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A decent chunk of the impetus behind developing the shadow sword spell is to create a sword that does share some of the properties of Branulhune, allowing us to pass down the style in some form.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Whether the Old Ones created the Geomantic Web is something I've always been a tad unclear on. 7th edition Lizardmen Amry Book suggests they built stuff based on where the Web was, but didn't construct the Web itself. But the Arcane FUlrcrums thing is definitely wrong. Arcane Fulcrums have no single creator. Some are remanants of lost civilizatons, some are created when a Storm of Magic rolls through. They're a complex topic.
There's a myth that says Hoeth grnated the Elves a bunch iof knowledge and Asuryan rebuked him, and then punished him by burning his library. Of course that's kind of irrelevant because the Elves have never had access to that library anyway.
That's kind of just how Dwarfs think of humans. He probably doesn't even consider himself as being racist, just candid, which I suspect he either ppreciates himself, or at least thinks Mathilde will, which is why he's doing it.
I don't believe we know whether Laurelorn's portion of the Network is linked to the rest. If it's not then improving the rest of the Network won;t fulfill their goals for the project at all, because they want to be able to use the Network to power magic.
The Asur of the Druchii would absolutley love to have the Crown, yes. Would make them very very grateful.
Doesn't it also take four hours to cast? Also not sure if a Wizard couldn't find a way to dispel the effects, as otherwise the Grey College would probably be making huge use of it.
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Really? I have this expert here from Eastern Stirland who is positively certain it's a great plan.
What is that reason anyway? It's been a while.
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What's this expert's name? Is it Human von Not-Carstein?Really? I have this expert here from Eastern Stirland who is positively certain it's a great plan.
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Yep. Totally not Daemons.
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Yes it is very difficult to cast and has a number of conditions behind it, including making sure the person who it's being cast on is not speaking for the duration of the casting time. The implication is that the secret would only be told to people who would accept to be placed under the ritual in question. Perhaps iit can be dispelled, but if so, then it would require a ritual of equal power and significance.
The reason the College likely isn't making huge use of it is because if it fails then it backfires and the caster is forced to carry out the oath they tried to place on someone. It's not something to be done lightly.
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Indeed, I'm a totally human scholar with deep knowledge. Putting two different Winds in your brain is is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be… unnatural. But it leads to Unlimited Power!
If you do it to a Daemon, it's Daemonology and an Abominable Act that makes you both Heretic and Traitor and means you are to be put to sword and fire immediately. If you do it to an undead Spirit, it's Necromancy and an Abominable Act that makes you both Heretic and Traitor and means you are to be put to sword and fire immediately. If you do it to an Apparition, it's technically totally legal, but that's a hard explanation to get out when the Witch Hunters are trying to put you to sword and fire immediately.
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deathofrats0808
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But the obvious use of it is to get all the College graduates to not serve Chaos or something similar, which is something they won't care about having backfire on them. They don't do this, so the logical assumption is there's some way of getting around it.
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Please don't say things like that. Special snowflake talk is very rude and almost exclusively used by people who like denying other peoples existence.
No, introduced himself as Manfred? Seems a bit overqualified for the position but who am I to turn down competent help.
Had personal reasons about being here, something about restoring his house? I wasn't really listening.
Yikes, we are probably better of sharing that with only a trusted group of individuals.
Last thing we need is witchhunters on our doorstep. Something tells me they wont just sit down and listen to a lecture on spirits, demons and apparitions.
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Or maybe it's just something the creators of the spell, out of universe, never bothered to consider, like the ritual about summoning a rain of blood being capable of summoning a rain of holy water, which means it could be used by the good guys to delete vampires.
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Wait why can it do that. Who has holy water for blood. Asking for a friend (who is my advisor from Eastern Stirland
).I do not think you want to be in a position where the people whose wind inclines them to blur boundaries are only loyal to you because they are so bound by magic. Even if they cannot break out by raw power they can sure as hell think around it. I cannot think of any wording of such a spell that would last long when faced with a resentful Grey Magister.
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I made a post about rituals a while ago. The one I'm talking about is Rain of Blood:Wait why can it do that. Who has holy water for blood. Asking for a friend (who is my advisor from Eastern Stirland
The only hiccup there is the spell is classified as "Necromancy".
Most servants of Chaos do not think they serve Chaos, but are using it or being served by it, and you cannot just say 'never use anything of Chaos' because that includes the Winds. Keep in mind the reason we first wanted the power behind the Hounds, we wanted something that you could smash into a spell that can make judgement calls as part of an enchantment. Absent that the spell that compels the mage not to serve chaos will have no judgement to use beside that of the mage himself... who is probably compromised if he does serve Chaos.
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Here's the exact wording if people want to pick apart the ritual for whatever reason:
"By casting this spell you compel one who has sworn an oath and broken it (or who intends to break it) to carry out the letter and spirit of the vow. It matters not whether the oath was made in jest, under compulsion, or while utterly blind on drink. If this ritual is successfully cast, the oath will be carried out or the one who spoke the oath will literally kill himself trying. The oath-taker can carry out his promise with intelligence and guile and postpone action to an opportune moment, if relevant. He need not rush out and challenge a superior rival he has vowed to kill to a duel in broad daylight, for example, but might instead choose to attack from ambush when his chances of success will be improved." Page 168 Realms of Sorcery
"By casting this spell you compel one who has sworn an oath and broken it (or who intends to break it) to carry out the letter and spirit of the vow. It matters not whether the oath was made in jest, under compulsion, or while utterly blind on drink. If this ritual is successfully cast, the oath will be carried out or the one who spoke the oath will literally kill himself trying. The oath-taker can carry out his promise with intelligence and guile and postpone action to an opportune moment, if relevant. He need not rush out and challenge a superior rival he has vowed to kill to a duel in broad daylight, for example, but might instead choose to attack from ambush when his chances of success will be improved." Page 168 Realms of Sorcery
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Yes, Mathilde can reveal the trick, once it is her trick.
I don't think we should, especially until we have a working spell that we can use to prove it won't drive us mad or something.
And even then i would rather run it through Algard and other Grey Lady/Lord Magisters before yelling it from rooftops.
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I think my main take away is that using magic to reinforce oaths does exist
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I should also mention that Inescapable Bindings of Duty is the ritual that Mathilde was referring to in this update:
It makes me wonder if we can cause it to fail and just get the holy water instead.
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1) That's a necromancy spell, so it can't be.
2) That's only possible if you fail the ritual. And because it makes it rain in a five mile radius, will freak out everyone in the area if you successfully cast it. So instead of having a useful ritual with consequences you don't mind, you've got a ritual you're deliberately trying to fail, which sounds about as safe as trying to deliberately induce a miscast.
3) Vampires aren't vulnerable to holy water
Here's the thing though, you don't need to force their loyalty. You can still use all the usual methods of inducing loyalty the order uses, which typically results in loyal magisters. Hell, you could even have them undergo the ritual and then wipe their memories of it. As long as the oath is relatively light they'd hopefully go their whole life without knowing about it.
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Yes, that's what I was saying. I'm sure it's an oversight that the creators left because they never expected the "good guys" to cast a spell from Night's Dark Masters, the book on Vampires and Necromancy.
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Personally, i would rather not rely on a binding ritual to keep people we want to work with from telling other people about what we are working on.
Mainly because i feel that this will have negative effect on workplace atmosphere and probably reduces productivity.
Also i am paranoid that they figure out a way out of the said bindings and then try to shank us on principle.
Mainly because i feel that this will have negative effect on workplace atmosphere and probably reduces productivity.
Also i am paranoid that they figure out a way out of the said bindings and then try to shank us on principle.
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If so, then why would Ranald give Heidi holy water when facing a vampire?