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I'd see it as an extension of her philosophy of positioning yourself well. If you could have an ally and co-conspirator placed close by in a position of power- instead of someone you've got little leverage over- why wouldn't you?
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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In fairness, we're only giving Mathilde's opinion.
Which she'll probably listen to, but I could imagine that Mathilde going with, say, Sigmar would have Heidi possibly not following it.
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It's not just Mathilde. If you pay attention to Heidi's monologue, she seems inclined towards Wizarding. She doesn't suggest sealing or hiding as a Priest of Ranald. She suggests the idea of a Wizard Prince and then asks for advice:
I see absolutely no way in which Heidi does a sudden 180 and decides to refuse to follow Mathilde's suggestion when she's suggesting it herself.
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...Okay, totally unrelated to the current topic, but on my reread a thought popped into my head...
...I wonder how people would react to a "Cultural Analysis Of Skaven Romance Novels" paper.
...I wonder how people would react to a "Cultural Analysis Of Skaven Romance Novels" paper.
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Its not? Leaving an enemy state in worse shape than he left it is a net bonus. You seem to think "worse" means bad. Is it bad for you if your enemy has worse weapon than you do?
As I said, it's not the continuation of the AV research, but it is something. I think this is somewhat analogous to our attempt to use AV with Runes. In that case it was the dice and not the voters that decided we'll stop the research, but we didn't leave empty handed. Recharging Anvils of Doom isn't the exciting Runesmith-Wizard collaboration that we might have got had Kragg decided to play with the AV, but it isn't nothing either. Mostly I'm trying to say that I don't think it's fair to say that AV research was all setup and no payoff. There definitely was payoff, even if not quite what we hoped for.
But of course, that's easy for me to say, I love this shit. I imagine that if we somehow voted to sacrifice the Father for apparition binding or something then the fact that Mathilde now has some cool Red Riders would be rather cold comfort.
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Page 115 of Tome of Salvation discusses disagreements between cults. This is Ranald, Verena and Sigmar:
"The disagreements between Ranald, on the one hand, and Sigmar and Verena, on the other, are basic. Ranald believes in freedom, larceny, risk-taking, and conning the gullible. Verena feels these actions are unjust, while Sigmar takes a dim view of anyone who breaks the established rules. Most of the time, the authorities try to arrest Ranald's cultists and treat them as common criminals, while Ranald's followers seek to embarrass the powers that be."
What this doesn't tell you is that Verena focuses on the spirit of the law and justice. Sigmar focuses on order, status quo, and the letter of the law. There are times in which Verenans disagree with Sigmarites and Verenans and Ranaldites work together. Sigmar is Law and Order, and as such he has many disagreements with Ranald.
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If it's a Book of Nagash we'd have bigger issues than any old vampire. That would mean Arkhan the Black is due a visit eventually.
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At times like this, I think its best to turn to the thread's tags for guidance... "Try it and find out."
Nah, we would just hand the thing to the High King secure in the knowledge that no wannabe tomb king can break into Karaz a Karak.
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Wannabe? He's been fighting the Tomb Kings for centuries and winning. Settra would rather hire him than subjugate him. I'm not saying he can break into Karaz A Karak, but he's far above whatever brush you're painting him with.
Eh.... I was less talking about his power and more about the fact that he is not a proper king, Nagash hired him as a thug to do his dirty work who later became a Liche Priest, then a traitor and necromancer.
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It is not actually gold though, it is books, which are far lighter and most of the books in there can travel by land fine because no vampire if going to risk fighting dwarfs over Vlad's collection of Nehekaran smut or the like.
I don't see how either we or they can know which books are valuable and which are chaff without reading through the entire library end to end.
So we have to transport it all somewhere safe to do the sorting, and they have no idea which books are in which caravans.
The vampires will have laid spells of protection over what they will consider most valuable and that will be visible to mage sight
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He doesn't have to. And Kragg has no mage sight. They could just have easily (as I suspect they did) called Gunnars in for his suprior knowledge of gods, rather than his ability to see souls, which I don't think he possesses.
I'd be surprised if there's not a garrison in place at Drakenhof. It's the first place a potential Vampire Count would seek to reclaim.
Also "Do what Settra says". Mostly because disobeying Settra ends with him obliterating you.
Less useful in Warhammer, when everyone has a hundred legitimate reasons to be preparing for war.
The Eye doesn't actually prevent a force from taking K8P. Makes it ahrder, sure, but there are tunnels connecting every mountain, and the gates.
Books are heavy. Arguably more importantly, they're large. When Mathidle went after Alkharad the gyrocarriage just about carried a dozen dwarfs, her and the administrative papers of Teufelheim. I highly doubt that the von Carstein library contains less books, and if Mathilde has time to sort out which books contain lore that can't be allowed out (and it's entirely possible that most of them will) then she'll be around long enough to work out what she's doing.
True, but Mathilde has now raised the possibility, so she might think on it more. Or she could ask the advice of other people. The obvious two being Ranald and Luitpold.
Settra doesn't hire him. Settra's enemies do, and then Settra goes and forces him to pinkie swear he won't do it again. It takes ages and is massively difficult, so you're not wrong that Arkhan is exceedingly competent, but Settra doesn't hire him, he just doesn't have the time and attention to spare to kill him forever.
Even assuming they've done this "valuable" and "needs to be secured" are not the same thing. Especially because two radically different viewpoints are involved. For all we know, Vlad protected every one of his journals and Isabella's favourite fiction series, but let "Raising the Undead 101" be destroyed because he knew it already.
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Uh. Does that even matter? Tomb Kings are a bunch of people ruling a dead kingdom based on noble blood they don't even have anymore, on account of their lack of blood. He doesn't even care about being called a Tomb King. There is only one thing he cares about, and that is Nagash.
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He's the first dead boss.
And an Amethyst who eradicated a hostile encampment could transform Imperial settlements into ghost towns without leaving witnesses. Scary, yes. But not problematic like the other examples.
I am going off of the assumption that a) there's more vaults that remained intact underground than the library b) Mathilde currently doesn't even know that the library is underground and thus might find aboveground valuables, especially if they are made of dense metal and can thus survive a roof falling on them and c) involving Dwarves will result in Dwarven levels of thoroughness and Drakenhof will be "mined out" until either the vein has run dry or hostile forces necessitate a retreat.It is not actually gold though, it is books, which are far lighter and most of the books in there can travel by land fine because no vampire if going to risk fighting dwarfs over Vlad's collection of Nehekaran smut or the like.
Also we literally had to leave books behind after killing Alleycamper.
As for Vampires not daring to attack Dwarves over paper, they might not dare to come in person, but their minions are cheap and hard to trace back to them as individuals.
We don't know the personal history of our senior peers. And in the case of Algard, well, he got promoted to the top. So either he's on the up and up or the whole organization is collectively as suspect as he is and the only ones who can worry about it (for all the good it will do them) are Dragomas and the other six Parenarchs and Luitpold and his Council.
You're right about Kurtis of course. But it very much seems like Algard, and thus the Grey Order as an institution, has decided to secretly undermine government policy and gave Kurtis some amount of tacit approval. But yes, I'm pretty sure that if there's an opportunity to massively aid or empower the Hedgewise in a way that's a net negative to Imperial institutions that Algard will do his best to keep Kurtis away. Or Algard happens to himself not care all to much about the specific institutions standing to lose and thus either turns a blind eye or even co-conspires with Kurtis.
In general all this speculation on my part is equating "the Grey Order" with Algard, his Council and any Grey Magister involved enough that Algard has to care about their opinion for his own sake. If Algard wants to see certain rules broken and none of his staff stand in his way then of course Mathilde or anyone else in the Grey Order can go right ahead and break them. I was just assuming that he is pro-Empire. Maybe Grey LMs subtly enriching themselves in ways that the muggles don't care about and also amassing questionable magical power "just in case" (of the Empire deciding they don't want them around anymore) is exactly what he wants. Maybe his highest priority, other than the survival of the Empire as a pro-Order nation, is to noticeably increase the political power of Wizards, just like Mathilde hopes to see through Prince Mandred.
Mathilde's work for the Dawi is great and all, but it might be a sign that she pretty much defected to them Luckily the Dawi have been allies since longer than the Empire has been allied to itself and Mathilde still continues to happily share all her research with the Empire. Hell, even from Mathilde's perspective, we've had both in story musings and multiple player statements that amount to Mathilde probably taking Belegar's side over that of any Emperor or Imperial institution "stupid enough" to want to harm Dwarves. So any fears about her in this direction wouldn't even be off base.
I was just finding it incongruous when all other Grey LMs are presented in a negative light in that post, his seems like a positive trait. Like, if we want to put it even more negatively:
- Puts physics at risk without remorse.
- Traitor.
- Liability.
- Blasphemous thief.
- Really fucked up evil distant enemies in a way he may have the ability to repeat elsewhere.
- Most probably hoards or used to hoard dark magic.
Kragg has a very powerful version of the "I feel how I repel magic" style mage-sight. Gunnars could look at Mathilde and see that there was no more danger whatsoever coming from Mork (or some other entity) through her. Granted, maybe he did just look at her shadow and use his knowledge of how Arcane Marks work. But it seemed like he did more than that.
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Realistically anything in Drakenhof would be Mannfred's more than Vlad's, as he was the last big Von Carstein and would have already raided anything Vlad left behind.
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He does, but I don;t think that that style of Windsight allows Kragg to see emotions, much less souls. Mathilde can't even see souls and she has a much better version of mage sight, that's way more intuitive.
I don't think Gunnars even looked at anything. He made his judgement based on the facts of the situation, saying it would have been impossible to replace her, that the situation hadn't led to a possession. He then used the shadow as proof her soul was still her soul, but I don't think that was what his judgement was based on.
True, technically, but he'd have probably left most of it in the library. And it's unlikely he would have removed protections that were in place, simply because it's effort for no real gain. That's the beauty of libraries, they don't need a single person to gather them, they grow and then get passed down and continue growing, rather than everyone needing to start from scratch.
Also, Vlad had a much much longer time to collect books. He ruled Sylvania for ten times as long as Mannfred, and mostly during peacetime.
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I feel like you are giving far more importance to my off the cuff insult to the villain in question than it merits. That was like calling Throt the Unclean malodorous, it does not mean I think he would damage his troops with his stink.
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Maybe I just read too much into the following line:
My interpretation was that someone like Gunnars can sus out suspect souls by looking at people. And that he isn't even unique like that, given how Kragg thought him "too young" for the job at hand.
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If I were to insult Arkhan, I think a far more fitting insult would be to trash him for the fact that he's called Arkhan the Black because his teeth are black. Yes, he chewed tobacco or something that made his teeth black and that's what gave him the title. Apparently it's a novel thing.
Probably the lamest backstory for a name I've ever heard of.
Probably the lamest backstory for a name I've ever heard of.