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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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picklepikkl said:
Unless someone throws out some new argument or reminds me of something important I'm missing, I think Backfill is our best bet along with an out-of-pocket purchase of some Bretonnian books. Spirits are interesting, but there's nothing we, specifically, can do with them at the moment, so it would just be for flavor.

Nothing comes to mind for dwarf or college purchases, either.
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I think we should buy books on Kislev and the Empire. Two of the magical traditions involved in the Waystone project come from Kislev and two from the Empire - maybe more from the Empire if we recruit more next turn (which the books would help with). Improving our diplomatic ability with them would be wise. At the least we can buy Bretonnian books on them, which Backfill can't get us.

EDIT: I mean this as an out of pocket purchase.
 
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Andres said:
I think we should buy books on Kislev and the Empire. Two of the magical traditions involved in the Waystone project come from Kislev and two from the Empire - maybe more from the Empire if we recruit more next turn (which the books would help with). Improving our diplomatic ability with them would be wise. At the least we can buy Bretonnian books on them, which Backfill can't get us.

EDIT: I mean this as an out of pocket purchase.
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We already have those. We can still add to it by rounding out the Imperial/Dwarven bonus with Backfill, or supplementing them with Eonir or Bretonnian books, but there's already a foundation.
 
StormySky said:
We already have those. We can still add to it by rounding out the Imperial/Dwarven bonus with Backfill, or supplementing them with Eonir or Bretonnian books, but there's already a foundation.
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I am very aware of what books we have and don't have. I was suggesting we get more books on them than we already have. Backfill could conceivably get us the last Empire/Dwarf books on them, but it's no guarantee.
 
Are we discussing what to purchase next turn?

I would like to return to an option that was, I think, discussed here a long time ago - asking Colleges to make an item that can give some sort of visual Magesight to those that don't have it. Thorek might need it to study Waystones, and it's quite possible that ancient Dwarven Runelords used something like that when cooperating with Elves to make them in the first place.

Not to mention that it could be a nice gift to Kragg, who is probably banging his head against the unsolvable problem that is Bok.
 
I could perhaps imagine Kragg eventually, grudgingly, using a Zhuf device Mathilde had made herself, and can personally attest to.

But Kragg? Stick something made by a random Umgi Zhufokri on his face? I'm not convinced he'd ever decide it was worth risking.
 
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Mathilde's Windsight is demonstrably trustworthy, as are her enchantments (she was involved in every part of the Eye, as I recall). Vlag and Eight Peaks can attest to that. Another Wizard's… not so much.

Edit: although, on the subject of the seviroscope, I wonder if what we learned from Johann's arm might help with that? It connects to his nerves without sending Hysh to his brain IIRC, after all.
 
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Sevieriscope is EXACTLY the sort of thing WEB-MAT was created to create. I want to put Egrimm on it, since he's reputed to be a genius at this stuff, and it's a challenge worthy of him.

To put it another way, a sevieriscope is something the imperial guard would love to have, to examine people before they entered the emperor's presence. Especially if the emperor is meeting people he doesn't want wizards or priests knowing about.

Dragonofelder said:
I'm tempted to do a MAGDA WESSEN book set in Cathay. Because I can.

It would include Kaiju.
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I am very much in favor of this. You've done fun stuff so far, Ganbatte!
 
Ericwinter said:
…See, now I almost want our next arc after the Waystones to be visiting Cathay. That would be a good place to figure an Ulgu dragon transformation out.
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Only Ghur can turn into dragons. The only kind of transformation the other winds can do is Incarnates. Cathay is a good place to learn how to transform into a human, though I imagine that'd be of limited usefulness to Mathilde.
 
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Ericwinter said:
…See, now I almost want our next arc after the Waystones to be visiting Cathay. That would be a good place to figure an Ulgu dragon transformation out.
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Historically Cathay has been off-limits in DL on account of there not being any worldbuilding and Boney understandably not wanting to have to create a whole society from scratch.

That might hypothetically change if there's enough useful (and good quality) content between TW3 and Old World (which IIRC is going to touch on Cathay), but as of now no such policy change has been made and it may never end up being made.
 
IronFist said:
That one probably uses Ghur too
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I do not think it uses Ghur. Skaven may have fur, but they are in no way wild, outside of the lies the Empire tells of them about 'rat bestmen'. I think it is pure Dhar or near enough as makes no difference. These are the people who use warpstone for drugs and money. If I had to guess at some other wind that may be involved I would say some kind of twisted Ghyan.
 
DragonParadox said:
I do not think it uses Ghur. Skaven may have fur, but they are in no way wild, outside of the lies the Empire tells of them about 'rat bestmen'. I think it is pure Dhar or near enough as makes no difference. These are the people who use warpstone for drugs and money. If I had to guess at some other wind that may be involved I would say some kind of twisted Ghyan.
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Ghur in wfrp has a spell called form of the humble rat.
And another spell which turns the Caster into a beast-human hybrid.

You don't even need dhar to change into a beastman.

Dhar + Ghur = a mockery of a beast that should be wild and free, but walks and talks like a man.

Ghyran can do some stuff to domestic fauna (probably) but skaven being made with a mockery of beasts fits better.
In the same vein as undead being a mockery of death
 
I just thought of something (or maybe I'm far from the first, it's probable). During the War of the Beard, an entire dwarvish army disappeared in Laurelorn. Which means there's still a army's worth of artefacts from the dwarvish Golden Age somewhere in the forest. Would it be possible to make enquiries about what happened to those? It would be a major diplomatic asset to Laurelorn if they gave some back to the Karaz Ankor.
 
Andres said:
Only Ghur can turn into dragons. The only kind of transformation the other winds can do is Incarnates. Cathay is a good place to learn how to transform into a human, though I imagine that'd be of limited usefulness to Mathilde.
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Maybe we could use Ulgu to create a... illusion, of a dragon? Not actually turning into one, but making the body around us?

Alliterate said:
MAGDA WESSEN and the SHADOW DRAGON (transformation).
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See, I wanted to do a romance with the Dragon children, but now I'm tempted to do a "lost child" story.
 
K von Carstein said:
I just thought of something (or maybe I'm far from the first, it's probable). During the War of the Beard, an entire dwarvish army disappeared in Laurelorn. Which means there's still a army's worth of artefacts from the dwarvish Golden Age somewhere in the forest. Would it be possible to make enquiries about what happened to those? It would be a major diplomatic asset to Laurelorn if they gave some back to the Karaz Ankor.
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I faintly recall asking about it when we first found out about it, but I cannot recall what the answer was. At a guess I would say the armor was lost with the army if it was Grey Lord nonsense. They could have gotten lost Impossible March of the Damned style
 
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