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If you want to get into technicalities with Nagash and try to challenge him to make a Burrito from nothing, I can guarantee you he'll come back next week having discovered the Burrito dimension. Either that or he just kills you for wasting his time.
 
If you want to get into technicalities with Nagash and try to challenge him to make a Burrito from nothing, I can guarantee you he'll come back next week having discovered the Burrito dimension. Either that or he just kills you for wasting his time.
I suspect he would forge a burrito from the enslaved soul of the questioning person, because that's how he solves all his problems.
 
If you want to get into technicalities with Nagash and try to challenge him to make a Burrito from nothing, I can guarantee you he'll come back next week having discovered the Burrito dimension. Either that or he just kills you for wasting his time.
Or maybe the power of friendship burrito mellows him out, and he applies to join WEBMAT for the research :V

Mathilde: we're ascertaining Nagash's suitability to join the colleges of Magic.
 
Reeling things in from the matter of...
*glances above*
Nagash's underwear apparently :V

What do you guys think we should do with the Library action now that we had a chat with the dryad expert and found out that yes that strange shadow spirit we killed is almost certainly not dead?

I mean on the one hand it might be helpful to know that it was Drycha, but I do not see that being in any book in Laurelorn. Drycha the Fluffy would not have done this and that is the only Drycha they know.

With that in mind I think we might as well bite the bullet and backfill, that will give us more books in bulk to tempt people with and who knows we might even get some use out of those books eventually. We do poke a lot of strange places, it's not like before this turn we would have guessed that we would need chaos mutant lore for old Alberich.

Alternatively we can get some more lore on the lady and Bretonia... but given that we do not even have access to the whole collection but only up to a +3 I think we might just want to spring for it out of our cash. We can spared the 300 gold. After all we make 200 per turn.
 
I mean on the one hand it might be helpful to know that it was Drycha, but I do not see that being in any book in Laurelorn. Drycha the Fluffy would not have done this and that is the only Drycha they know.

We're talking about the same Drycha right? Like, I didn't miss some characterization change buried in the quest right? Drycha, as in "Follower of Coeddil, Ms. 'Kill anything that isn't the tree spirits'"

I thought every group of Asrai outside of the Wargrove of Woe were well aware that she's nutso and should not be considered for friendship
 
We're talking about the same Drycha right? Like, I didn't miss some characterization change buried in the quest right? Drycha, as in "Follower of Coeddil, Ms. 'Kill anything that isn't the tree spirits'"

I thought every group of Asrai outside of the Wargrove of Woe were well aware that she's nutso and should not be considered for friendship

Not during the quest, way before it. She was once a friend of the Asrai and in this case 'once' means during the golden age, at the time when the Eonir, or those who would become them, would know her.
 
What do you guys think we should do with the Library action now that we had a chat with the dryad expert and found out that yes that strange shadow spirit we killed is almost certainly not dead?

I mean on the one hand it might be helpful to know that it was Drycha, but I do not see that being in any book in Laurelorn. Drycha the Fluffy would not have done this and that is the only Drycha they know.

With that in mind I think we might as well bite the bullet and backfill, that will give us more books in bulk to tempt people with and who knows we might even get some use out of those books eventually. We do poke a lot of strange places, it's not like before this turn we would have guessed that we would need chaos mutant lore for old Alberich.

Alternatively we can get some more lore on the lady and Bretonia... but given that we do not even have access to the whole collection but only up to a +3 I think we might just want to spring for it out of our cash. We can spared the 300 gold. After all we make 200 per turn.
Unless someone throws out some new argument or reminds me of something important I'm missing, I think Backfill is our best bet along with an out-of-pocket purchase of some Bretonnian books. Spirits are interesting, but there's nothing we, specifically, can do with them at the moment, so it would just be for flavor.

Nothing comes to mind for dwarf or college purchases, either.
We're talking about the same Drycha right? Like, I didn't miss some characterization change buried in the quest right? Drycha, as in "Follower of Coeddil, Ms. 'Kill anything that isn't the tree spirits'"

I thought every group of Asrai outside of the Wargrove of Woe were well aware that she's nutso and should not be considered for friendship
If it was Drycha the Kind, befriender of Elves and defender of the innocent, then she must have had a good reason for what she was doing.

(Reminder: The last time Athel Loren and Laurelorn were in regular contact was over four thousand years ago. They might not be super up to date on the latest gossip.)
When Dragomas got to Cathay, he probably left Dieter IV out of his descriptions of the Empire. Similarly, any adventurous wanderers that have made it all the way to Laurelorn have thus far failed to spill the tea on the very worst and most shameful fuck-ups in Athel Loren's governance.
Any contact between Laurelorn and Athel Loren has not included her identity.
 
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Reeling things in from the matter of...
*glances above*
Nagash's underwear apparently :V

What do you guys think we should do with the Library action now that we had a chat with the dryad expert and found out that yes that strange shadow spirit we killed is almost certainly not dead?

I mean on the one hand it might be helpful to know that it was Drycha, but I do not see that being in any book in Laurelorn. Drycha the Fluffy would not have done this and that is the only Drycha they know.

With that in mind I think we might as well bite the bullet and backfill, that will give us more books in bulk to tempt people with and who knows we might even get some use out of those books eventually. We do poke a lot of strange places, it's not like before this turn we would have guessed that we would need chaos mutant lore for old Alberich.

Alternatively we can get some more lore on the lady and Bretonia... but given that we do not even have access to the whole collection but only up to a +3 I think we might just want to spring for it out of our cash. We can spared the 300 gold. After all we make 200 per turn.
There's been a short library discussion 25 pages ago, starting here. I agree about backfill and buying Bretonnian books out of pocket, but a small correction: we can get Bretonnian books up to Extensive (+2), so books on The Lady and on Bretonnia will only cost us 200 gold. However, I also want us to get Bretonnian books on Shallya (Bretonnian books on Ranald we already have) so it ends up being 300 gold anyway.
 
Eh... I am not sure if books on Shaylla would be worth it, I mean we would then hope to find a connection with the Lady right? But it we happen to be right this is a secret of great and so long pasting that we had to get a hint from a god to get in the trail. I do not think we will find it in such a roundabout way in basic books. For that matter I do not expect books on the Lady to really give us any answers on their own, I mostly want them so we do not stick our foot in your mouth when talking to the Damsels. When it comes to Daughter or not we either guessed well or we do not and it will be easy to judge once we have the coin online.
 
I like the idea of getting more stuff on Shallya because it's been revealed that she's actually Ranald's partner and they've had children, so it's not just Mathilde's wishful thinking that they're together. I wouldn't mind getting to know her more intimately.
 
I like the idea of getting more stuff on Shallya because it's been revealed that she's actually Ranald's partner and they've had children, so it's not just Mathilde's wishful thinking that they're together. I wouldn't mind getting to know her more intimately.
It might also be good for if Eike is to be Mathilde's apprentice, given she apparently was inclined to Shallya before becoming a wizard.
 
Eh... I am not sure if books on Shaylla would be worth it, I mean we would then hope to find a connection with the Lady right? But it we happen to be right this is a secret of great and so long pasting that we had to get a hint from a god to get in the trail. I do not think we will find it in such a roundabout way in basic books. For that matter I do not expect books on the Lady to really give us any answers on their own, I mostly want them so we do not stick our foot in your mouth when talking to the Damsels. When it comes to Daughter or not we either guessed well or we do not and it will be easy to judge once we have the coin online.
There isn't going to be a passage in books on Shallya saying "btw The Lady is my daughter", obviously. But through those books we can see what the quest canonical Lady is like, what place Shallya's worship in Bretonnia has, stuff like that. Large parts of the argument I made for The Lady depends on stuff which may or may not be quest canon, and it's better to be sure that all that stuff actually applies to this story.

To get an idea of the kind of things I'm hoping for, this is what we got out our Bretonnian books on Ranald:
Mainstream Bretonnian society sees Ranald as the God of Unchivalrous Victory. With the Lady having a local monopoly on protection, that leaves Ranald as the God of luck, trickery, and sneakiness, all of which are unworthy ways to achieve an objective. Some writers deign to consider that He might be needed in other lands where the local peasantry don't have the Lady and Her chivalrous knights to protect the weak, but it's generally seen that He has no place in Bretonnia as long as the Knights of the Lady fulfil their duties.

That said, there is a curious complete lack of anyone formally connecting the dots with the Herrimaults, a gang of Robin Hood knockoffs who are incredibly thematically Ranaldian.
Note the "maybe Ranald is fine, he just doesn't have a place here" attitude which fits the explanation offered by @Candesce for why The Lady doesn't want Ranald in Bretonnia, and the curious case of Bretonnian society not noticing (or pretending not to notice - no one formally connecting the dots, huh?) the obvious Ranaldites in their midst. Stuff like this isn't proof, but if more of that sort of thing show up in books on Shallya and The Lady then the case for The Lady becomes much stronger.
 
There isn't going to be a passage in books on Shallya saying "btw The Lady is my daughter", obviously. But through those books we can see what the quest canonical Lady is like, what place Shallya's worship in Bretonnia has, stuff like that. Large parts of the argument I made for The Lady depends on stuff which may or may not be quest canon, and it's better to be sure that all that stuff actually applies to this story.

To get an idea of the kind of things I'm hoping for, this is what we got out our Bretonnian books on Ranald:

Note the "maybe Ranald is fine, he just doesn't have a place here" attitude which fits the explanation offered by @Candesce for why The Lady doesn't want Ranald in Bretonnia, and the curious case of Bretonnian society not noticing (or pretending not to notice - no one formally connecting the dots, huh?) the obvious Ranaldites in their midst. Stuff like this isn't proof, but if more of that sort of thing show up in books on Shallya and The Lady then the case for The Lady becomes much stronger.
I agree with all this, and also like @LancyIain's point about Eike. Bretonnia is the center of Shallyan worship, so books about Shallya from Bretonnia are worth getting anyway.
Karak Vlag fire spire stuff.
Not available in the purchase round until we use our Library half-action to open access with them.
 
Library Purchases:
[ ] [LIBRARY] Colleges of Magic: name four magical, non-divine topics to acquire all available Empire books on.
[ ] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr booksellers: name three public topics to acquire all available Empire and Dwarven books on.
[ ] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
[ ] [LIBRARY] Back-fill.
Instead of seeking books on specific topics, fill in some of the sections of your existing library where you have some of the available books from the Empire and the Dwarves on a subject, but not all. Will acquire more books total than other options, but cannot be directed.

So, if I understand this right, if we pick backlog we get Four topics, (the above plus Halfling library) and those topic get filled up to the max possible with current restrictions.

But the down side being no new information , what gets updated is picked by dice role, and if the topic is almost full, that just tough luck. (But 'full' topics won't me possible picks until we get new sources.)

Is that right? Just making sure what's on the table: it's not quite as large is '1/3 of ever topic.'
 
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So, if I understand this right, if we pick backlog we get Four topics, (the above plus Halfling library) and those topic get filled up to the max possible with current restrictions.

But the down side being no new information , what gets updated is picked by dice role, and if the topic is almost full, that just tough luck. (But 'full' topics won't me possible picks until we get new sources.)

Is that right? Just making sure what's on the table: it's not quite as large is '1/3 of ever topic.'
Boney never said how many topics Backfill covers. My guess is that it's random but large -- maybe six to eight of our existing incomplete topics? We won't find out until we try it.

He does say "more books total than other options," which would imply >1500gc worth of books (Barak Varr booksellers being the largest potential gain of books, at 500gc of value per topic and three topics).
 
Boney never said how many topics Backfill covers. My guess is that it's random but large -- maybe six to eight of our existing incomplete topics? We won't find out until we try it.

He does say "more books total than other options," which would imply >1500gc worth of books (Barak Varr booksellers being the largest potential gain of books, at 500gc of value per topic and three topics).
I see, I do wonder if Boney will go though the effort of making what topics get picked random(dice roll) or will they just make life easier for themselves by just going down the list until the budget runs out.

Both can make sense in story, Mathy grabbing what's there versus going in with a plan.
 
I see, I do wonder if Boney will go though the effort of making what topics get picked random(dice roll) or will they just make life easier for themselves by just going down the list until the budget runs out.

Both can make sense in story, Mathy grabbing what's there versus going in with a plan.
He definitely won't go down the list because that would be too game-able by us and would also feel plain weird. Rolling for it would be the least of the effort anyway. Writing something interesting about it each time would be the harder part, but that's true wether he uses a list or fresh rolls.

The flavor behind it is that Mathy is not grabbing anything with a plan or priority. If she were then we'd be doing the Barak Varr bookseller option. Because Backfill uses exactly the same source for books. The difference is that instead of telling them "these are the three topics I'm interested in" we tell them "here's a giant list and I want anything on this list that you can get on short notice, the more the better". Or at least that's how I understood it.
 
I seemed to recall he died under the body of the Theogonist being impaled on the same iron spike. I think he is chained up and starving but not ash because the Cult does not know if there is any part of him out of their control. If they turn what they have to ash than any Vlad Ash that is in the wilds of Silvania might be as good a place to grow a new Vlad.
I think it's more likely they've got his skeleton. Keeping hsi body intact is just asking for trouble.
 
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