I feel a little awkward giving a short answer to a post that large, but it should be noted that if we are going to turn the coin to the Father then it makes sense to maximize actions that might benefit from it. In that sense even a weak case for one of the Daughters is better than no case so if we do turn it to the Father and do not Gamble on foundations (or if we simply do it later) it would make sense to use it on both Haletha and the Lady as well as Timonel.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I feel a little awkward giving a short answer to a post that large, but it should be noted that if we are going to turn the coin to the Father then it makes sense to maximize actions that might benefit from it. In that sense even a weak case for one of the Daughters is better than no case so if we do turn it to the Father and do not Gamble on foundations (or if we simply do it later) it would make sense to use it on both Haletha and the Lady as well as Timonel.
Boat terms are funny to look at, especially so densely.
Boney made this joke for the thousand people in existence who would laugh. I was not one of them.
So was there no way to permakill her? What does this mean if we countered her teleportation? Were her only fates incapacitation and capture?
Remember when the thread was commenting on Mathilde's Dragon/Power attraction? I think there's just something about plants that do it for her.
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It follows that a Dryad can be permakilled by either killing them where there is no Dreaming Wood, or following them into it and destroying their spirit with something that can damage a spirit, such as a magical weapon or a spell.
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To be clear, I'm not saying "absolutely don't go for Damsels right now". I want us to get some relevant books in the coming purchase turn, and if they seem promising I'm all for it.
If you don't mind me asking, do you consider the case for The Lady to be weak?
Ericwinter
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We did have that chance, didn't we.
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Probably evil, unfortunately.
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We had the option to go for it, but considering we've never so much as been inside a dreaming wood I don't think it would have ended well for us. Even accounting for Drycha's injury and her being in hostile territory.
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The quality isn't the best but a while back I made a post collating all relevant maps:
I was sick and tired of having to constantly surf through dozens of sources to look at the metric ton of different maps as references in Warhammer, so I decided to compile them all in one place. Hope it benefits you guys as well to get some visualisation. A reminder that these maps are not officially approved unless Boney says so.
While I'm trying to post some of the more recent, updated and relevant maps, there's a bunch of stuff that changes with different iterations of the map and so many inconsistencies to sift through, it's a real headache. The Sylvania maps in particular shouldn't be taken at face value. That being said, there's tons of useful information if you know what to look for. Brace for a lot of Spoiler bars:
The following are fanmade maps that Boney uses from a website called Winds of Chaos:
Click the following quote for Thread Canonical Maps made and approved by Boney:
I didn't know there was a 20 image limit to SV posts until I made this post.
and in the process I managed to get a more expanded World Roots map that I took for myself:
I consider it to be one of the better cases, because she would be useful is true. A good case for a Goddess we do not know about and has few followers would be worth less in my calculus than a weaker case for someone who would be really good to have on board like the Lady. I absolutely think the case is weaker than for Haletha, but weak... eh. The simple fact of her disliking her father is the sticking point, but it should be noted that the coin is not a tool for divine diplomacy, it is a tool for making servants of the Daughters trust us. We should not forget that Ranald is both a Major God as shown with Vlag and more than a bit amoral in getting his way. The conversation could go
Mathilde:*turns coin to Father*
Damsel (if servant of Daughter): I suddenly find this Grey Wizard trustworthy
The Grey Order may be able to beat out the Deceiver, because that is their shtick, but as far as we know reisstance to divine persuasion is not as much in the wheelhouse of the Dansels.
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pucflek
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Interesting bit of lore about the Treemen. I suppose trying to do so changes them in more ways than just gaining a mortal body? Treemen temperament is actually directly contrasted to Dryads, because they appear to actually be closer to folklore benevolent forest spirit, one that cherishes even creatures of flesh, so long as they are not harmful. Whereas dryads seem to be much more meanspirited
I suppose being more likely to be hurt would change one's outlook but that seems like a pretty marked change.
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This could potentially be the seed of a solution to the current conflict with Nordland. A new trade link between the Karaz Ankor and Laurelorn going through Nordland might be lucrative enough for the province to realign their priorities, rather than continuing to act belligerent. Especially with the Dwarven canals opening up soon, Nordland has an opportunity to use its naval assets to get a slice of the pie.
IIRC, the only clear land route to Laurelorn is through Salzenmund? Going through Middenland requires passing through the Schadensumpf swamp or something. And sailing up the Schaukel goes through Nordland too.
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That's correct.
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Another thing that only just occured to me is that Niedzwenka referred to Ancient Widow as their mistress. Considering how the Hag Witches are presented as drawing strenght from her as well, i wonder if there is major change in canon or if its simply reinterpretation, in that Hag Witches draw on her but don't feel actually beholden to her.
It may be that they respect her as the Spirit of the Land, but do not worship her.
Ah, I have to disagree there. The reason that this issue is, in fact, an issue is that the effect of the coin is:
The daughters themselves find Mathilde worthy of trust and faith. Perhaps Ranald can bend the minds of the followers of his daughters (and what an unsettling image that is) but the daughters themselves? Fellow Gods? If parent Gods had the ability to influence their children that way I don't think Ellinill would have needed to murder his children.
I did offer some possible explanations, and I do believe what little we have in the text of the quest on Bretonnia - both that one conversation and scattered WoGs by Boney - supports the second one, that The Lady is actually chill with Ranald and it is all just a prank, bro. That's why I want to get us some books, to get a better grasp of the quest-canonical Lady and her attitudes towards some stuff. It's because we have Bretonnian books on Ranald that we know about the Herrimaults and the curious lack of anyone making a connection between them and Ranald, books on The Lady and on Shallya might find similar things that make this theory more or less plausible.
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Mopman43
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Hmm, if you didn't want to take a boat from Barak Varr, the best way would probably through Salkalten. Or maybe Erengrad to take advantage of closer river links?
Fair enough on the description, though it should be noted that Ranald is totally fine with bending the mind of the servants of the Daughters and anyone else we might aim the coin at. That is what the Deceiver and the Protestor do and there are no exceptions. Hell we have no reason to believe they would not work on other Ranaldities.
Well…. At least we found who would be the most willing to be the stick to Mathy's carrot, if nothing else.
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Niedzwenka seems ready to get shit done.
Thoughts on sending the remains to Karak Norn to be loaded in a trebuchet with a "Hey you forgot this" note?Ok so it looks like we have a good old fashioned nemesis, fun times.
I wouldn't want to test The Deceiver on other Ranaldites. When Mathilde used The Night Prowler to aid her in killing some necromancers she was slightly worried she might be commiting sacrilege:
Now in that case she was obviously well within the limits of Ranald's strictures, but in general I wouldn't count on a divine artifact working when used to act against the God's principles, and one of Ranald's stricutres is that there is honour among Ranaldites. So I suspect that if we ever try using it to somehow harm a fellow Ranaldite (who we know to be one) we'll have a bad time.
Particularly as we have no reason to think the territory in question would not have been just as hostile to Mathilde.
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Technically, the literal translation would be just "witch" - or any word for female mage. It's etymology seems to be lost so the meaning stops there. The "Ved'ma" word for ice witches is more interesting in literal translation department, since the root of the word is "knowledge" - that is, ved'ma is she-who-is-knowledgeable. This is a pretty common origin for a word that means magic user - Shaman is the same afaik (Tungus root), as is Wizard (English root, wisdom isn't quite the same is knowledge but close enough).
Hag/Ice are probably just descriptors so both could be called witches.
(Ofc I'm talking about translations from Russian to English, it's quite possible that Kislevarin to Reikspiel is different).
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It's much easier to tailor one to a specific Wizard than to make something one-size-fits-all, so for the same effort it takes to make an okay staff that anyone could use, you could make a really good one that only one person can use. It is possible to use a staff that was tailored to someone else, but unless your paradigm is very similar to theirs (such as by being their Apprentice) it won't work very well for you.
Realm of the Ice Queen divides Hag Witches into three specialities: koldunja for spirit wranglers, vorozheja for seers, and znarkharja for those that protect a community.
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That looks like she just dragged a host of her bound spirits with her.
A drowning bog spirit probably.
That looks like a discipline of magic based ENTIRELY around mass binding apparitions and analogues.
It'd even be pretty safe - you're not conducting the winds through yourself but rather allocating budget to already magical beings to do things within their nature...well aside from the spirits trying to eat you.
With this one statement, and many more after, she shows that she STRONGLY defies her career stereotype. This is no mere country bumpkin, she's well versed in elven politics and evidently well learned in logistics and other such.
The answer to being limited to spirits that are largely regional - bind a swarm of anything that can travel with you as escort party and bind something everywhere across the continent.
...oh dear, she's Granny Weatherwax now.
...probably for the best that we got a junior ice witch. Seniors are going to be at loggerheads.
Custom warp biome, without enough brains to corrupt voluntarily, and housing too much magic to corrupt by force.
Interesting.
Treemen as evolved Dryads hmm.
Do Treemen usually cast or is it more that most Treemen are formed from relatively young Dryads who then commit too much of their power into animating their vessel to actually use it for much else?
Paranoth is going to have a headache at us.
Ehe.
So they'll all be back, but its going to take a long time, not all of them will be arriving intact, and Drycha never saw her attacker - and can barely tell one meatbag from another.
...she's going to blame elves isn't she?
Sword wielding Ulgu shrouded wielder of Aqshy.
That sounds like a Loremaster of Hoeth!
Precision tool!
Might be good for lab use, but not for battle magic.
Precision tool for enchanting, and the like.
Hmm!