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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Jyn Ryvia said:
character who is close to their god breaks a core tenet of don't tell non-Ranaldites you're a Ranaldite to tattle on his latest hist.
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That's not a tenent he has.

He says 'Don't tell people you worship the Deceiver, because good liars don't admit it.' He happens to have three other faces that have no proscription whatsoever against indiscretion.

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I've argued why we're not telling Belegar, and if its anyone we should share its only to Kragg.

We've weaken their gods, but we dont know how much or the practical impact in the future. We already said Mork is weaken, so from practical side we've said the important thing.

I dont think i can convince other with different vote, so ill just vote instead.

[X] Remain silent.

[X] Join the hunting with Codrin
[X] Cook with Panoramia and Titus

[X] Drinking
When in rome...
[X] Gambling
Its a form of worship
[X] Sparring

[X] Yes to Shenanigans
 
Guile said:
Do you often explode into demons when you don't do your job perfectly? Just checking.
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I mean, this is literally every wizard every all the time. (Until they've rolled the dice enough that some of the simpler stuff is ok, but you don't get that without rolling dice.) If your argument applies to every wizard every time they cast, you have a problem with wizards, not with Pan.

[X] Tell Belegar and Kragg.

She needs more information, and minus another mind packet, this is the only way she gets it. It isn't like there's another Magister she can talk to about whether this is actually important or not, so trustworthy second bests it is.


[X] Join the hunting with Ruprecht Wulfhart

[X] Cook with Panoramia and Titus

[X] Being maudlin
[X] Telling war stories
[X] Gambling

[X] Hold a Ranaldan religious service
 
chocolote12 said:
That's not a tenant he has, it's just something the thread has gotten into their heads and refuses to let go of.

He says 'Don't tell people you worship the Deceiver, because good liars don't admit it.' He happens to have three other faces that have no proscription whatsoever against indiscretion.
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So? An aspect is still a part of the overall god. The Deciever is still Ranald in whole.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
So? An aspect is still a part of the overall god. The Deciever is still Ranald in whole.
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True, but don't tell people you worship me is not an absolute prohibition anyways. If it was, he'd already be out of worshipers, and even weaker than he already is. Or completely unknown outside of an extremely secretive cult. Just the fact that people know he's a god who exists shows there's leeway in this matter.
 
Glau said:
She needs more information, and minus another mind packet, this is the only way she gets it. It isn't like there's another Magister she can talk to about whether this is actually important or not, so trustworthy second bests it is.
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Can you explain why she needs more information RIGHT NOW ?
Because I don't quite see why anything would be relevant before she could get to the Grey order and peruse some records.
 
Glau said:
I mean, this is literally every wizard every all the time. (Until they've rolled the dice enough that some of the simpler stuff is ok, but you don't get that without rolling dice.) If your argument applies to every wizard every time they cast, you have a problem with wizards, not with Pan.
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I have a problem with wizards who aren't dead sure about their limits, yeah. We have some safety net, as the protagonist, but we've seen all kinds of much better mages than Pan die instantly on a rolled 1.

I recently reread the Drakenhof arc, and holy cow those miscasts. I wonder if that town is still on fire from when Jovi exploded?
 
Glau said:
I mean, this is literally every wizard every all the time. (Until they've rolled the dice enough that some of the simpler stuff is ok, but you don't get that without rolling dice.) If your argument applies to every wizard every time they cast, you have a problem with wizards, not with Pan.

[X] Tell Belegar and Kragg.

She needs more information, and minus another mind packet, this is the only way she gets it. It isn't like there's another Magister she can talk to about whether this is actually important or not, so trustworthy second bests it is.
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Yes she does. She has the Grey College. She's not going to forget what happened between now and whenever we return.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
So? An aspect is still a part of the overall god. The Deciever is still Ranald in whole.
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You know we had those whole things where we set up the Stirland Watch and everybody in our fief as worshipers of the guy, right? And one of the options is for a Ranaldite religious service?

Do you think we pre-faced those with something like 'I don't worship him, I just think he's neat'?
Varano said:
…Are you unironicly doing double-think right now?
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Double :thonk:, more like.

More seriously, I don't even know what that means. Could you clarify?
 
Yeah, like, let's go through our actual channels if we need to know more, we've got them for a reason.

We don't need to test a good relationship for something we don't need to know this instant.
 
Again, the information has no effect on the campaign. If, IF Kragg is somehow able and willing to inspect an incredibly hostile god, that just means he's not helping on retaking KArak Eight Peaks.

There is no benefit, just these sentiments of "its related to them and we like them, thus we should tell tell them"
 
As stands, the risk-assessment from the weakening of Mork will be inaccurate, as they are assuming it was caused through carelessness on Mork's part rather than enemy action. Furthermore, the magnitude of harm (and thus desire on their part to redress it) is likely to be underestimated, as much of the power was pulled rather than being left on the table. While it is unlikely that the Dwarves will discover that we withheld information from them, as the unpredictability of the Greenskins means just about any reaction falls within the bounds of possibility for them, keeping it from them is still putting our allies at risk.

While there are both OOC and (some) IC reasons to keep the dwarves in the dark about the ultimate source of these issues, I am very much not a fan of giving them the mushroom treatment.
 
Zaratustra said:
Can you explain why she needs more information RIGHT NOW ?
Because I don't quite see why anything would be relevant before she could get to the Grey order and peruse some records.
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Because the godly responses, if any, will be coming before then and this is very much not her area of expertise. We saw a literal fist of an angry God last battle: knowing context and having everyone on the same page is important if it MIGHT keep happening.

Guile said:
I have a problem with wizards who aren't dead sure about their limits, yeah. We have some safety net, as the protagonist, but we've seen all kinds of much better mages than Pan die instantly on a rolled 1.

I recently reread the Drakenhof arc, and holy cow those miscasts. I wonder if that town is still on fire from when Jovi exploded?
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I mean, this kinda proves the point. Any wizard, any time: it's a good idea to play it as safe as you can, but there isn't anything actually like 'safe'. Expecting a journeyman to live up to a standard a Magister can't is kinda stupid.
 
chocolote12 said:
That's not a tenant he has.

He says 'Don't tell people you worship the Deceiver, because good liars don't admit it.' He happens to have three other faces that have no proscription whatsoever against indiscretion.
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So funny thing ...
BoneyM said:
The least-known guise of Ranald is Ranald the Deceiver, God of Irony and Illusion, Charlatans and Tricksters, favoured by spies, liars, con artists, and Grey Wizards. He smiles on attempts to outwit and outfox your enemies, though he smiles just as readily on suitably entertaining failures. To openly admit to worshipping him is to fail at doing so, as no true liar admits to being one, so worship of this guise tends to be more personal and uncodified than even that of Ranald's other followers.
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The Deceiver is the Patron of Grey Wizards, Aka us.
 
Reynal said:
As stands, the risk-assessment from the weakening of Mork will be inaccurate, as they are assuming it was caused through carelessness on Mork's part rather than enemy action. Furthermore, the magnitude of harm (and thus desire on their part to redress it) is likely to be underestimated, as much of the power was pulled rather than being left on the table. While it is unlikely that the Dwarves will discover that we withheld information from them, as the unpredictability of the Greenskins means just about any reaction falls within the bounds of possibility for them, keeping it from them is still putting our allies at risk.

While there are both OOC and (some) IC reasons to keep the dwarves in the dark about the ultimate source of these issues, I am very much not a fan of giving them the mushroom treatment.
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please, confirm to me how 'Mork fucked up and overextended himself' is 'Not accurate enough'

When we quite literally were told--multiple times--that we have no idea on if there are going to be any long term repercussions and arguably nobody would be able to project the likelyhood of repercussions in the world?

Like, the only ones who could maybe do this were the pre-apocalyptic Nekherans.

Also, in case anyone thinks the 'Fist of an angry god' was weird?

It wasn't

That's a standard greenskin battle magic spell to summon a godly foot or fist to crush a bunch of people. Missing and hitting their own side is pretty standard miscast stuff.

It's impossible to judge how a God's actions might change because they were caught on the backfoot, giving more information on that doesn't actually change the fact that--as far as we on the ground are concerned--not much has changed on the level of abstraction we can observe.
 
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Reynal said:
As stands, the risk-assessment from the weakening of Mork will be inaccurate, as they are assuming it was caused through carelessness on Mork's part rather than enemy action. Furthermore, the magnitude of harm (and thus desire on their part to redress it) is likely to be underestimated, as much of the power was pulled rather than being left on the table. While it is unlikely that the Dwarves will discover that we withheld information from them, as the unpredictability of the Greenskins means just about any reaction falls within the bounds of possibility for them, keeping it from them is still putting our allies at risk.

While there are both OOC and (some) IC reasons to keep the dwarves in the dark about the ultimate source of these issues, I am very much not a fan of giving them the mushroom treatment.
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Mate, look at the update. This isn't being treated as an important effect on the campaign, they barely care. There is no talk of "Mork is weakened" beyond us mentioning it and Kragg saying it's possible.

It is not a factor in the council for the campaign.
 
Glau said:
I mean, this kinda proves the point. Any wizard, any time: it's a good idea to play it as safe as you can, but there isn't anything actually like 'safe'. Expecting a journeyman to live up to a standard a Magister can't is kinda stupid.
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... Doesn't mean she shouldn't try to keep from summoning giant demon-maggots?
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
Again, the information has no effect on the campaign.
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That's where I disagree with you: it definitely could. For reasons ranging from Mork sticking around to punch things he doesn't like more, to changes to greenskin magic, to gods only know what. Hell, as far as Mathilde knows, there are chaos dwarves in one of the other peaks and 'hey, evil dwarves that use sorcery' would be CRITICAL tactical info.
 
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