Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
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- At Home
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
- Start date
- Fantasy Users' Choice!
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
- Location
- France
[X] Truth
I really hope Faith doesn't win... But if it does win, I hope Ranald likes it and lets us use this anyway.
Unfortunately I've gotten a bit confused by these 60+ pages of back-and-forth about what exactly Faith means. Is there a chance that Faith leads to more Divine + AV stuff if Ranald approves of it? Or is Faith just "Prudence, but you let Ranald know it's possible"?
I really hope Faith doesn't win... But if it does win, I hope Ranald likes it and lets us use this anyway.
Unfortunately I've gotten a bit confused by these 60+ pages of back-and-forth about what exactly Faith means. Is there a chance that Faith leads to more Divine + AV stuff if Ranald approves of it? Or is Faith just "Prudence, but you let Ranald know it's possible"?
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
It's "don't count on Ranald doing what you want."
We do not know and have no way to know how he will react, and Boney has warned multiple times to not assume we'll be able to do [insert assumption about what Ranald will let us do].
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Faith is faith, it is tossing everything at Ranald and letting him decide one way or the other. To guess what he would do you have to guess the mind of Ranald, though the GM did say if you want research vote research.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
Close vote, huh? I think I'm going to stop following this so closely, it's giving me unpleasant flashbacks of the job vote, and that's never fun to remember.
[X] Truth
In these votes, things can get pretty tense at the best of times and this time I get the strong feeling that some people are voting on the basis of RL values that they hold very dear, so even without things degenerating into name-calling or the like, this was more or less guaranteed to be a particularly intense vote.
- Location
- The Milky Way Galaxy, Presumably
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SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
not going to lie seeing the vote tally and the back and forth is actually anxiety inducing. Especially as it feels like discussion is actively harmful, seeing the number of people on both sides say they're changing their vote because of advocates for the other side when they vote.
it's very disheartening and discouraging.
Especially as the vote probably wont close for literally days.
it's very disheartening and discouraging.
Especially as the vote probably wont close for literally days.
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Imperial Helldog
410,757,864,530 DEAD LIZARDS
[X] Truth
One thing I always like about this quest is that the protagonist is perfect for doing the sneaky, underhanded shit you couldn't get away with in other WHF quests.
One thing I always like about this quest is that the protagonist is perfect for doing the sneaky, underhanded shit you couldn't get away with in other WHF quests.
WhiteNights
Notorious Phoneposter
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Faith scenarios from best to worst -
1. Ranald likes what we're doing and helps our research.
2. Ranald is ok with it, and we continue, he still has our back.
3. Ranald is ok with it, just doesn't want us fingerprinting him, everyone else is fair game. Will back us on this.
4. Ranald is ok with it, but he doesn't want to be implicated, so he won't have our back if we get caught, but he is otherwise with us.
5. A combo of 3 and 4, we still have his favor for other stuff.
6. Ranald wants us to stop this line of research.
The option of him wanting to destroy AV is non existent imo, since Boney doesn't do trap votes.
Both Research and Faith are gambles. Research just pushes the gamble on Ranald's reaction to a later date, with slightly worst odds.
I rather take the odds on Faith.
Resonant
Procrastinator Supreme
Choosing to disclose information that involves a friend and respecting their boundaries is not unconditional submission. I think this is a case of fixating on the terms "Faith/Devotion/Sacrifice" and conflating their meaning.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
No it's the direct meaning of the vote. Their relationship is frankly irrelevant, she's sacificing the potential to do anything with others gods via AV and submitting herself entirely to Ranalds Judgement and will do what Ranald wants afterwards.
The fact that the first crystal is Ranalds is ultimately irrelevant it's just what has been fixated on.
To use the flawed photograph approach it's walking up to Ranald with our camera showing him a photo and then sacrificing the Camera to him and the method to make more cameras and photos.
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No, it is a case of allowing Ranald to define how we use the technique we developed for everyone and for all time. It is granting him power over the process far in excess of any moral imperative
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- Location
- Mexico
We have direct confirmation that Ranald cares more about having us close to him that our own interests, if we choose to abandon research and sacrifice that progress to him then he will take it.
It won't matter if we he didn't care, or that he wanted the research, Faith is Faith and choosing that option will push more towards that path.
I for one have no interest in Mathilde becoming a priest, our relationship to Ranald is something I enjoy but it's one of peers, not subservience, choosing Faith changes that.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Here is what the QM has said on the subject:
Basically, we are communicating two things to Ranald:
- We can do this
- We felt it important to check in with him about it
But, ultimately, I'm not voting Faith because of mystery box rewards. I'm voting Faith because I like Mathilde's relationship with Ranald and I want to lean into it, not away from it. Every moment in this quest where Mathilde has been working in close partnership with Ranald has been a joy to read, and I want more of those, and if we vote Truth we will have fewer of those because we will be keeping a secret from him that it is important he not find out.
We've got a bunch of world-redefining research projects. We have only one god.
- Location
- somewhere over there.
- Pronouns
- They/It
That's not uncomment in normal human interaction though. If you do something that steps over where you think the line is between you and someone else, apologizing and saying you'll never do it again is pretty common. If they reply with "nah, you're good; I don't mind" then they're deciding "for you" in the same way you seem to find so objectionable here.
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Ritualistic sacrifice of an entire field of study and all the things unknown that may be found thereof are 'not uncommon in human interaction'? I'm sorry this is not anything for which there is any normal human interaction. This is Marie Curie deciding to destroy her whole theory of radioactivity because she got her uranium out of someone's land without permission by accident and they told her to do it.
The scale of the thing is staggering and I feel like people are minimizing it by making it all about the offense of the singular crystal.
- Location
- Mexico
We know for certain that Ranald would not hesitate to sever our ties to the empire given the chance, he wants us to serve him above everyone else.
Choosing Faith is just giving him the chance to choose how we study Gods, and there is a definite benefit to him deciding that no, we don't get to study Gods other than through him.
And by choosing that we are already putting him above us, so far we are friends, choosing to ask for his guidance and opinion tilts that relationship.
Choosing Faith is just giving him the chance to choose how we study Gods, and there is a definite benefit to him deciding that no, we don't get to study Gods other than through him.
And by choosing that we are already putting him above us, so far we are friends, choosing to ask for his guidance and opinion tilts that relationship.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
A better analogy would be "this would be the biologists who took Henrietta Lacks' cells for study telling her what they had done and destroying them if she requested it."
It's not uranium from someone's land. It is something deeply personal and private of his. Getting consent for performing SCIENCE!!! on someone's essence, divine or biological, is just... basic ethics, of the sort that was violated wholesale with Henrietta Lacks and has allowed companies to reap commercial rewards and share nothing with her family.
It would suck if Henrietta Lacks had told the biologists to destroy the samples, because we have learned so much from the HeLa cell line. Destroying them if asked would still be the right thing to do.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
Mostly just re-iterating the same points that have been made before, tbh.