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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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As heated as these votes can get, I'm continuously pleased at the thread's ability to keep things relatively cool, and seeing the thread rack up so many more pages so quickly is always a delight.
 
LollipoPReapeR said:
I don't think I've seen this many votes in one place and absolutely neck and neck at this point. Don't even understand the point of voting for Prudence at this point though. I guess those guys can be a swing vote if they switch. But considering that stance seems to be closer to Faith than Truth…
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If people want Prudence, they vote for Prudence. Some of them are willing to compromise and approval vote (Both for Faith and for Truth), others are not. I know that as the most well known member of the Necromancy faction I may be slightly biased here, but there is value in voting for what you want even if its going to fail.

For a more succesful example, everyone was convinced that the Unnamed Hysh Dragon stood no chance of winning when the vote first opened up, and then the shippers just kept on chugging through.
 
That is a impressive vote.

Sorry if someone asked that before, but does anyone knows the highest vote count of the quest?

And just to add something:

In my opinion this isn´t about faith in a god, but faith in a friend. You don´t uncover the secret of a friend and present it to the wider world. That isn´t the behavior I like to see.

Maybe that is just projection from me, but in such votes I let my feeling decide.
 
Wisefox said:
That is a impressive vote.

Sorry if someone asked that before, but does anyone knows the highest vote count of the quest?

And just to add something:

In my opinion this isn´t about faith in a god, but faith in a friend. You don´t uncover the secret of a friend and present it to the wider world. That isn´t the behavior I like to see.

Maybe that is just projection from me, but in such votes I let my feeling decide.
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692 Votes is the max, there is a ways to go to that.

I am pretty sure ritual sacrifice and devotion are both about faith in a god. If people want faith than vote for it but do not kid yourselves about the relationship of submission there.
 
This is mostly a joke post. If the coin lands on its head and the thread perfectly ties, Mathilde should sacrifice like 90% of the divine energy to Ranald, while attempting to keep like 10% on the down-low despite it being basically impossible to conceal at that point. I have to imagine that Ranald would be amused by the sheer audacity of being in such brazen bad faith.
 
Wisefox said:
In my opinion this isn´t about faith in a god, but faith in a friend. You don´t uncover the secret of a friend and present it to the wider world. That isn´t the behavior I like to see.
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While not a wrong opinion, it should be noted that Truth is not "Present your findings to the world" option. 90+% of the thread thinks Mathilde(we) will try to keep this discovery a secret, a significant chunk of it just thinks she'll eventually fail.

DragonParadox said:
692 Votes is the max, there is a ways to go to that.

I am pretty sure ritual sacrifice and devotion are both about faith in a god. If people want faith than vote for it but do not kid yourselves about the relationship of submission there.
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Ain't no rule you can't ritualistically sacrifice to a friend.

You could even argue that the old tradition of becoming blood brothers is a blood sacrifice made to your friendship.
 
Omegahugger said:
While not a wrong opinion, it should be noted that Truth is not "Present your findings to the world" option. 90+% of the thread thinks Mathilde(we) will try to keep this discovery a secret, a significant chunk of it just thinks she'll eventually fail.


Ain't no rule you can't ritualistically sacrifice to a friend.

You could even argue that the old tradition of becoming blood brothers is a blood sacrifice made to your friendship.
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That is mutual this isn't. Unconditional submission, is like conceptually incompatible to friendship if words mean anything at all.
 
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Well, I've to say despite Faith being on the lead right now, I'm glad the continuous anti-Truth arguments have stopped. Those really weren't fun to read after a certain point.
 
DragonParadox said:
Yes, yes it is unconditional, it is about 'liking someone' so much that you subsume your won will to theirs.
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What part of it is unconditional? Or rather, what part of this is unconditional submission in a way that Mathilde's decision to do anything isn't?

If Mathilde didn't think she had a choice, it wouldn't be put to a vote. The fact that people can vote for anything else is proof that it isn't unconditional.

Mathilde is allowed to do things for other entities without expecting anything in return, it's called not being an objectivist.
 
10ebbor10 said:
By that logic, giving someone a gift is unconditional submission, because you subsume your will over what happens with the gift to theirs.
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Except this is the gift of deciding what you will do with your time and effort over a long period of time, one that requires no argument on their part and again the words devotion and ritual sacrifice. Let me put it this way, imagine it it were a romantic relationship and one of the two were willing to do all that not expecting any reciprocation, does that not sound a bit creepy? Well when you take the romance out it is still creepy... except of course this is neither friendship nor romance it is the relationship between a worshiper and a god.
 
DragonParadox said:
Except this is the gift of deciding what you will do with your time and effort over a long period of time, one that requires no argument on their part and again the words devotion and ritual sacrifice. Let me put it this way, imagine it it were a romantic relationship and one of the two were willing to do all that not expecting any reciprocation, does that not sound a bit creepy? Well when you take the romance out it is still creepy... except of course this is neither friendship nor romance it is the relationship between a worshiper and a god.
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I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Are you implying that Mathide isn't friends with Ranald? I didn't know that you were Mathilde. Hey, I know what we should do, let's ask Mathilde herself:
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Transcendent Ranald: Your relationship with Ranald is not one of temples and priests. He is your oldest and most annoying friend.
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DragonParadox said:
Except this is the gift of deciding what you will do with your time and effort over a long period of time, one that requires no argument on their part and again the words devotion and ritual sacrifice. Let me put it this way, imagine it it were a romantic relationship and one of the two were willing to do all that not expecting any reciprocation, does that not sound a bit creepy? Well when you take the romance out it is still creepy... except of course this is neither friendship nor romance it is the relationship between a worshiper and a god.
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Honestly, if this vote was whether or not we would sacrifice the crystal to Panoramia I would be way more tempted by Faith.

... Is it too late to try a write-in?
 
I think I am going to stop on the whole friendship thing for two reasons:
  1. It is arguing semantics on the internet which I have found is rarely a good idea
  2. I have a deep and visceral response to what I can only see as delusion on the part of the main character in the relationship with another, and I fear if I talk about it more I might step over a line
 
10ebbor10 said:
By that logic, giving someone a gift is unconditional submission, because you subsume your will over what happens with the gift to theirs.
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I want to emphasize that this is pretty different. We aren't giving a gift to Ranald, we're showing him what we had done and inviting him to pass judgment upon our actions and committing to submit to it.

Whether that results in Ranald giving us a gift, forbidding us from researching this, forbidding us from using the AV, giving us the high-five to go ahead, or any other possible result of his judgment it's for Him to decide.

But in any case, it's very different from gifting something to a friend.

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By sacrificing Ranaldian energy that Ranald did not create you would be revealing to Him that you are able to create and trap that energy, and by doing so inviting Him to pass judgement on it. It's not impossible that He'd give Mathilde a high five and tell her to go nuts, but it's definitely not something you should be counting on.
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DragonParadox said:
Except this is the gift of deciding what you will do with your time and effort over a long period of time, one that requires no argument on their part and again the words devotion and ritual sacrifice. Let me put it this way, imagine it it were a romantic relationship and one of the two were willing to do all that not expecting any reciprocation, does that not sound a bit creepy? Well when you take the romance out it is still creepy... except of course this is neither friendship nor romance it is the relationship between a worshiper and a god.
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One person giving the other a gift they worked on for a long time sounds pretty romantic actually. Like that's a core point of a ton of romance stories?
We also didn't work that long on it. It was a single AP spend on a single turn.

If anything, the creepy part would be whole experiment thing, where we did in fact make of with a little clone of his soulstuff and put it in a bottle.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Except this is the gift of deciding what you will do with your time and effort over a long period of time, one that requires no argument on their part and again the words devotion and ritual sacrifice. Let me put it this way, imagine it it were a romantic relationship and one of the two were willing to do all that not expecting any reciprocation, does that not sound a bit creepy? Well when you take the romance out it is still creepy... except of course this is neither friendship nor romance it is the relationship between a worshiper and a god.
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In that context your argument makes even less sense. In a romantic relationship, making choices with your partners stuff that could massively affect them or you think might seriously cross their boundries (even if you are unsure about those things) should absolutely be talked about, not done behind the others back.

Edit: sorry didn't see the post about dropping it.
 
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