dinomannitro6
all your gender is belong to us
- Location
- The Land Where The Sunflowers Bloom
But isn't that the case for everybody?
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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But isn't that the case for everybody? </grey wizard>
"Thorek wants a meeting at my place. HE MUST BE PLANNING TO KILL ME!"
- Location
- Great Khanate of Scotland
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I'll admit, it's kind if funny that we've promoted the guy we half-suspect of being corrupted by Chaos to major supporting character, because now if he does betray us it will be dramatically satisfying.
No. Ranald wants to troll us, and Wolf is a Good Boy.But isn't that the case for everybody?
- Location
- Titan
It should also be noted for posterity that Storm of Chaos was retconned.
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
- Location
- At Home
Yes, it was. In favour of the End Times. There is a reason the vast majority of people prefer Storm of Chaos. Also, while Boney has given a great many things their own unique spin in the DL-verse, the core of the lore is taken from WHFRP2e, which is normally set in the aftermath of the events of the Storm of Chaos.
True, although it was retconned mainly to make way for End Times, and most of the sources Boney is using assumes that Storm of Chaos is canon, so it can be safe to say that an event similar to Storm of Chaos could happen in Divided Loyalties.
- Location
- Titan
I just assumed the person who asked the question was legitimately unaware.
I thought he mostly wants them to give up the key. Am I mistaken?
K von Carstein
Likes to go for a walk
- Location
- Belgium
- Pronouns
- He
I think it's also so we can keep an eye on him, instead of having him doing Ranald knows what on his own. At least that's part of my motivation to keep him close to us. The rest is because I genuinely liked his interactions with Mathilde during the Karak Dum expedition, and if there's a chance to make sure he doesn't fall to Choas I want to take it.
He could try, but but I assume that being brought into the most significant magical research project the colleges have ever heard of would outweigh things. Unique magical knowledge from working on this project is like catnip to wizards.
To be honest if Alaric actively comes close to sabotaging the project I would vote to assassinate him, like straight up I do not even care if he is chaos any attempt to scupper this project for personal gain might as well be done by chaos so he should be dead. Between our spells our sword and the belt we have very good odds of ambushing and killing another Lord Magister, much better than if we are the ones surprised.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
- Location
- Earth
If memory serves, he said that was good enough for now. Seems to want to do more but is aware it'll piss off significant portions of the Empire.
That seems like a bad idea. If he actively tries to sabotage the project (which I find exceedingly unlikely at best), it would be far more practical to just, you know, tell people. Use it as leverage to get him arrested or kicked out of the Patriarch position or retired. Jumping to personal assassinating him without authorisation is way too risky.
It would be out word against his and we have the political connections of a hamster when it comes to the Empire. I would say in that fight stabbing is where our skills lie, sort of like Regimand and the empress.
- Location
- Australia
I think that's a bad idea. The update says that while Mira has taken control of most parts of the Light Order, the external-facing parts of it still belong to Alric, so if we present to the project to the Light Order, it'll be his win, not hers.
He wants to do that to start with, being too busy doing other things to take more drastic measures immediately in the name of vengeance.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
I think it's worth pointing out that a paranoid Light Wizard is one of the worst targets possible for a Grey Wizard to try to assassinate*. Eyes of Truth alone makes things much more difficult.
And Alric is a person that made Supreme Patriarch three times. It really wouldn't do to underestimate him.
*Closest competition is probably a paranoid Celestial Wizard
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Eye of Truth does nothing against a Grey wizard teleporting on top of you and then even if he gets the first spell off, all the spells that he could cast at us (which would be the reflex) would get him a mind-shattering migraine as the belt burned his brain. I like our odds against a Alaric in agony and in arms' reach.
Not that I think the above is really that likely, I just like to imagine the scene of Horstman being jealous because he was not the one to do the stabbing and trying not to show it.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
- Location
- Earth
If it's our word against his, then we don't have any actual proof it's him and then we're assassinating someone who might be sabotaging the project. And uh. Mathilde is friends with the Empress and has an entire College of Magic behind her, plus connections with at least two others, plus she's got links in Stirland. Fuck, Alric's whole problem is that he has no friends left in the Colleges. I think you're severely overestimating the amount of political capital he has.
Yeah, tell our boss and Dragomas, and they'll resolve things (which may or may not include assassination, but probably just means he gets send to swamp town to squabble with the frogs). There's no point in jumping to murder, and we shouldn't be the one to do it.
Mathilde is a Lady Magister. A Grey Lady Magister. Her word means a hell of a lot. And if we don't have enough evidence to at least get others interested, then we should really not be assassinating a Magister Patriarch.
And interference with the waystone project means he's on the shitlist of the Greys, the Elves, the Dwarfs, the Empress, the Ar-Ulric and indirectly the Chamberlain, so connections aren't really the issue.
Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
- Location
- United States
Yes but we have an in with her, in that she's the one who got us Egrimm, so instead of going to the Light Order we go to her and then through her those who support her ascension.
If Chaos is starting to move, it might be because they expected the previous Everchosen and Great War to have knocked out the Dwarfs completely.
The Great War Against Chaos saw the end of the Norscan Dwarfs, and the loss of enough Old Holds to put the Throne of Power's energy supply into the negatives. That meant that it turned the lifespan of the Dwarfs into a numbered one; as soon as the power ran out, they would be screwed; every Karak would have to close their doors and live deep underground, and every surface-dwelling Dwarf would start to petrify.
At the same time, the Great War was also meant to disrupt and massively damage Kislev, the Empire, and as many other Old World nations as they feasibly could. To be the death-toll of the Empire which was in the middle of a civil war that had lasted for a thousand years. What could go wrong? They probably did not expect the Gods of the Empire to send signs and tell everyone to cut that shit out and to prepare for war and to rally behind Magnus, and for Magnus to manage to beat the Everchosen.
And now, the Dwarfs have reclaimed two Karaks and have gotten their energy flow into the positives. What was supposed to be a knockdown blow for the Karaz Ankor, and a bitter "stolen hope" as their new leader reconnected to the Norscan Dwarfs only to lose them and gained the throne only to find out how close they are to defeat and death, turned out to not be a deathblow; and instead the Karaz Ankor can continue on still. The Empire wasn't destroyed at all. Kislev... well, it's not fully recovered a century and a half afterward so, well, yeah.
As for the Alric thing... Honestly, has anyone considered the possibility that he might have a point, or thinks he has a point? Namely, what if he suspects Mira and/or Egrimm of being trouble and bad news? Therefore, he might think that he has to regain and maintain power; and also keep an eye on his apprentice, in case he falls or has fallen all along or whatever. I mean, if his suspicions were right and Egrimm were a secret Chaos cultist or he had heard a prophecy that he was destined to cause a great disaster or something... yeah. (Or maybe the prophecy was more vague, something like "one of your students/creations/pupils/seeds will cause calamity" that could be interpreted to refer to your apprentice or to your children or to butterfly effects of your actions. You'd curse and grumble and second-guess yourself, but you'd keep your apprentice on a short leash anyway, wouldn't you?)
Things probably seem reasonable or logical to the people making those decisions or in those mindsets.
... Also, we don't actually have all that much information on Alric, Mira, and the Light College. We just have Egrimm's grumblings and complaints and 'We know Alric's gone here and here and there' and the rest is speculation.
The Great War Against Chaos saw the end of the Norscan Dwarfs, and the loss of enough Old Holds to put the Throne of Power's energy supply into the negatives. That meant that it turned the lifespan of the Dwarfs into a numbered one; as soon as the power ran out, they would be screwed; every Karak would have to close their doors and live deep underground, and every surface-dwelling Dwarf would start to petrify.
At the same time, the Great War was also meant to disrupt and massively damage Kislev, the Empire, and as many other Old World nations as they feasibly could. To be the death-toll of the Empire which was in the middle of a civil war that had lasted for a thousand years. What could go wrong? They probably did not expect the Gods of the Empire to send signs and tell everyone to cut that shit out and to prepare for war and to rally behind Magnus, and for Magnus to manage to beat the Everchosen.
And now, the Dwarfs have reclaimed two Karaks and have gotten their energy flow into the positives. What was supposed to be a knockdown blow for the Karaz Ankor, and a bitter "stolen hope" as their new leader reconnected to the Norscan Dwarfs only to lose them and gained the throne only to find out how close they are to defeat and death, turned out to not be a deathblow; and instead the Karaz Ankor can continue on still. The Empire wasn't destroyed at all. Kislev... well, it's not fully recovered a century and a half afterward so, well, yeah.
As for the Alric thing... Honestly, has anyone considered the possibility that he might have a point, or thinks he has a point? Namely, what if he suspects Mira and/or Egrimm of being trouble and bad news? Therefore, he might think that he has to regain and maintain power; and also keep an eye on his apprentice, in case he falls or has fallen all along or whatever. I mean, if his suspicions were right and Egrimm were a secret Chaos cultist or he had heard a prophecy that he was destined to cause a great disaster or something... yeah. (Or maybe the prophecy was more vague, something like "one of your students/creations/pupils/seeds will cause calamity" that could be interpreted to refer to your apprentice or to your children or to butterfly effects of your actions. You'd curse and grumble and second-guess yourself, but you'd keep your apprentice on a short leash anyway, wouldn't you?)
Things probably seem reasonable or logical to the people making those decisions or in those mindsets.
... Also, we don't actually have all that much information on Alric, Mira, and the Light College. We just have Egrimm's grumblings and complaints and 'We know Alric's gone here and here and there' and the rest is speculation.
So a thought: the Arbiter is noted to have participated in the War of Vengeance.
What are the odds that he can actually speak or at least understand Khazalid?
All of Mathilde's attempts at making Thorek sound more diplomatic may have been futile.
What are the odds that he can actually speak or at least understand Khazalid?
All of Mathilde's attempts at making Thorek sound more diplomatic may have been futile.
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- Omniverse #1345
Both parties are fully aware mathilde is playing diplomat between them. It's not exactly subtle.