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Seems like a good aspiration for Mathilde to strive towards.
...Well I would've said I'm not sure about he megalomaniacal part, but then I remembered Mathilde's naming conventions. As it happens, though, a fair chunk of the vocal parts of the thread have stated a desire for immortality of some sort, even if Dhar is considered a subpar method...
 
They can make their own enormously useful long-term immortal tools out of mortals, and in doing so almost guarantee that mortal's subservience. Chaos Gods don't really go in for reaching mutually beneficial arrangements with other powers, and when they appear to be doing so it's always a pretext that ends with the being who thought they could meet a literal Chaos God halfway getting either destroyed or enslaved. That's why Chaos is often described as 'self-defeating' - because each of the Chaos Gods always wants to do things on their own terms, and will absolutely detonate an arrangement that only gets them 99% of what they want in favour of making a play for 100%.

There probably has been vampires at points in history that thought that the Chaos Gods were the One Weird Trick they were looking for to defeat their rivals, and I guarantee it ended in disaster for them every time.
You know, this post has me thinking about whether there's more to Dhar and the Chaos gods than just Dhar As Force. Because one thing that makes people operate like that is when they see the world as a zero-sum game. It would certainly fit with Dhar's thematics of Blood and Sacrifice if the fundamental thing going on there was a situation of One Must Lose That One Might Gain.

And if the Chaos Gods are so strongly of Dhar then to them, any deal in which they aren't 100% in the winning side is one where they've lost something. Which would fit with that behavior. They act in a predatory manner and, to a predator, a situation in which their prey got something from them is a situation in which they were wounded. Better to hedge their bets, blow the deal up entirely, than to risk that wound weakening them. Especially when there's always the other three, and the would be usurpers, always waiting in the wings to take their place.

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Which, to head off on a tangent about an old hypothesis of mine, would of course imply that just as Qhaysh opposes Dhar by being the persuasion to Dhar's coercion on the mystical side, it also opposes it by being the Positive Sum (E: Or Positive Feedback Loops) to its Zero Sum elementally. It would certainly fit well with the absurd power of some feats of High Magic if the winds aren't just cooperating in harmony, but nourishing and enriching each other in the process.

One wonders if that hypothesis might not be testable in an particularly elemental windherding of Azyr and Aqshy. Azyr as the wind that fans the firestorm and Aqshy as the conflagration that draws the winds. Or many other ways. Light and Shadow defining each other via a third wind as an intermediary, for instance; "Things that feed upon each other and grow stronger for doing so" seems like a particularly rich metaphor for designing spells and enchantments around the Elemental side of winds.
 
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@Boney, WFRP 4e: Power Behind the Throne has a couple snatches of Eltharin.

Page 71
Elven Lightsingers (Bezahltag, 3-5 p.m.)
Elven niuromaintiech music, with its complex vocal sounds, its performers' eye-catching costumes [sic] has found an enduring audience among the other races of the Old World.
Page 72
Elven Gymnasts (Wellentag-Aubentag, 2–4:00 p.m.)
Combining grace and athleticism, the Elven art of leipinlluneis is the pinnacle of gymnastic endeavor, and never fails to draw gasps of admiration from all who see it. This year's display has been choreographed by the legendary Nadillien Coillmeinish who is still regarded as one of the best leipinlluneis ever seen in the Empire.

Additionally, because I remembered how some of the Karag Dum expedition updates were titled with music lyrics, figured I'd post this amusing thing from page 71.
Dwarf Valley Choirs (Marktag 2–4:00 p.m., Backertag 3–5:00 p.m.)
Middenheim's Dwarf community boasts several choirs, who are joined by visiting Dwarfs in performing classic songs such as 'Dwarfs of Hillrock,' 'Land of My Ancestors,' 'Saucepan Rock,' and 'All Through the Unusually Resistant Band of Fine-Grained Basalt.'
 
Additionally, because I remembered how some of the Karag Dum expedition updates were titled with music lyrics, figured I'd post this amusing thing from page 71.

There's also an Elf called 'Duriandian' singing 'Hungry Like the White Wolf' to a Middenheim audience. The 4th Edition corebook had a Priest of Morr called 'Wilhelm Abgott' encouraging his congregation to cry 'Morr, Morr, Morr' at the midnight hour, too. I do enjoy the little moments where the setting doesn't take itself entirely seriously. But, sadly, I have a hunch that those little snippets of 'Eltharin' aren't going to be that useful for worldbuilding - there's enough references in there I've caught to convince me that the others are ones I've missed.
 
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I can't help but imagine 'All Through the Unusually Resistant Band of Fine-Grained Basalt.' as a Song version of "All for Want of a Horseshoe Nail" but coming from the other direction. Mixed with a bit of "There was an old lady who swallowed a fly."

Each verse going on to show the deeds of a work of dwarf, and how the presence of a metaphorical horseshoe nail spirals upwards to save a mechanism that saves an army that saves a hold.

Because celebrating the results of a bit of exception craft, however minor, seems Particularly Dwarven Indeed.
 
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I'm very confused as I don't understand any of these references except for knowing that a song called "Hungry like the Wolf" exists.
 
I think leipinlluneis is meant to be glossed as leaping loonies, using loony in the sense of moonstruck, or crazy.
 
Well, if we're talking about names, then as a native Arabic speaker I have something to note that may be considered a fun fact?

So as I'm reading the Warhammer books, the name "Abdul ben Raschid" is mentioned a couple times as the Arabyan who wrote the "Book of the Dead". I just want to briefly talk about how kind of stupid the name is?

Alright, so Arabic is heavily influenced by Islam. Probably everyone knows this. The names of Arabs are also heavily influenced by Islam. We often have our children named after great figures in the Qur'an like the Prophet Muhammad, which is considered a "holy name" essentially. Some of these holy names are related to the name of God. Allah is one name of God, He has 99 others. So it's very common for male children to be named "Abdul(insert one of the 100 names of God here)". Abd literally means "slave", and could be used to refer to "servant" but is rarely done so in the modern day. Ul/Al is an addon to indicate "of" saying you belong to someone, in this case god. "Ben" on the other hand means that you're the son of (insert father name here). Abdul Raschid is an actual name for Arabs, because Raschid is one of the names of God in Islam. Except Islam shouldn't exist in Warhammer, but there was a period of time in which they clearly copied it in, and this character might have been made during that time.

But what makes this even worse is that his name isn't Abdul Raschid. His name is Abdul Ben Raschid. They literally named him "Slave of---- son of Raschid". It doesn't make any sense. No person I've ever met is named Abdul. Don't let Jojo's Bizarre Adventure fool you Avdol is not an accurate representation.

The reason this irritates me is that I'm one of those people with "Abdul" names. The only time I've seen a failure on Arabic naming schemes on this level is in Jojo.
 
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Well, if we're talking about names, then as a native Arabic speaker I have something to note that may be considered a fun fact?

So as I'm reading the Warhammer books, the name "Abdul ben Raschid" is mentioned a couple times as the Arabyan who wrote the "Book of the Dead". I just want to briefly talk about how kind of stupid the name is?

Alright, so Arabic is heavily influenced by Islam. Probably everyone knows this. The names of Arabs are also heavily influenced by Islam. We often have our children named after great figures in the Qur'an like the Prophet Muhammad, which is considered a "holy name" essentially. Some of these holy names is related to the name of God. Allah is one name of God, He has 99 others. So it's very common for male children to be named "Abdul(insert one of the 100 names of God here)". Abd literally means "slave", and could be used to refer to "servant" but is rarely done so in the modern day. Ul/Al is an addon to indicate "of" saying you belong to someone, in this case god. "Ben" on the other hand means that you're the son of (insert father name here). Abdul Raschid is an actual name for Arabs, because Raschid is one of the names of God in Islam. Except Islam shouldn't exist in Warhammer, but there was a period of time in which they clearly copied it in, and this character might have been made during that time.

But what makes this even worse is that his name isn't Abdul Raschid. His name is Abdul Ben Raschid. They literally named him "Slave of---- son of Raschid". It doesn't make any sense. No person I've ever met is named Abdul. Don't let Jojo's Bizarre Adventure fool you Avdol is not an accurate representation.

The reason this irritates me is that I'm one of those people with "Abdul" names. The only time I've seen a failure on Arabic naming schemes on this level is in Jojo.
Huh. Being raised as a Ba'hai, I always wondered what the name Abdul'baha meant. That makes a lot of sense now.
 
I'm very confused as I don't understand any of these references except for knowing that a song called "Hungry like the Wolf" exists.
Hungry like a wolf by Duran Duran.
Neurotech may be done variant of techno I'm not familiar with. Or maybe something played in rave parties? Not my crowd.
More, more, more at the midnight hour are lyrics from rebel yell, by billy idol, aka wilhelm abgott. (abgott is German for idol)
Its that kind of humour :)

Edit:On a sidenote, regarding language. In one of my native languages, Morr means Bitter. Coincidence? Almost certainly.
 
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I'm very confused as I don't understand any of these references except for knowing that a song called "Hungry like the Wolf" exists.
Nadillien Coillmeinish is a reference to Nadia Comăneci, the first gymnast to get a perfect 10/10 in the Olympics and still an icon in Romania to this day according to the Romanian GM of a WFRP game I'm playing in. Land of My Ancestors references Land of my Fathers. Dwarfs of Hillrock and Saucepan Rock are on the tip of my tongue but can't remember, and I don't have a clue what All Through the Unusually Resistant Band of Fine-Grained Basalt is.
 
GW love reusing names huh. I'm going through Daemons of Chaos rn and I got to Skulltaker, and never once is his other name mentioned. If I look up his name in the Wiki, he is not just Skulltaker, but also U'zuhl. But he is not to be confused with the other Greater Daemon U'zuhl who was bound into the Slayer of Kings that Archaon wields!

Who the hell thought of this stuff.
 
Thanks, I hate it.

It is somewhat ironic for a group refereed to a 'Chaos' to so consistently stick to established policies like this.

It is not really policy, they don't all gather in a room and decide 'no fangs', it is that they all have strong incentives to stay away from the beings that exist in magical stasis that is anathema to their own being. Vampires are repulsive to chaos, and the Chaos gods for all their pretenses of wisdom beyond mortal ken are very simple, very elemental beings, why would their eye fall on the haughtly undead when there are so many fun mortals begging for their favor?
 
GW love reusing names huh. I'm going through Daemons of Chaos rn and I got to Skulltaker, and never once is his other name mentioned. If I look up his name in the Wiki, he is not just Skulltaker, but also U'zuhl. But he is not to be confused with the other Greater Daemon U'zuhl who was bound into the Slayer of Kings that Archaon wields!

Who the hell thought of this stuff.
Aren't those the same?

U'zuhl Skulltaker is Khorne's Herald, ist the Kingslayer and part of him is also bound in the sword.
 
GW love reusing names huh. I'm going through Daemons of Chaos rn and I got to Skulltaker, and never once is his other name mentioned. If I look up his name in the Wiki, he is not just Skulltaker, but also U'zuhl. But he is not to be confused with the other Greater Daemon U'zuhl who was bound into the Slayer of Kings that Archaon wields!

Who the hell thought of this stuff.
There's also the Fires of U'Zhul spell from WFRP 2e: Realms of Sorcery, and the Great Fires of U'Zhul spell from WFRP 4e.
 
Aren't those the same?

U'zuhl Skulltaker is Khorne's Herald, ist the Kingslayer and part of him is also bound in the sword.
I haven't read Archaon's novel, I'm purely going off the Army Books. The Warriors of Chaos Army Book says "The Second Everchosen, Vangel, trapped the Greater Daemon U'zuhl inside this blade" . The Daemons of Chaos book never says Skulltaker's name is U'Zuhl, and never mentions that part of him is sealed inside the Slayer of Kings.

Maybe this is clarified in the Archaon novel, but the books do a very poor job at explaining it.
 
I haven't read Archaon's novel, I'm purely going off the Army Books. The Warriors of Chaos Army Book says "The Second Everchosen, Vangel, trapped the Greater Daemon U'zuhl inside this blade" . The Daemons of Chaos book never says Skulltaker's name is U'Zuhl, and never mentions that part of him is sealed inside the Slayer of Kings.

Maybe this is clarified in the Archaon novel, but the books do a very poor job at explaining it.
Then it's propably a case where either my memory or the wiki messed up.
Haven't read the novel.
 
GW love reusing names huh. I'm going through Daemons of Chaos rn and I got to Skulltaker, and never once is his other name mentioned. If I look up his name in the Wiki, he is not just Skulltaker, but also U'zuhl. But he is not to be confused with the other Greater Daemon U'zuhl who was bound into the Slayer of Kings that Archaon wields!

Who the hell thought of this stuff.
I dunno, I appreciate it. There's a lot of daemons, and only so many names/epithaphs that reference skulls and their taking/shedding blood. So some reuse is inevitable. Plus, great reason to get into a fight! At which point the issue is resolved. Plus, I can see it function like a challenge or callout, and especially a name like Skulltaker being as much a title as a name.

I also enjoy the thought of some cultists trying to summon a big mofo, and getting a piddly little thing because it has too much ego and so they've got the same name.
 
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