Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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This is actually a compelling argument.
That said, I'm suspicious of Bok. Either it's dumber than I think, and being an Archmage / Runelord is as simple as knowing the correct phrasing/protocol/having a talisman, or it's smarter than it lets on and can make really complex judgements.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Probably still wouldn't help. We basically need to figure out how to add approved users, and pray the ones that made Bok didn't make the addition of an approved user require an approved user.
At some point we might want to suggest doing the stupid thing and try having Thorgrim give orders while on the Throne of power. (This is actually using in-universe reasoning that a dwarf sitting int he throne of power must be the high king, so if a full command structure exists then Bok should acknowledge said authority. Out of character we know the throne of power might have a HUD control for it or something.). Obviously we can't just order the high king around, but I fully expect that if Kragg heard this idea he totally would.
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Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
If there's one thing Dwarfs would put maximum effort into, it's locking down admin access. If a Dwarf builds a program, you're not seeing the source-code unless you've got a 200 character security key that's been handed down from the ancestors.
There's not going to be a simple trick that gets us in.
- Location
- Utrecht
Knowing the dwarfs, possible.
But it could recognize an archmage and automatically slot them in to the role.
An Archmage of Laurelorn probably also knows more about elementals than anyone in the empire, and has a better idea about wth is going on with it's soul.
It might even be the thing that gets Kragg interested in the waystone project...
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
I mean that kinda is what the Throne of Power is? A unique rune that by all indications cannot be replicated that no dwarf would allow any but the high king (or maybe their designated heir in an emergency) to sit upon
I don't want 'one weird trick' to figure Bok out. I want something that will result in incremental progress, even if that something is just Bok asking for a specific form of authorization, because at least then we'd know some of the criteria it's checking.
- Location
- UK
I had a thought: what if is there is someone who does magic in a way that results in the Skaven looking at them like human mages look at skaven mages?
is... is there some form of under-underempire with like under-Skaven!?
"Daemon magic inferior, yes-yes! Blood-things and plague-things uncreative dummies, and squid-crab-things too expressive-creative, no focus, no control!! Tricky feather-things better, but too tricky! Always betrayed by own plots-plans! Real magic need wary, trust-trust no one, not magic, not even trust self! Skaven magic know best!" nods-nods
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
- Location
- Earth
He also might not be real. Like, even in Army Books, he's referred to as a myth, or as having been alive, but with an unconfirmed fate. He might be real, but he might just be a ghost story.
That seems unlikely to work. Even assuming there was a full command structure, Bok appears to be some sort of prototype designed specifically for K8P. It's unlikely that such a command structure goes beyond the King of 8 Peaks, if it exists. I highly doubt it'll link to the Throne itself. The Throne was the work of the Ancestors, and everything else that links to it seems to be too, so I suspect that later Dwarfs either couldn't or wouldn't add to those items.
- Location
- Manchester, UK
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- He/They
I feel like this is the sort of thing that probably happened even if Mathilde hasn't seen it, but has it been confirmed whether Belegar ever tried giving orders to Bok as King of Karak Eight Peaks?
If it's going to recognise any control object surely it would be the crown of the king it was created to serve, rather than the throne that is almost never going to be in the same Karak as it.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Nope. This was asked about a while back, the last time the thread got full of nervous energy about Bok:
Belegar has not tried this experiment and is unlikely to try without something dramatically changing.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
They get taken out on campaign. Of course they've been used to cut a roast! The carving knife got dropped.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Roast Cutter would have been the 13th Runefang, if Alaric had to make and name another.
- Runefang of Averland, known as Mother's Ruin.
- Runefang of Hochland, known as Goblin Bane.
- Runefang of Middenland, known as Legbiter.
- Runefang of Nordland, known as Crow Feeder.
- Runefang of Ostland, known as Brain Wounder.
- Runefang of Ostermark, known as Troll Cleaver.
- Runefang of Reikland, known as Dragon Tooth.
- Runefang of Stirland, known as Orc Hewer.
- Runefang of Talabecland, known as Stone Breaker.
- Runefang of Wissenland, known as Blood Bringer.
- Runefang of Solland, known as Grudge Settler.
- Runefang of Drakwald, known as Beast Slayer.
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Omg. Genuine disappoint in Belegbro right now.
There is weird funky crown that is magic - and he knows it's weird. Fact.
Crowns are symbols of authority.
There is a weird golem thing that kept an entire peak clear, and also Kragg is interested in. A golem thing that acts to try and preserve the safety of non-hostiles in K8P
I can't put this into words perfectly, but like. Give it a damn go. or like. be feckin' imaginative, Belegar.
20 minutes. 20 damm minutes of Belegar just saying various instructions to present the user manual or some such.
I have to chalk this to some sort of neurological difference between humans and dwarves to maintain my Sod. Belegar knows his crown is magic. Crowns are symbols.
I...
Mathilde has no excuse in my eyes. She should have, imo, wondered "is magic king-crown in any way linked to local golem that is explicitly asking for individuals who hold local hierarchical status'" I did and she's written as smarter than me.
That said, I have a plan: I'm going to pretend the crown has a function that explains everything the crown does to Belegar, in exhaustive detail, and none of those functions relate to Bok, and Belegar told that to Mathilde offscreen.
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- Location
- Manchester, UK
- Pronouns
- He/They
Right, yes. I still find it slightly odd, because it's not like "have the King talk to it" requires thinking that the crown is a relevant factor - and he never had an opportunity to talk to it before completing the crown so he wouldn't be dismissing the idea of talking to it on that basis.
But I guess he's leaving the runic stuff to the Runelord, and Kragg is very much disinclined to request help.
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Under what circumstances do Runesmiths loop themselves out of something concerning Runic lore? Answer: none whatsoever. Doing so would literally be blasphemous to them. Even if they're looping themselves out in favour of a King. Why would they give automatic root access to whichever non-Runesmith is wearing a crown? If the King wants something done they can go to the Runesmiths.
Codex
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- She/Her
This is interesting. There aren't too many examples of Wizarding families that we've come across, but Panoramia is part of one as the Jade College are famous for having them. The interesting thing isn't just that magical potential is more likely in children of magisters, but that this "Arcane Mark" like effect of seasonal attunement was something that ran in Panoramia's family. Is this just part of being attuned to the Jade Wind? Or can Arcane Marks be inherited to some degree? What happens when magisters of different winds have a child? I'd hope the "inheritance" thing is only if you actually pick up the Wind in question and lays dormant otherwise.
I want to know how the other people in the Order feel about this name. The whole Duckling thing came about because Mathilde felt like a Mother Duck leading her children across a tunnel in their very first excursion, and I don't think Mathilde is the type to explain why she would be calling them Ducklings. Did she just call them that one day and they accepted it? Do they object to the label or take pride in it? On one hand it's kind of infantilising. On the other it's cute.
How many layers is Mathilde wearing? Their date was on a sunny day, and she's wearing multiple layers? Doesn't she cook inside those robes?
The order in which things progress here indicate that they only dried up and redressed after eating. No wonder Mathilde couldn't pay full attention to her meal.
This reproductive rate is higher than I expected for Dragons? Maybe dragons often lay more than 1 egg per clutching, but 8 children per three centuries with their lifespan seems quite fast. Maybe that's just a quirk of Wind Dragons.
- Location
- Aotearoa
Cythons' interest in reproduction also seems to have waned after those same three centuries. So it's still the same eight young over their entire multi-millenia lifetime.
Kazrik, Rune Apprentice and Crown Prince: An Out-Of-Context, Class Error for Bok on succession.
In summer her underlayers would be made of light cotton or linen, and would breathe a lot better than modern synthetic or blended fabrics.
- Location
- Aotearoa
Also:
Can you show me the Ancestor God of Being Imaginative and Recklessly Experimenting With Ancient Golden Age Heirloom Relics?
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Codex
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Oh and another thing that I missed, maybe I'm looking too deeply into this, but Panoramia specifically says "mother teaching daughter since the dawn of time" and indicating that the Jade Wind is implied to be the original "Mother". The way she worded it indicates that it's always a Mother and Daughter? Is that something about her family in particular? I mean obviously there's men in the Jade Order, but maybe her family in particular places an importance in the relationship between mother and daughter. I'm very curious about Pan's mom tbh.
- Location
- Aotearoa
Meet-the-Parents social?
Panpan has already met Uncle Belegar, First Dad Regimand, possibly Third Dad Algard (perhaps in passing during the Hell Tower?) and Grandpa Kragg, after all. Maybe also little-big brother Anton and auntie Wilhelmina briefly, during the post Expedition celebrations?
Panpan has already met Uncle Belegar, First Dad Regimand, possibly Third Dad Algard (perhaps in passing during the Hell Tower?) and Grandpa Kragg, after all. Maybe also little-big brother Anton and auntie Wilhelmina briefly, during the post Expedition celebrations?
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Part of the 'Cult of the Mother' that formed the core of the Jade Order was matriarchal and matrilineal, and some families within it continue those traditions even though the modern Jade Order is more accepting of male Jade Wizards.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
...You know, it occurs to me that the only kind of family figure Mathilde is missing is a mother. Roswita and Heidi—on the days we're feeling particularly trusting at least—are closer to sisters than anything, and Eike will probably end up as a sort-of daughter if she becomes our apprentice.