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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Codex said:
My headcanon is that Mathilde is the type of person who gets pissed off when there's a mystery that she can't solve because of stuff she doesn't know, so she overcompensates. This is sorta backed up by us buying so many Beastman books right after the expedition, but I want to scour all the libraries for Tree books. I will campaign to make Mathilde an expert Dendrologist.

Mostly so I don't have to do my own research and Mathilde can just drip feed me the relevant parts. I live in a desert country I don't know the first thing about trees.
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We don't need to study trees, we can just ask our gf.
 
The Lone badger said:
We don't need to study trees, we can just ask our gf.
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Even better, we do both. Two brains are better than one.

All things considered I want this as future proof material more than actually analysing the trees we saw. Chances are we probably wouldn't be able to find out what exact trees were there because we saw it at a significant distance, so even working with Panoramia won't help. I just don't want to be caught off guard again by some god damn trees.
 
Codex said:
As far as I know there are no oceans in the areas surrounding Karag Dum, so the construction of a stratovolcano here seems weird.
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Stratovolcanos don't have to form by the ocean. Continental subduction can occur anywhere, although it is unusual for it to occur away from the coast. However, it should also be pointed out that stratovolcanoes are characterized by their shape/formation, not by being linked to subduction. They could be formed from earlier cindercones that continued erupting.

Guile said:
At the time, I assumed this was an Elf God thing; this was around the time Elf Gods started popping up all over in-quest, being worshipped under other names, and the elves are the ones with teleportation between world tree roots. So if the Dum started worshipping an Elf God playing the long game and trying a trick that involved 'turning the Goddamned Chaos Wastes into old-growth forest'...
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You appear to have quoted Codex and then somehow assigned the quote to me?
 
Just because Mathilde decides to become a tree expert does not mean she suddenly has accurate data about trees she saw long time ago from far away.
Let's just focus on existing mysteries, like how these magic conducting rocks work.
 
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Alliterate said:
The fun thing about the time line, and everyone now loudly washing their consciences for failing to heed Dum's warnings, because they're fallen, or 'fallen':

If the other Holds and Runesmith clans had Iistened at the time and (been able to) assist, then Dum wouldn't have had to go to the extremes we saw.
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Dwarfs aren't very good at accounting for mitigating circumstances, even for people they are actively trying to justify in favor of. That they went so far off course instead of valiantly holding out and succeeding by gumption is still a moral failing.

Whether this is worse than simply being overrun by Chaos may be a matter of debate for the stouthearted
 
Valmond said:
Just because Mathilde decides to become a tree expert does not mean she suddenly has accurate data about trees she saw long time ago from far away.
Let's just focus on existing mysteries, like how these magic conducting rcosk work.
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Aha, except the Waystones are not always rocks. As Mathilde saw for herself, some of the way"stones" in Laurelorn are trees and plants.

We currently work in a forest. We are surrounded by trees. Some of those trees are magic. I don't see why we shouldn't buy books about trees so we aren't wondering what the difference is between a Birch tree and an Oak tree in terms of appearance.
 
Codex said:
Aha, except the Waystones are not always rocks. As Mathilde saw for herself, some of the way"stones" in Laurelorn are trees and plants.

We currently work in a forest. We are surrounded by trees. Some of those trees are magic. I don't see why we shouldn't buy books about trees so we aren't wondering what the difference is between a Birch tree and an Oak tree in terms of appearance.
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And this relates to badgering Boney for more details about the trees in the wastes how?
 
The level of abstraction does not really need to go beyond "did Mathilde find out anything yes/no" and then if yes provide vague synopsis to work from.
We don't need any tree details.

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Codex said:
I very much don't appreciate your usage of the word "Badger" in relation to me asking a single question about the trees in the wastes.
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Answer was given, they looked like trees, from a distance, and an expert would be hard pressed to notice anything, which Mathilde is not, no need to keep at it afterwards.
 
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Valmond said:
The level of abstraction does not really need to go beyond "did Mathilde find out anything yes/no" and then if yes provide vague synopsis to work from.
We don't need any tree details.
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I asked if the trees in the waste looked like the ones in Laurelorn. Boney said Mathilde wouldn't know. I accepted the answer and wanted to buy books about it so we can more accurately tell information about trees in the future just in case. Then people started jumping up and down on my statements acting as if I told Boney to go through the Encyclopedia of Plants and make me an essay about the details of every tree in the Old World. And you still haven't addressed your choice to use the word "badger", implying that I'm pestering the QM for asking questions.
 
Codex said:
Aha, except the Waystones are not always rocks. As Mathilde saw for herself, some of the way"stones" in Laurelorn are trees and plants.

We currently work in a forest. We are surrounded by trees. Some of those trees are magic. I don't see why we shouldn't buy books about trees so we aren't wondering what the difference is between a Birch tree and an Oak tree in terms of appearance.
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Not sure if it'd be useful to learn more about trees; particularly since books on magic trees - or at least on these specific magic trees - are most probably going to be elf only. There's nothing wrong with having a tree section in the massive library in Karak Eight Peaks for reference in case we need to look up something on trees but by the same token Mathilde doesn't need to look up stuff on trees in advance.

Mathilde already has a backlog a mile long - she can't possibly read all the accounts on something weird ever in case she stumbles across that weird thing.
 
Zero Gravitas said:
Not sure if it'd be useful to learn more about trees; particularly since books on magic trees - or at least on these specific magic trees - are most probably going to be elf only. There's nothing wrong with having a tree section in the massive library in Karak Eight Peaks for reference in case we need to look up something on trees but by the same token Mathilde doesn't need to look up stuff on trees in advance.

Mathilde already has a backlog a mile long - she can't possibly read all the accounts on something weird ever in case she stumbles across that weird thing.
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Has stocking her library and reading a book ever taken an AP? No, it's always been that Mathilde attaches the relevant number to the relevant skill check, no AP spent to read the book. No AP is spent to restock the library either. The only resources spent are money and favor.

The exception is the Liber Mortis, and I hope you don't mean a book on trees is equivalent to the Liber Mortis.
 
Valmond said:
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Answer was given, they looked like trees, from a distance, and an expert would be hard pressed to notice anything, which Mathilde is not, no need to keep at it afterwards.
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I don't know what you're saying here. I explicitly chose not to reply to or tag Boney in my musings about buying books about trees because I specifically did not want to pester him. Did you want me to just stop posting about trees full stop because Boney answered my question? There's a line between asking questions and trying to involve the QM and making a post about my personal desires.
 
Codex said:
I don't know what you're saying here. I explicitly chose not to reply to or tag Boney in my musings about buying books about trees because I specifically did not want to pester him. Did you want me to just stop posting about trees full stop because Boney answered my question? There's a line between asking questions and trying to involve the QM and making a post about my personal desires.
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I am, in general, both in quest and real life, in favour of books.
But when it seems like the books are to be used as a back door for for more info to a question already answered about the Dum, i am less in favour of them.
And if the dum had not been brought up, i would not care if people talk about trees.
 
Valmond said:
I am, in general, both in quest and real life, in favour of books.
But when it seems like the books are to be used as a back door for for more info to a question already answered about the Dum, i am less in favour of them.
And if the dum had not been brought up, i would not care if people talk about trees.
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So you decided to use unfavorable language to describe me asking questions, in direct opposition to what I was actually doing, just because you don't like that I was looking forward to maybe getting some more details? I'm perfectly fine with never finding out what trees were in Dum, I honestly think that's a secondary concern to being able to tell more about trees when we need to.

Honestly, I don't care that you disagree with me or whatever. What I do care about, and what made me genuinely upset, was that you decided to make the implication that I was badgering the GM.
 
Codex said:
So you decided to use unfavorable language to describe me asking questions, in direct opposition to what I was actually doing, just because you don't like that I was looking forward to maybe getting some more details? I'm perfectly fine with never finding out what trees were in Dum, I honestly think that's a secondary concern to being able to tell more about trees when we need to.

Honestly, I don't care that you disagree with me or whatever. What I do care about, and what made me genuinely upset, was that you decided to make the implication that I was badgering the GM.
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If i interpreted you wrong, i apologize.
But when someone asks for details about the Dum trees, gets told Mathilde is not an expert on trees, and the instant follow up is "well Mathilde is an over acchiever so lets get some tree books and become an expert", i think it is a reasonable read that they are trying to get more info on the Dum.
Also the point that asking details on trees gives Boney more work, so until, and unless, knowing more about trees becomes relevant, might as well not bother.
 
Valmond said:
If i interpreted you wrong, i apologize.
But when someone asks for details about the Dum trees, gets told Mathilde is not an expert on trees, and the instant follow up is "well Mathilde is an over acchiever so lets get some tree books and become an expert", i think it is a reasonable read that they are trying to get more info on the Dum.
Also the point that asking details on trees gives Boney more work, so until, and unless, knowing more about trees becomes relevant, might as well not bother.
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I have had to field these replies for hours now, between several posters all interpreting my words in whichever way they want because I chose to be lighthearted about Mathilde becoming an expert on trees, so I'll make my position clear.

Mathilde has books on dozens and dozens of topics. She has books on chemistry, physics, anatomy, biology, society, culture and much more. Adding those books to her library gives her a wider breadth and depth of knowledge, allowing her to pick up information about stuff. I don't want Boney to start talking about all the exact details of a tree's constructions, I just want Mathilde to be able to tell if a tree is native to Laurelorn, Forest of Shadows, Great Forest, Forest of Arden or Drakwald. I don't want big details that require him to research it, just basic ones that give more information. I don't care if Mathilde never finds out what exact trees were in the Dum, I just wanted to know if my guess on it being Arden is plausible. I got my answer, which is that Mathild does not know, now I want to shore up that field, partly because it was a field we came across that we had no knowledge about, and partly because we're in a magic forest where we can put that knowledge to use.

Every single person that has replied to me over the past few hours seems to have fallen under the impression that I wanted exact details on every tree we come across for some reason. Maybe it was my fault for trying to crack a joke about Mathilde becoming a tree expert. If so, my bad.
 
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