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or she does not really care about the title and is willing to take years wrapping up a project.
Point of order, Pan has personal philosophical and religious objections (that incidentally I find quite valid) to the rituals and oaths required to achieve Magisterhood in the Jade College, that have clearly taken time to come to terms with.
We don't know that she doesn't care for the title.
 
"she just stands ona field and spams single spell"
I never really understood that argument, do people not now how draining repetative work is? Ask any office worker just how miserable it can get.
But if she is in no hurry why should we be in any hurry to take from Mathilde's time to make up for her procrastinating? You cannot really have it both ways, either she is too busy to do this thing she is years late in doing, or she does not really care about the title and is willing to take years wrapping up a project.
She is ambient about it but part of the relation ship is wanting/helping significant other to be succesfull. Unless she says she is against it for a valid reason giving her a push is actually good thing. She had a decent reason in religious matters but it looks to be solved in her mind so why not?

Mathilde by comparison took six months.
Mathilde too was ready long before she actually took the exams and was delaying because of her work. If somebody had freed her time she would probably would have been a magister atleast a couple of years earlier.
 
Point of order, Pan has personal philosophical and religious objections (that incidentally I find quite valid) to the rituals and oaths required to achieve Magisterhood in the Jade College, that have clearly taken time to come to terms with.
We don't know that she doesn't care for the title.

That does not really matter for the point I was making, if for reasons that seem good to her she is in no hurry to her the title than it makes less sense for Mathilde who is always in a hurry and strapping for every AP to spend one of those points in order to push her along.
 
Mathilde noted that Panoramia wasn't being exactly truthful about her lazing around in Winter. She's just less physically active and more mentally focused.

Also sometimes I think people underestimate the sheer scale of the project Panoramia is involved in. Feeding several tens of thousands of people from soil that was fairly damaged and neglected isn't that easy.
I wasn't dissing the scale of what she does... just the length of her to do list when compared to ours, and the fact that she effectively takes a couple of months "easy" every year. Sure it's not complete indolence, but compared to Mathilde's constant blistering pace, it may as well be.

Taking over her tasks is not something Mathilde can do, or has time for.
 
Mathilde too was ready long before she actually took the exams and was delaying because of her work. If somebody had freed her time she would probably would have been a magister atleast a couple of years earlier.

I meant more that she was done with the wrap up of the loremaster position within 6 months and not the 2 years theorized for Pan to finish the wrap up of her halfling job.
 
Mastery - Shadowrider: Your Shadowsteed is as familiar and easy to control as your own two legs. +5 Martial when mounted on a Shadowsteed, no penalty to rapid distance travel.
RE: Ringwraiths, I'd like to remind people that this bonus exists, and at least the last time I combed the thread a few months ago it has literally never been used. I could be mistaken about that, but I couldn't find a single instance in which it triggered. Given where we've spent most of our time the last few years, I think this largely makes sense, and if the Kurgan had created trouble we might have gotten some use out of it on the expedition - but we're headed off to play politics in a forest and a Karak. We also just got a personal gyro, which means we're not going to be riding quite so much as we used to.

Mind you, I do support apparitions and I'd be happy with red riders over nothing, I just think handmaidens are a better fit for what our future is looking like, and how the quest has shaken out so far.
 
RE: Ringwraiths, I'd like to remind people that this bonus exists, and at least the last time I combed the thread a few months ago it has literally never been used. I could be mistaken about that, but I couldn't find a single instance in which it triggered.

Mathilde rode the shadowsteed during the battle for the East Gates, but the martial bonus didn't directly apply because the battle used tabletop rules instead of CK2 rules.
 
RE: Ringwraiths, I'd like to remind people that this bonus exists, and at least the last time I combed the thread a few months ago it has literally never been used. I could be mistaken about that, but I couldn't find a single instance in which it triggered. Given where we've spent most of our time the last few years, I think this largely makes sense, and if the Kurgan had created trouble we might have gotten some use out of it on the expedition - but we're headed off to play politics in a forest and a Karak. We also just got a personal gyro, which means we're not going to be riding quite so much as we used to.

Mind you, I do support apparitions and I'd be happy with red riders over nothing, I just think handmaidens are a better fit for what our future is looking like, and how the quest has shaken out so far.
So one of the issues I have with 'handmaidens' (that isn't 'it's not a fucking ringwraith') is the assumption that they would be better assassins.

but assassins need a degree of subtlety and creative thinking, something apparitions are stated to be bad at... not so much as they would be bad at being a lab assistant true, but...

when it comes to turning Red riders into dusk riders, its basically giving them a paint job and giving them a few rules such as 'kill what I want you to kill, not just everything'.

otherwise, the Red riders are basically doing the things they would be doing anyway, 'ride down people' and 'cut people up'.

Handmaiden seems... a little more complicated? more points of failure if it doesn't work just like we want? something like that.
 
To be fair, we could probably use the Handmaidens to combo stealth kills, Shadow of Mordor style

I love the Nazgul aesthetic, but we can slide towards less canonical uses of wraiths.
 
Either way, it's more tools in our toolbox for solving problems. Having dusk riders gives us a fairly blunt tool for smashing through obstacles, that excels on open terrain. Having mist maidens gives us a close range murder whirlwind with some stealth ability.

Both will be useful, and both will be an extra body in any fight, which is always an advantage.
 
Honestly, I prefer Red Riders just because they cover something Mathilde isn't already really good at. Like, Mathilde is a decent fighter but she's a much better assassin, and most of her combat bonuses are better on foot. Not to mention any other Grey Wizards who might use it that are less combat oriented.

Also it might synergize better with Rite of Way, depending on if the summoning prevents us from using other spells.
 
My vote for Pan comes down to two things, really:

1) I like reading about Pan
2) We have no deadlines or urgent issues at the moment, so there's no real reason to think that anything else has a higher immediate priority. It can all wait until we get around to it.
 
Honestly, I prefer Red Riders just because they cover something Mathilde isn't already really good at. Like, Mathilde is a decent fighter but she's a much better assassin, and most of her combat bonuses are better on foot. Not to mention any other Grey Wizards who might use it that are less combat oriented.

Whilst I do agree with that, there's also something to be said for doubling down on the things we're good at. Imagine if we could create a couple of shadowclones every time we get into a duel with a vampire or something?
 
but assassins need a degree of subtlety and creative thinking, something apparitions are stated to be bad at... not so much as they would be bad at being a lab assistant true, but...
This is a fair point, but I do think they'd be more useful in application as 'suddenly mooks' even when we're casting battle magic and someone tries to gank us, than riders would be.
I agree that riders are uncomplicated, but given how much time we've spent fighting in situations totally unsuitable to cavalry, I'm just skeptical of how often they're going to benefit us as opposed to just sort of nebulously being around doing things.
 
+5 Martial when mounted on a Shadowsteed, no penalty to rapid distance travel.
RE: Ringwraiths, I'd like to remind people that this bonus exists, and at least the last time I combed the thread a few months ago it has literally never been used. I could be mistaken about that, but I couldn't find a single instance in which it triggered.
I hope that's not a complaint? I mean, the second part of the bonus alone we've used all the time- tireless fast terrain-ignoring travel has been a staggeringly powerful capability from the moment we acquired it.
As for the first bonus:
With coordination that would normally be far outside the capabilities of these constructs, three of the wolves split from the pack and intercept you before you can close with the bear and with unnatural strength they leap towards you as one. The first impales itself upon your greatsword, expiring with eerie silence as the Ulgu in your blade disrupts the spells that animate and bind it, but a second rakes filthy claws along your arm, and to your shock the claws sink through your magical armour and open long, bloody gashes in your forearm. It had absorbed some of the impact, or you'd have been clawed to the bone, but you've just figured out what at least part of the other spells present are doing. The third creature went for your steed, and if whatever passes for its mind is capable of confusion, it must surely be confused now as it dangles by its jaws from the uncaring Shadowsteed's neck.

[Mathilde vs Wolves Round 2: 57+26=83 vs 81+10=91]
[Mathilde vs Wolves Round 3: 94+26=120 vs 59+10=69]
During Alkharad's assault while escorting Rosie. You can see our Martial bonus at +26 when mounted, +21 when we dismounted to join the remaining (not-so-)Greatswords.
 
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It occurs to me that a cavalry charge across broken terrain plus 2-3 extra hero-level riders is an amazing 1-2 punch that would fit pretty closely with the naggarthi aesthetic.

Here's hoping that we spawn a new elite unity for the elves when we go take out vacation.
 
That's because we didn't see the first turn vote on the new job yet. For all we now it can be three forest fires stacked atop one another.

Pretty much yeah. We will be under the spotlight of the new project, we will be judged by the leaders of the elves with whom we have no history. They will not be cutting us any slack and 'I want to help my girlfriend stop procrastinating on her exam' is not what I would call urgent in that light. I do not think we will be able to justify the expense in terms of time spent.
 
Pretty much yeah. We will be under the spotlight of the new project, we will be judged by the leaders of the elves with whom we have no history. They will not be cutting us any slack and 'I want to help my girlfriend stop procrastinating on her exam' is not what I would call urgent in that light. I do not think we will be able to justify the expense in terms of time spent.

These are elves, with an elven sense of time, and this is our project. We do not, ultimately, answer to them: they need to keep us happy rather than the reverse.

If they want to make the case for urgency, it is on them to do so. I'm not going to just assume we should drop everything else to try and make a good impression.
 
These are elves, with an elven sense of time, and this is our project. We do not, ultimately, answer to them: they need to keep us happy rather than the reverse.

If they want to make the case for urgency, it is on them to do so. I'm not going to just assume we should drop everything else to try and make a good impression.

They are desperate elves, as witness the fact that they allied with the Ulricans and are allowing us access to their long held lore. i think they have made the case of urgency pretty clear in their deeds. More to the point I do not think it is a good look to go into your first day on a job with the mentality of 'well they are normally pretty methodical so we should not do our utmost to make a good impression'. The ball is in our court as the employee and we will be judged by how we play it.
 
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