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I think people are reading too much into something written without a unified vision of what the Colleges are supposed to be like. Realms of Sorcery feels inconsistent in general, but also seems, at times, to be more interested in evoking the atmosphere of old-fashioned conservative (sexist) academia than rational world building. Which is not an illegitimate choice to make, even if it's not what everyone is looking for.

The thing is the members of ordinary 'old-fashioned conservative academia' do not have the power to tear the guts out of reality. The feel they wanted to evoke goes directly counter to the function of the institution, making the IC leadership something between idiotic and insane.
 
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The problem with GW's world building isn't that there's sexism. It's that apparently there's so few women in the Colleges that no one seems to know what to do about them. That's nonsense, the Colleges want to grab as many potential wizards as possible and there's an equal distribution among the sexes.

Even if due to society there's less women in the Colleges, there's certainly more than enough to have a proper protocol in place.
Bear in mind that the same canon has the one in a thousand squared, that would as Mathilde puts it: "If that was the case, the Empire would have maybe thirty Wizards, and that's including recruiting from Tilea and Estalia-"

At which point I could see the colleges being shocked to have an apprentice at all, given wizard lifespans. "Wait, we have an apprentice again?"
 
Worldbuilding: Sexism causes women to receive worse treatment and have lower representation in respected institutions of power and learning.

Response: How dare they write society as sexist, don't they know that there's no practical reason why people of different sexes with the same abilities should be treated differently?
Actual problem, Collages not having dormitory for the women is not sexist. It is just stupid and inconsistent detail. Lets say it was true first years of the collages. But what about 180 years they had since? That is long enough to figure out what is a woman and how to house them (which is same way to house as men but whatever).

If I was writing this I would say number of female LM is far less than male LM and respect female magisters get is far less than their male counterparts with some places in the empire outright refusing to work with female magicians. Now that is sexist in a way true to IRL. Not some easy to correct detail that doesn't make sense.
 
Ontop of all of this. It's super easy to justify their being less sexism in the empire compared to similar history periods on earth.
 
this type of posting isn't better. while I don't agree with them, (see my post about the difference between writing about sexest settings and stupid sexism) this type of targeted 'call out' post, without any argument attracted, is just as, if not more toxic.
To late to delete now. But let me rephrase it into.

"This argument gets really old really fast after hearing it for the thousandth time when it comes to woman in media."
 
Two points: First, Gazul was the one to discover the glittering realm and runes, Thungni just did all the cool stuff.
Someone quoted Gunnars a few pages ago-
"A part close to our world, known as the 'Glittering Realm'. Thungni discovered it, and the secrets he found are held sacred by the Runelords. But Gazul of the Flame conquered it, and severed it from the rest of the Aethyr.
And there's this from a Runepriest.
"So," Kragg says, launching straight into conversation and leaving it to any listeners to catch up at their own pace. "Grungni discovered many of the Runes, and Thungni discovered most of the rest. But I've been reminded that it was Gazul that discovered the Runes of Grungni, Valaya, and Grimnir. And, of course, the Rune of Gazul." Gunnars nods in confirmation.
Thungni found it, Gazul severed it. Runes were discovered by both, seemingly acting separately.
 
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Bear in mind that the same canon has the one in a thousand squared, that would as Mathilde puts it: "If that was the case, the Empire would have maybe thirty Wizards, and that's including recruiting from Tilea and Estalia-"

At which point I could see the colleges being shocked to have an apprentice at all, given wizard lifespans. "Wait, we have an apprentice again?"
Being fair, the thousand squared thing is not an actual thing in the book, it's something that Boney mentioned as passed around the fandom. The book itself says something like "the most learned agree one in a thousand has the potential to learn magic".

Boney adds a few more qualifiers here, reducing it to one in 30k becoming Magister or higher, but in exchange Boney seems to make the world a little bit less grim. In the sense that the book constantly mentions how potential wizards get burnt at the stake so often that I'm surprised there are any Wizards at all. Every single paragraph in Realms of Sorcery 2E mentions how everyone hates and is distrustful of magic and wouldn't mind to burn a Wizard, any Wizard at all, just because they hate magic so much.
 
Yes, but low level proliferation is the norm for most other trades. All Dwarves are expected to have basic competence in mining, metalworking, combat, and their Clan's speciality. It's only the Runesmiths that protect every facet of the trade instead of just the high level stuff.
I can imagine some cheeky Rhunkit suggesting to a Cult of Thungni representative that the basics of Runesmithing should also be taught freely to all young Dawi. (If they're descendants of Thungni.) Which will probably go about as well as you'd expect. :p
 
I can imagine some cheeky Rhunkit suggesting to a Cult of Thungni representative that the basics of Runesmithing should also be taught freely to all young Dawi. (If they're descendants of Thungni.) Which will probably go about as well as you'd expect. :p
Honestly, depending on what dwarfs can actually do with those basics, it wouldn't be a bad idea.
 
I can imagine some cheeky Rhunkit suggesting to a Cult of Thungni representative that the basics of Runesmithing should also be taught freely to all young Dawi. (If they're descendants of Thungni.) Which will probably go about as well as you'd expect. :p
I am actually hoping it would work like that in the future with Rhunkit stuff becoming pre-apprentice study. I doubt it will happen but hope springs eternal.
 
Note that Boney has pointedly and repeatedly stated that the whole Rhunkit being a thing was entirely out of desperation and deemed a perfectly suitable reason for the apprentices who taught them to commit suicide by daemon. Now that the situation which warranted said desperation is over, they're probably going to cut way back on teaching new people. In fact, they'll probably let the Guilds come in and try to sort out who should have been taught and who shouldn't have--probably depending on their relation to the original Runesmithing clans or just raw ability if they're lucky--make those people proper Apprentices, and let all the other Rhunkit just die out over a generation or two. At least, assuming reasonable compromise on both sides.
 
Note that Boney has pointedly and repeatedly stated that the whole Rhunkit being a thing was entirely out of desperation and deemed a perfectly suitable reason for the apprentices who taught them to commit suicide by daemon. Now that the situation which warranted said desperation is over, they're probably going to cut way back on teaching new people. In fact, they'll probably let the Guilds come in and try to sort out who should have been taught and who shouldn't have--probably depending on their relation to the original Runesmithing clans or just raw ability if they're lucky--make those people proper Apprentices, and let all the other Rhunkit just die out over a generation or two. At least, assuming reasonable compromise on both sides.
The apprentices were breaching oaths at the time. The Rhunkit have sworn no such oaths, and therefore are in no way bound by them, so it's perfectly possible for them to believe that the apprentices were right to die, and yet still believe that the knowledge of the Rhunkit should be propagated more than the Cult of Thungni allowed.

It'd be an odd belief, but I don't think it's outside of the realms of possibility - that they'd believe the oath was wrong, but the person had to die for breaching even a bad oath.
 
Ontop of all of this. It's super easy to justify their being less sexism in the empire compared to similar history periods on earth.

One really annoying thing about the 2nd edition RPG (not sure how 4th handles it) is that it is annoyingly inconsistent about how sexist the Empire is. Most of the time it's never stated what the status of women as a whole is in various institutions. One instance where I think it works is in regards to politics forcing the Cult of Ulric into celibacy, resulting in it internalizing sexism and marginalizing woman.

On the other hand we have the whole Collage business, and where the single female Elector Count in Karl Franz's time is an extremely sexist stereotype of a decedent woman in power.

Besides making the Empire egalitarian, another way to play could be to position its stance between Kislev and Brettonia, whereas Kislev tilts strongly to equality between both genders, and Brittonia who heavily pigeonholes men and women's roles in society.
 
Like... why seriously? It's like the people who wrote this cannot get basic worldbilding. Half the population is women, they are just as likely to express magic with all its dangers and opportunities as men. This is not something that any reasonable institution for training wizards would miss, much less one that was founded by Teclis, an elf. Unless the writer of the above segment wants to argue that Teclis is irrationally sexist this makes no sense and that is not even going into things like the Jades and Ambers being preexistence orders with no gender bias.
There's literally female LMs. If the Colleges had been shit to them during their Apprentice years they would do something to fix that, even of it requires blasting a few male Magisters in the face.
I'm sorry but I'm just gonna have to rip into this ignorance right here

You are telling me, that out of the hundreds of Magisters and thousands of members of the Colleges that next to none of them are women?
That the very idea of a woman in one of the Colleges is so unprecedented that they don't even have a dormatory for them? They've just never encountered the idea before?

Magic talent does not discriminate between gender, so with roughly equal numbers of potential recruits within the whole Empire, you are telling me that thousands of men manage avoid the stake long enough to find their way to the Colleges but virtually every single woman is killed
Because the lore detail people are annoyed about isn't that the women are outnumbered 3 to 1, or 10 to 1
Or that men occupy more higher positions than women

The lore detail asserts that women are so rare that they have no existing accomodations for them at all, and just get shoved into random converted storage rooms for lack of any better solution
8 Colleges that have been operating for almost 200 years at this point, with thousands (Minor talents and perpetuals included) of members, and in all that time women have been so damn rare that they've never set up any proper housing for them at all

That isn't just sexist writing, that's mindbogglingly stupid and makes no sense
It's not the writing that is sexist. It's that the writer tried to depict sexism (to add to the grimdark) but didn't use their brain while doing so and also didn't have any actual conscious experience of everyday sexism to be able to organically include it without mangling it. Like when an author tries to write fantasy racism but has no idea what it actually looks like and you just pity his inability to ask a friend or co-worker with some actual real life experience.
What does a Sky-Thane do?
Lead Sky-Throngs. I'm pretty sure that if someone somehow managed to convince a bunch of K8P Dwarves to use flying mounts or magic carpets or whatever that Gotri would automatically get jurisdiction, even if he has no clue about them.
Note that Boney has pointedly and repeatedly stated that the whole Rhunkit being a thing was entirely out of desperation and deemed a perfectly suitable reason for the apprentices who taught them to commit suicide by daemon. Now that the situation which warranted said desperation is over, they're probably going to cut way back on teaching new people. In fact, they'll probably let the Guilds come in and try to sort out who should have been taught and who shouldn't have--probably depending on their relation to the original Runesmithing clans or just raw ability if they're lucky--make those people proper Apprentices, and let all the other Rhunkit just die out over a generation or two. At least, assuming reasonable compromise on both sides.
I'm not so sure I share your interpretation of BoneyM's WoG. He said it in the context of them not being interested in becoming assembly line style mass producers. But the Apprentices in question committed "right and proper" suicide because of their oath breaking, which is always considered perfectly suitable, whether it involves Runes or not.
 
If one was feeling charitable they could say that 2e's "women wizards????" thing was a holdover from 1e where there were a lot more legitimate options for magic-users, so the Orders were more upper-class academia magic than the only legitimate secular option for magic. Or they could say it was allowing for the roleplay option of a woman wizard PC running into institutional sexism and tearing it asunder. Personally I might be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for:
Some scholars who are given to ponder such things speculate peasants and the like are quicker to burn those women who do show some Aethyric ability. Likewise, some claim women do not possess the sensibilities to mould magic, or concentrate on their study long enough to gain the necessary languages, skills, and knowledge required to shape spells. While the former claim has more than a grain of truth to it, the latter is complete nonsense. Aethyric ability makes no distinction between the genders

If it were not for them going on in the same sidebar to:
As a side note, it is worth noting several colleges have quite formidable and terrifying matrons dictating the domestic arrangements. While they have no magical powers, their abilities to manipulate Wizard Lords, remove stains, and feed veritable armies of picky spellcasters does border on the supernatural.

Talk about tone-deaf. "Don't worry girls, you might be excluded from the halls of power, but you are really good at cleaning them!!!" Ugh.
 
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