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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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glyph said:
Could someone translate the new titles we got?
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Waaaghdrengi - Waaghslayer this one is easy
Karag Zangunaz Vengryni - Volcano/Barren Mountain Vampire Avenger? I have no idea what that means. Is this supposed to be about Karak Vlag? Ah, it's about Castle Drakenhof . Right.
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Rhunkit -Rhunki + it i suppose. Petty Runesmiths. Shouldn't it have to "i"s? Right now it sounds like "small/simple runes".
 
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Chopak said:
Rhunkit -Rhunki + it i suppose. Petty Runesmiths. Shouldn't it have to "i"s. Right now it sounds like "small/simple runes".
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Khazalid doesn't put vowels together. The grammatically correct way to fix this is to put a k or a g between them, but when they're the same vowel it's not uncommon to just drop the extra vowel instead in casual speech.
 
As I see it the Cult of Thungni has 3 options.
  1. Declare a grudge against Vlag and campaign to have them lumped in the same bag as the chaos dwarfs.
  2. Ignore it and feel that constant sense of shame from failing Thungni
  3. Make a concerted effort to apprentice every Rhunkit until they are all are properly part of the Cult of Thungni
 
fictionfan said:
As I see it the Cult of Thungni has 3 options.
  1. Declare a grudge against Vlag and campaign to have them lumped in the same bag as the chaos dwarfs.
  2. Ignore it and feel that constant sense of shame from failing Thungni
  3. Make a concerted effort to apprentice every Rhunkit until they are all are properly part of the Cult of Thungni
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They are probably going to take option two, there is no central authority that could ram one or three through for the majority so the default of 'do nothing' wins.
 
BoneyM said:
The Rhunkit are not part of the Cult of Thungni or the Guild of Runesmiths, but the Cult of Thungni argues that all practitioners of Runesmithing are under their jurisdiction. Karak Vlag seems to disagree.
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Ah...I see the conundrum.
They swore no oaths, have taken no initiations, and those who might be grudged with the breach are long since stone, having done so under the actions of the Four.

As far as laws are concerned, they're green. Heck, they hadn't learned anything beyond Apprentice level craft, everything they know they discovered for themselves!

The Cult is left with Tradition, but they do not share a tradition. The Cult of Thungi cannot shame or socially pressure those trapped alone within Slaanesh's grasp for generations.
They cannot impose economic sanctions on an autarky.
They'd have to be insane to wage war on a dwarfhold which had been under siege by daemons for centuries, nevermind the social consequences of striking at a returned Lost Old Hold .


And yet if they tolerated it, it would be a Precedent, they would have to establish an exception.

Man, this must give them a giant ulcer...cursed with fortune indeed.
 
fictionfan said:
As I see it the Cult of Thungni has 3 options.
  1. Declare a grudge against Vlag and campaign to have them lumped in the same bag as the chaos dwarfs.
  2. Ignore it and feel that constant sense of shame from failing Thungni
  3. Make a concerted effort to apprentice every Rhunkit until they are all are properly part of the Cult of Thungni
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The third one would be astonishingly difficult. A third of 20k Dwarves are Rhunkit, that's around 6667 Rhunkit. That's probably the same amount of Runesmiths across the Karaz Ankor, maybe more.
 
Man I really really want to talk to Kragg or Thorek about this Rhunkit business


Codex said:
The third one would be astonishingly difficult. A third of 20k Dwarves are Rhunkit, that's around 6667 Rhunkit. That's probably the same amount of Runesmiths across the Karaz Ankor, maybe more.
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Thorek Hufflepuff: I'll take the lot
 
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IronFist said:
Politically, The King of an Newly reclaimed Old Hold marrying a person from Vlag would probably be quite a "welcome back" statement. A woman from Vlag probably does not have issues like "choose not to inflict the world on a fifth child", which makes Belegar more likely to end up with a near Kazadorian number of offspring.
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In all fairness the not inflict the world stuff has to be going away now. The catalysis for despair was the end of the Silver Age marked by Vlag being yeeted into the Warp.

Now Karak Eight Peaks is reclaimed, Vlag is back, the Karaz Ankor is more connected than ever and a whole host of grudges in Sylvania have been struck. This may very well be the best time for the Dawi in the past 3000 years.
 
In general I think that all the Ancestor gods cults got a shakeup, even if to a lesser extent than Thungni. Valaya is also the goddess of brewing and home, but the brewing tradition was lost during their time in the warp and how they treat and how they treat familial relations and sex was changed. Grungi is the god of mines and artisans according to Tome of Salvation, but it seems that farming was one of their most important vocations etc.
 
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SITB said:
In general I think that all the Ancestor gods cults got a shakeup, even if to a lesser extent than Thungni. Valaya is also the goddess of brewing and home, but the brewing tradition was lost during their time in the warp and how they treat and how they treat familial relations and sex was changed. Grungi is the god of mines and artisans according to Tome of Salvation, but it seems that farming was one of their most important vocation.
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Gazul is probably fine, the rites of the dead would not have changed.
 
Codex said:
The third one would be astonishingly difficult. A third of 20k Dwarves are Rhunkit, that's around 6667 Rhunkit. That's probably the same amount of Runesmiths across the Karaz Ankor, maybe more.
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At the same time this is potential 6k rune priests that they can manage.
even if they can only get around half of them trained properly this is a major increase in strength for the dwarven nation, and the cult of thungni as a whole.
 
moon-llama said:
At the same time this is potential 6k rune priests that they can manage.
even if they can only get around half of them trained properly this is a major increase in strength for the dwarven nation, and the cult of thungni as a whole.
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Since when has simple utility moved conservative dwarfs?

What I would like to know is how easy it is for them to make those lamps and how long they last for, because if the economics check out those would be a hell of a trade good with Kislev or the Empire. There are all sorts of professions where a source of steady light that is not a fire hazard would be a major boon.
 
Zero Gravitas said:
In all fairness the not inflict the world stuff has to be going away now. The catalysis for despair was the end of the Silver Age marked by Vlag being yeeted into the Warp.

Now Karak Eight Peaks is reclaimed, Vlag is back, the Karaz Ankor is more connected than ever and a whole host of grudges in Sylvania have been struck. This may very well be the best time for the Dawi in the past 3000 years.
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The Mathilde Age.

I don't think it's going to change any time soon, even though it's the best time in 3000 years. A lot of that baggage is cultural, and that has thousands of years of inertia.
 
Ya know, Kragg was never willing to take an apprentice before.... But we've got about six thousand candidates who proved they can do the work in the face of being literally transplanted to the warp. Wonder if we could speculate loudly at him enough to go see if he thinks any of them are worthwhile.
 
Man, this was a super cool update.

I'll note that their tunneling down and farming for survival is almost exactly what Johann proposed that the Norse Dwarves could have done to survive, so this demonstrates the feasibility of that idea. Maybe in a hundred years we could go and have a second look.

The Rhunkit open up an incredible opportunity, if an extremely fraught one. If the Cult of Thungni accepts that the Rhunkit's knowledge is no longer the sole domain of the Runesmiths, that's an extraordinary precedent to set. It opens up the possibility of the Rhunkit teaching what they know to others, and basic knowledge of Runesmithing getting out, without violating their strictures (and thus obliging them to hunt down those with the knowledge.)

If we wait until after the precedent is set - and it's going to have to be, there's no other viable course to take - we can ask to learn the basics and not be caught afoul of those strictures. We'd probably want to keep it quiet to avoid upsetting them, but it wouldn't be grounds for any backlash beyond irritation. Hell, the Empire could learn about it this way.

it's extremely likely that it straight up will not work without Thungni's blood, or they'd have taught it to them too, but just understanding the basic mechanisms might open up some very interesting lines of research.
 
Zero Gravitas said:
More like 200 years - things were not as bad before Vlag disappeared.
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The silver age was not a good time either: the holds' population were withering, and towards the end of Alric's reign, things weren't looking all that good
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Although he returned victoriously, High King Alriksson's mind was uneasy. The other holds had not answered the call to arms with as many warriors as he had hoped. The Everlasting Realm felt separated by more than just distance and foes. Each stronghold was preoccupied with its own troubles, and he even suspected some of his royal cousins had fallen to the gold-sickness, a disease that, if unchecked, ended in isolationism and madness, misers starving to death upon hoarded piles of gold.


Glau said:
Ya know, Kragg was never willing to take an apprentice before.... But we've got about six thousand candidates who proved they can do the work in the face of being literally transplanted to the warp. Wonder if we could speculate loudly at him enough to go see if he thinks any of them are worthwhile.
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That would really really chafe the other Runesmiths something fierce.
 
Glau said:
Ya know, Kragg was never willing to take an apprentice before.... But we've got about six thousand candidates who proved they can do the work in the face of being literally transplanted to the warp. Wonder if we could speculate loudly at him enough to go see if he thinks any of them are worthwhile.
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Jesus christ, sounds like playing with gasoline in a firework shop. There are a lot more ways that goes dramatically wrong and we accidentally insult what he views as proper runesmithing than it goes right.
 
Polyamory not unknown to dwarf. I mean their goddess have two husbands. But this tradition became rare from their golden age. So there are precedents for this.
 
BoneyM said:
"Mathilde!" Eike exclaims as she finally notices you, and from the corner of your eye you notice the heads popping up and around furniture to take note of the visitor.
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Apprentice rumor mill talking about "new one" being on a first-name basis with a Lady Magister in 3..2..1

Zero Gravitas said:
In all fairness the not inflict the world stuff has to be going away now. The catalysis for despair was the end of the Silver Age marked by Vlag being yeeted into the Warp.

Now Karak Eight Peaks is reclaimed, Vlag is back, the Karaz Ankor is more connected than ever and a whole host of grudges in Sylvania have been struck. This may very well be the best time for the Dawi in the past 3000 years.
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Norse dwarves are still dead and their holds' destruction was another major tragedy signifying the end of the Silver Age.
 
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