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Potentially interesting thought here: this either means that being a runesmith doesn't actually require the sort of mystical mutation required for Human/halfling/skaven mages and priests, despite it coming with magesense, OR that the population of Karak Vlag has at least 1/3rd people who have a windsense mutation.

The latter would normally be implausible, but with them actually being inside the Aethyr a growing proportion of windsense is far from the strangest outcome.
hypothetically, they could also have stopped restricting who the descendants of the runesmith clans can marry.
With shorter generation length, whatever genetic component there is to runesmithing would have spread far and wide.
 
I think people are getting a bit too excited about what Kragg might think - remember, he's the epitome of "if there isn't anyone worthy of the knowledge, it should die out", with the harshest and least compromising standards of all.

So I think it's extremely unlikely for him to be well disposed towards the idea of some apprentices having spread the half-baked basics across a full third of a hold.
Thorek might be a better bet. He had Opinions on Dum that could translate
 
There's another interesting thing that could happen here. Would the rune pokers be willing to teach other dwarves basic runelore? For example, someImperial Dwarves may not feel bound by the structures of the Cult of Thungni, and I could see some radical Engineers beings interested in combining basic runes with their prototypes. Presumably some of them are descended from Thungni.
 
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This was an incredibly charming update on both sides of the coin and a real pleasure to wake up to see.

Also, I would like to issue a general apology to everyone with whom I argued about what "Runepoker" meant, you were right and I was wrong.
"Thank you for satisfying my curiousity."
curiousity -> curiosity (and jeez I need to get back to my proofreading reread, don't I)

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those that new a little
new -> knew (sorry @BoneyM for the ping, but I didn't want to make this one its own post and wanted to be sure you saw it after the edit)
 
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There's another interesting thing that could happen here. Would the rune pokers be willing to teach other dwarves basic runelore? For example, someImperial Dwarves may not feel bound by the structures of the Cult of Thungni, and I could see some radical Engineers beings interested in combining basic runes with their prototypes.
A leap too far. They admit themselves they've lost basically all the runelore. They were there as mass dispel squads and kept the lights on
 
For example, someImperial Dwarves may not feel bound by the structures of the Cult of Thungni,
Remember that runesmithing capability is genetic- I'd imagine the cult of thungni has spent the last 2000 years sneaking up on every imperial dwarf with a drop of thungnificence in them and getting them oathbound
 
Remember that runesmithing capability is genetic- I'd imagine the cult of thungni has spent the last 2000 years sneaking up on every imperial dwarf with a drop of thungnificence in them and getting them oathbound
Given as 1/3rd of Vlags current population is traceably descended from Thungni despite all their runelords and runesmiths dying, I highly doubt the Cult of Thungni has cast a wide enough net on the Imperial Dwarfs.
 
I'm pretty sure there are rules about the exact bloodline tracing required to become a Runesmith, and that Karak Vlag essentially stepped all over it to get that many people. Perhaps they literally just took anyone who had even the slightest ability, whereas the Cult only takes people who have the potential to be a full on Runesmith.
 
I wonder how Snorri feels about this. On one hand, Karak Vlag was rescued on the other hand he probably finds them really weird.
 
I think people are getting a bit too excited about what Kragg might think - remember, he's the epitome of "if there isn't anyone worthy of the knowledge, it should die out", with the harshest and least compromising standards of all.

So I think it's extremely unlikely for him to be well disposed towards the idea of some apprentices having spread the half-baked basics across a full third of a hold.
He is also a big fan of Dwarfholds surviving - "I'll die choking on my own blood before I let it be eight again" and all that.
 
Mathilde Goes For It AU
"I've got plenty of tastes without having to acquire more," he says with a shrug. "Oh, as one Loremaster to another, could you answer a question of culture of this Empire of yours?"

"Of course."

"Would it be inappropriate to invite a visitor from the Empire to share an intimate night with my wife and brother-husband?"

AU- Mathilde goes for it:

Mathilde paused, her thoughts scattered and her well-practiced composure holding on by a thread. The loremaster only raised an eyebrow in response, but that simple action suddenly carried an *entirely* different set of implications than it would have a sentence ago.

Buy time, she thought to herself.

"Wouldn't such an invitation run afoul of the strictures about not letting unknown people past your lines of defenses?" She asked, 'especially for purposes of fornication' unspoken but very loud in her head.

"Well," the (relatively young and relatively quite handsome) dwarf smiled back at her, his strong fingers stroking luxurious chestnut chin-locks, "that is one reason we have a few chambers just outside the line. And once one is known, of course one would be allowed deeper, into the more... intimate... areas."

The rumble and burr of his voice as he lingered over the last few words caught her just below her stomach, and she swallowed hard.

"I, um, well, I can't speak for any others, but I have a partner waiting for me back in Karak Eightpeaks, and I can't just-"

"Oh ho! Of course, such things must be negotiated, it would not do for darker passions to be kindled. He? She? Would be welcome. One does not simply throw away food that is not to one's tastes after all, better to share until everyone has something they desire."

"She, and I think I could persuade her to come take a look, she's one to want to see what could be put in your deeper caverns... Would you really ask her as well?"

"I would hand you the message to take myself!"

Mathilde pictured herself handing her sweet, wicked, saucey, *jade* journey woman of a girlfriend an engraved invitation to an interspecieces five-some, and her face went hot. Knowing her, she'd probably push for it, something about 'getting her over her hangups' and 'teaching her how much *fun* bedplay can be' or something like that. The thought quickly led to picturing what such a lesson might entail, and the heat in her face redoubled.

"But-! But we are both wizards, and dwarves with the winds and-"

"Oh, don't worry about that. I've some skill as a rhunkit myself, I know a thing or three about stroking and tweaking those energies. Is that a yes, then, I hear?"

If it were possible to blush so hard it stole your speech, Mathilde would have been silent. Instead, she could only tug down the brim of her hat and give a soft squeaked reply.

"...yes."
 
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I think people are getting a bit too excited about what Kragg might think - remember, he's the epitome of "if there isn't anyone worthy of the knowledge, it should die out", with the harshest and least compromising standards of all.

So I think it's extremely unlikely for him to be well disposed towards the idea of some apprentices having spread the half-baked basics across a full third of a hold.
Hmm. I mean, he's not going to be happy. He's going to disapprove above his normal background level.

But Kragg does have a practical streak, and he's discovered how very much he likes a Karaz Ankor that's greater today than yesterday. They've survived through harrowing circumstances and managed to grow in those times. It's a mighty deed and a hopeful sign.

I'm not sure he could bring himself to teach them, but I don't think he'd be against someone else making sure they don't muck things up too much and finish their education.
Given as 1/3rd of Vlags current population is traceably descended from Thungni despite all their runelords and runesmiths dying, I highly doubt the Cult of Thungni has cast a wide enough net on the Imperial Dwarfs.
The availability of candidates for pupils has never been a problem. The issue is finding teachers.
 
The third one would be astonishingly difficult. A third of 20k Dwarves are Rhunkit, that's around 6667 Rhunkit. That's probably the same amount of Runesmiths across the Karaz Ankor, maybe more.
If there are more than a thousand fully trained Runesmiths in the Karaz Ankor I would be surprised.

Thinking about it Thorek is probably having a simultaneous religious experience and existential-crisis. His big thing is that everything can, and should, be done with Runes. And here is a Hold that basically does everything with Runes. Except that did it by throwing away all the traditions of the cult. All the restrictions and quality controls. All the secrecy and monopoly.
Should he help them? Should he try to bring them back into the fold? Should he follow their example?
 
The Runekids-Thungni issue will probably end with some kind of compromise, where Cult will tolerate them, but they are not allowed to pass the knowledge to those not vetted by the Cult.
 
The Runekids-Thungni issue will probably end with some kind of compromise, where Cult will tolerate them, but they are not allowed to pass the knowledge to those not vetted by the Cult.
Or the runkhit will tell them to fuck off and let them do their thing in peace. After surviving for 200 years by discarding the traditions, I doubt the runkhit will accept to be restricted like that.
I guess we'll see.
 
The Runekids-Thungni issue will probably end with some kind of compromise, where Cult will tolerate them, but they are not allowed to pass the knowledge to those not vetted by the Cult.

Their current attitude to the Cult of Thungi seems to be 'fuck your rules you can go to the warp and deal with Slaanesh if you are so great'. I do not think Vlag is conceptually willing or able to compromise in this. They are still dwarfs.
 
The Runekids-Thungni issue will probably end with some kind of compromise, where Cult will tolerate them, but they are not allowed to pass the knowledge to those not vetted by the Cult.
i don't see it.

The cult claims to have authority over those that have rune knowledge, but very little to back it up: Making close to seven thousand dwarfs swear an oath they don't want to swear is not going to happen.

You can't un-ring a bell: the knowledge is out.

I don't envy whoever has to mediate this issue.

Rhunkit are free to teach whatever knowledge they have to whoever they want, and nothing the cult of Thungni says can change that.

Poor Thorgrim.

Edit: what if the Rhunkit decide to teach whatever they know to other dwarfs that meet their lowered requirements, out of spite? I'm sure there are plenty that have been passed over being taught due to the teacher's selectivity.
 
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i don't see it.

The cult claims to have authority over those that have rune knowledge, but very little to back it up: Making close to seven thousand dwarfs swear an oath they don't want to swear is not going to happen.

You can't un-ring a bell: the knowledge is out.

I don't envy whoever has to mediate this issue.

Rhunkit are free to teach whatever knowledge they have to whoever they want, and nothing the cult of Thungni says can change that.

Poor Thorgrim.
There's also the fact that Thorgim's authority and their relationship is unclear. He clearly has some, because the Throne with its rune of eternity and the Damaz Kron is important. But there's no royal family, and none of them were around when he got sworn in.
 
Hmm. I mean, he's not going to be happy. He's going to disapprove above his normal background level.

But Kragg does have a practical streak, and he's discovered how very much he likes a Karaz Ankor that's greater today than yesterday. They've survived through harrowing circumstances and managed to grow in those times. It's a mighty deed and a hopeful sign.

I'm not sure he could bring himself to teach them, but I don't think he'd be against someone else making sure they don't muck things up too much and finish their education.
Kragg declined our invitation to work with AV, citing his belief that any future the Karaz Ankor has will be found in the past. I don't think he'll truck with the Rhunkit on any level.
 
Positive attitude? Republic ruler ship? Widespread rune use potentially with willingness to research more? Sexually active?

This is almost looking like Karaz Ankor 2: Rune Poker Boogaloo given a few centuries.

Between Vlag and Azul, it really does look like though dwarves can be ground down over time, put them under too much pressure and you get diamonds. Thank you Slaanesh.

I wonder if they've got many tailors left? I would love to introduce these guys to the We.

Wild update.
 
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