That sounds like the kind of spell that could produce a burrito, honestly.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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I could see Ulgu doing the Endurance of the Berserker type effect, where wounds stop being a penalty in any way - but are still there underneath, it's just that a hole that has been closed by an illusion doesn't bleed, etc.
When the spell wears off, or is overwhelmed by the sheer amount of wounds it needs to hide, everything comes back all at once, quite possibly causing death.
Very much not healing, but in a combat situation it might look similar. Kinda like Shyish's Death's Door spell but longer duration and works on damage, but not on instant death effects.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
Another possibility might be using Ulgu's poorly-defined temporal manipulation stuff to 'delay' injuries, Granny Weatherwax style. You get hit, cut, burnt, etc, and it doesn't do anything at the time- but an hour, or a day or whenever later the injury hits you full force.
AzureShogun
Tanks are better than Mechs
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Is this stuff still available as a Project or is it locked behined the Loremaster-at-Large Megaproject option?
I really liked our interactions with Cython and Deathfang so far, but I'm also kinda miffed that we messed up the kill on the Greater Slannesh Demon AND the Champion of Khorne we fought, so I wouldn't be opposed if we had the opportunity to duke it out with the fire-dragons if diplomacy wasn't possible.
Seems like a win-win to stick our nose into this situation either way.
In fact, doing some Loremaster-at-Large stuff could constitute gathering help/interest from local runesmiths and runelords for the Waystone Project. Might sound a bit fetch-quest-y but if anyone could make that work it's BoneyM.
This is me begging for fetch-quests through the Karaz Ankor by the way
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Is this stuff still available as a Project or is it locked behined the Loremaster-at-Large Megaproject option?
I really liked our interactions with Cython and Deathfang so far, but I'm also kinda miffed that we messed up the kill on the Greater Slannesh Demon AND the Champion of Khorne we fought, so I wouldn't be opposed if we had the opportunity to duke it out with the fire-dragons if diplomacy wasn't possible.
Seems like a win-win to stick our nose into this situation either way.
In fact, doing some Loremaster-at-Large stuff could constitute gathering help/interest from local runesmiths and runelords for the Waystone Project. Might sound a bit fetch-quest-y but if anyone could make that work it's BoneyM.
This is me begging for fetch-quests through the Karaz Ankor by the way
Probably won't be an option. The thread decided what to focus on and it wasn't that.
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How about heterogenous paste?
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That sounds a lot like glamour in Pact.
I think they are asking if it would be a potential option if we pick "interact with more Dragons" as a side project/hobby or something like that.
So here is a question.
for most of the quest, when it came to "higher-ups that keep their eye on us and that we have to explain ourselves to when we 'Mathy things up' in the grey college" I would have said 1: The Bursar for most things, and then 2: the Patriarch when we really up to shit.
but who would be the 'middle management' between us and the boss now with the waystone project? the guy we give updates and would ask for help for the 'smaller' or technical stuff. the provost? (because of the DIP needs) the senior fellow? (their job is coordination between the colleges and academic institutions, and we are a branch college, in name right now, but a branch collage) or was the boss being literal when he said that he was taking a personal interest?
for most of the quest, when it came to "higher-ups that keep their eye on us and that we have to explain ourselves to when we 'Mathy things up' in the grey college" I would have said 1: The Bursar for most things, and then 2: the Patriarch when we really up to shit.
but who would be the 'middle management' between us and the boss now with the waystone project? the guy we give updates and would ask for help for the 'smaller' or technical stuff. the provost? (because of the DIP needs) the senior fellow? (their job is coordination between the colleges and academic institutions, and we are a branch college, in name right now, but a branch collage) or was the boss being literal when he said that he was taking a personal interest?
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Literally anything is a potential option if you frame it with the thread explicitly voting to turn its focus towards it, so that is not really a meaningful question.
There is no middle management. The buck stops with Mathilde. If she encounters a problem that she cannot overcome, and she cannot call in enough favours or pull enough strings or make enough deals to bring in someone who can overcome it, then the project fails.
then what does 'full backing of the grey collage' mean?
I didn't mean 'who do we go crying too' I meant 'who's job would it be to keep an eye on us, or listen to/get it organized for us when we are forking over the cash or favour for stuff we need'
It would be Mathilde's job.
that legitimately doesn't make sense for what I think I'm asking. so obviously I'm asking the question wrong. but im to tired to figure out whats happening here, so I'll drop it.
edit: I was just wondering who is the main point of contact between Mathy/waystone project and the Grey collage.
your answer 'Mathilde's job' doesn't make sense, or in practice means 'the Patriarch'
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Why is Mathilde talking to the Grey College? Is it about their money? Then she talks to the Bursars office, or directly to Wilhelmine if it's serious enough. Is it about politics that involves them? Then she'll talk to Krammovitch or one of his subordinates. Is it about their security? Reiner Starke.
If it's about the Waystone project in a way that doesn't involve the Grey College then she shouldn't be bothering the Grey College. She's a Lady Magister, she's trusted to have her own projects.
EDIT: If she forks over favour, she forks it over to whatever organisation she's making a request of, same with cash. If she's hiring the Grey College that'll be the Bursar.
And no-one's going to be keeping an eye on her from the Grey College, because they trusted her enough to promote to LM. The Light College might be watching though....
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Mathilde is a Lady Magister. There's only one person that outranks her in the Grey College, and he's not going to be spending his days looking over Mathilde's shoulder. If there's something that someone else needs to know, it's Mathilde's responsibility to let them know. If there's something she wants, then she has to reach out to the person that can supply it. If usable results are produced, then Mathilde should publish them.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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That's pretty much my understanding too, with the additional caveat that Mathilde will probably be making semi-regular reports on the project's progress and what she learns to Algard. Not so he can direct and order her, just to keep him (and by extension the Greys) appraised of the progress she is or isn't making.
Edit: Mathilde'd
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because my experience with organizations and projects is that its way more effective to have someone that you talk to unless is gets to the 'serious enough' stage.
having one person that is the usual point of call helps avoid confusion as that person will have at least some idea about the border needs of the project, is more secure, and allows a smoother operation.
Sorry, Again its just my own experience with abroad projects confusing me.
generally, the boss isn't going to personally keep an eye on a project in the US, so someone in the office is the 'point of contact' even if they are in a completely different department. sometimes they are a higher up. sometimes a peer. most of the time your going to lower on the totem if you're getting that job.
but they are just the person that gets the messages and sends them one to other people in the office and helps with most problems unless it does need to go up because its better to have that one person be involved each time then connecting different people about the same thing.
e.g when I was a point of content and someone need paperwork faxed on from 4 different people, they connected me, I emailed the other people, they emailed it back to me and then I sent it all on.
it was extra steps yes, but I was the one that was always doing so for the US team so it avoids possible confusion that can happen contacting them separately.
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Dermonster
The Shittiest Wizard
We've spent so long under others employ that I feel like some are a bit confused now that we're under our own.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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Mathilde doesn't need a contact in the Grey College, she is one.
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That would make sense if this project were associated with the Grey College in any way outside Mathilde, but it's not. You might as well ask who Mathilde's standard point of contact is in Marienburg.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
The person who knows about the broader needs of the project is Mathilde. It's her project, not the college's, and if she reaches out for help it's not to the college as a whole but to the specific individuals in the positions or with the knowledge she needs. She's not middle-management here, she's the director, and the Grey college isn't an organisation that assigns people to help her based on her requests but instead a vast web of specialists that each function as an individual company/supplier, and are contacted and treated with as such.
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The point you seem to be missing is that this isn't a Grey College project, this is a Mathilde Project.
The Boss is Mathilde.
She's not a project lead on a Grey College project, the Grey College aren't involved any more than whatever school/university you went to is involved in your job.
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As good an idea as it might be, an early Renaissance guild of wizardry is not implementing modern streamlined administrative techniques. It might be incredibly inconvenient for Mathilde to have to figure out where Magister Schmuckatelli is and physically go to that place if there's something she needs from him, but that's how things are done.
(if you read about science done in our own equivalent of that era, you find lots of things along the lines of 'Dr X sent a letter to Professor Y on the subject, but Professor Y was in Angola studying the mating habits of the Angolan Tree-Climbing Octopus and did not reply for three years')
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Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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Recruited from Tilea, no doubt.
Valarauko
Demon of Power
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That's the issue though. If this project is not in fact a full subsidiary of the Grey College, then from their perspective if they contribute to it then it's by definition extramural collaboration/research, in partnership with the WEBMAT, a seperate institution. Extramural academic projects and their coordination are the domain of the Senior Fellow, and therefore as head of the WEBMAT, formally we should be dealing with them for access to Grey College resources.
Unless the WEBMAT is entirely a part of the Grey College, in which case we would have oversight from Algard, because as a college effort, the buck stops with him.
That makes no sense, though. If each magister of the college has to be treated as an independent contractor completely seperate from the ollege, then the Senior Fellow doesn't appear to actually do anything.
Note that @Jyn Ryvia isn't saying that this person is in charge of us or has oversight over us, merely that we'd be dealing with the Senior Fellow routinely for access to college resources. Put it this way: if we wanted knowledge or personnel from say the Jade College, then the person we'd talk to to make that happen would be the Jade Senior Fellow, because we are proposing a formal extramural collaborative research project in our capacity as head of WEBMAT, an independent academic and research institution. Because we are are a Grey Lady Magister, we have informal routes and ins within our own order, but officially and formally, things would go through the Office of the Senior Fellow. Such is how research goes in modern academia, which is very much what Jyn's drawing on.
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The thing is, the mere existence of the office of Senior Fellow implies some level of that modern administrative structure, otherwise the office has no function. That's where our confusion comes from. If a project like the multidisciplinary waystone project headed by an official branch college seeking buy-in from the Colleges of Magic doesn't warrant the participation of the Senior Fellow and their office, I struggle to see what kind of project would.
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... but again, if you look at this as two different organizations, not just a project, then a point of contact is even more important.
hell, Single Point of Contact (SPOC) is its own job in bigger companies. (what sounds like thef Senior Fellow)
Every bit of my experience is telling me that there would be someone in the college to be the SPOC for a big project like this, (and because of secrecy, it would have to be someone high up.)
if the GM doesn't what to do it, sure, But... it makes sense from a organisational stand point.
edit: @Valarauko said it better.
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