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Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism
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Right. So. Wood and food to Kislev, something to the south (maybe we can cadge some engineers from Nuln) and an emissary of some sort to the Dwarves. For southern trade I recommend Hochland, solely because of the long rifle aka Leon Todmeister's Fantabulously Far-reaching Harquebus of Unforeseeable and Unperceived Bereavement.
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Looks about right.
Also we should see about getting Freddy a personal Workshop so that he can make things and blow off steam when he gets upset.
For our wife maybe a personal library?
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Here's my suggested trade
Wood and food (potatoes mostly) in exchange for bears from Kislev.
Our own industrial creations to rest of Empire (once we get going - need to make VERY sure we're the ones who sell and not Nuln, which we actually have a potential for now that we're getting Engineering Guild secrets)
Ogre military aid to others - sure, there are other mercenaries around, but they are humans, which Ogres are superior to... given most are still threatened we can make a very nice profit by hiring out Ogres (while, of course, specifically not letting Ogres do anything to attack us in the contract)
Wood and food (potatoes mostly) in exchange for bears from Kislev.
Our own industrial creations to rest of Empire (once we get going - need to make VERY sure we're the ones who sell and not Nuln, which we actually have a potential for now that we're getting Engineering Guild secrets)
Ogre military aid to others - sure, there are other mercenaries around, but they are humans, which Ogres are superior to... given most are still threatened we can make a very nice profit by hiring out Ogres (while, of course, specifically not letting Ogres do anything to attack us in the contract)
...Sure, in about 2 centuries, but that's not gonna happen yet.
So we are still superior there, which means we can benefit from this.
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I agree with all of that - except we don't yet have any industrial creations....and what do we want in return for the Ogres, bearing in mind we have limited numbers. And if the kislevites won't give bears, we should ask for?
So to conclude - who gets the ogres for what and alternate options for Kislev
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If we don't get bears we can ask for bear trainers that can use the local bears and teach our people how to use them.
For the Ogres we offer to have them protect trade routes since they can handle most things? If there are any that can use Gut Magic maybe magical support? In return more trade goes through our lands and of course cash.
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Anyone who still have problems with enemies in their lands (aka almost everyone)
As for what to ask for in return... food, other diplomatic concessions (such as who rules what part of the forest, if our neighbour decides to be sneaky), or just flat-out money.
Gonna take money to get all we want so that's always important.
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I meant what if they want to keep Bear cavalry to themselves, or simply cannot spare anyone for training not just them physically saying heres the bears.
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Do they have a fleet that is ok shape? If so they can help defend our coasts till we can do so ourselves.
Maybe ores and metals which will be very important once the gunnery and engineering school goes up.
Exclusive trade rights.
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IIRC the only fleet really worth anything in the area is from Nordland - that is the only fleet on our side. The other reason I say more trade with the south is that we've tied Kislev to us- we married a princess. Now we need to tie the rest of the empire to us - I worry that they will think, new elector who married a foreigner and not trust us.
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Well we will simple trade whatever timber and food we have left to the South, alcohol to the South and Dwarves, and once we have the school up guns and cannons with our flare of multiple barrels to anyone who wants them.
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overmind
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That will change once Kislev falls and we absorv it into the Empire.
Imperious
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I've been trying to look around for some of Archaon's backstory. Guy was a witch hunter and we do have their headquarters in our province. I think this is also before he began his quest but I haven't managed to find any dates yet.
Say Torroar I don't suppose we've ever heard about one Diedrick Kastner?
Though that would only be practical for girls and with the exception of our own kids is quite likely to require buming heads against Magnus as all imperial mages are going to be required to go the college. Ours are going to get some leeaway since their mother is going to be a Kislevite and so long as one can expect for them to get decent and legitimate training I imagine Magnus won't care to antagonise an Elector Count for the wizard girls among his children but more then that...
Uh... We could, but at this point at time if we left the Witch Hunters to guard the mages the way that Templars do in Dragon Age then I imagine we're going to get a great deal of wizards dying out of accidentally stabbing themselves twenty times over.
Honestly if we're looking for a guard/supervising force for mages I'd think we would be better off founding an entirely different organization before we let the Witch Hunters do it.
That said aside from that there are a number of issues with trying to found a college of our own.
First is expertise. Whatever human tradition that exists right now that we could potentially access for such a thing is very minimal and any that is also trustworthy is even rarer.
The college in Altdorf has the benefit of being founded by two of the finest wizards in the entire world in Teclis and Finreir who have extensive experience and knowledge in every single one of the eight winds of magic along with other capabilities. The only way we could really match that is if at least one of the two agreed to spend even more of their precious time founding another another college in Ostland despite having already made one in Reikland.
Second is politics. The Imperial college is designed with recruitment of all the populations of the Empire in mind and we'd have to somehow convince Magnus that he should secede the College's recruitment rights in Ostland to us and whatever institution we make rather then the Imperial college of magic.
Third is public opinion. As previously mentioned mages aren't the most popular right now. Even when ordered directly by Magnus the Pious the construction of the Imperial college in Nuln still lead to rioting in the city and being Witch Hunter central will likely make the matter of constructing one in our province more difficult rather then easier.
Honestly I'm not sure I agree with the expertise of hedge wizards being of any sort of really significant importance. Finrier and Teclis are both very knowledgable mages that did whatever they could with the colleges as far they could aid humans. One might say that the various hedge wizards of the Empire may have figured out something that would be of use that the Elves did not know but that strikes me as the equivalent of saying the modern United States have scientific discoveries and achievements that they could learn from medieval England, about Uranium. Might be technically true but not necessarily something to make it worth it to establish an entire college for with all that would entail.
The colleges are basically the best that the most beloved emperor in the history of the Empire since Sigmar could do with the help two mages more skilled then anything the Old World can offer with the possible exception of Chaos. I doubt that there's something we can do to improve on that.
That that it's right after the War against Chaos should actually somewhat help.
During the great war when Teclis, Finreir and Yrtle first arrived at the Empire the first thing Teclis did was convince Magnus of the need of mages against the Storm and for him to offer a pardon, training and protection to mages across the Empire with outriders being sent to wherever they could be sent and the three archmages sending dreams and magical compulsions to mages for them to report and with the three archmages being able to sense spellcasting from a significant distance from themselves.
The Empire has just went through an extensive recruitment campaign that can probably more then match what we'll be able to produce anytime soon.
Say Torroar I don't suppose we've ever heard about one Diedrick Kastner?
Though that would only be practical for girls and with the exception of our own kids is quite likely to require buming heads against Magnus as all imperial mages are going to be required to go the college. Ours are going to get some leeaway since their mother is going to be a Kislevite and so long as one can expect for them to get decent and legitimate training I imagine Magnus won't care to antagonise an Elector Count for the wizard girls among his children but more then that...
Uh... We could, but at this point at time if we left the Witch Hunters to guard the mages the way that Templars do in Dragon Age then I imagine we're going to get a great deal of wizards dying out of accidentally stabbing themselves twenty times over.
Honestly if we're looking for a guard/supervising force for mages I'd think we would be better off founding an entirely different organization before we let the Witch Hunters do it.
That said aside from that there are a number of issues with trying to found a college of our own.
First is expertise. Whatever human tradition that exists right now that we could potentially access for such a thing is very minimal and any that is also trustworthy is even rarer.
The college in Altdorf has the benefit of being founded by two of the finest wizards in the entire world in Teclis and Finreir who have extensive experience and knowledge in every single one of the eight winds of magic along with other capabilities. The only way we could really match that is if at least one of the two agreed to spend even more of their precious time founding another another college in Ostland despite having already made one in Reikland.
Second is politics. The Imperial college is designed with recruitment of all the populations of the Empire in mind and we'd have to somehow convince Magnus that he should secede the College's recruitment rights in Ostland to us and whatever institution we make rather then the Imperial college of magic.
Third is public opinion. As previously mentioned mages aren't the most popular right now. Even when ordered directly by Magnus the Pious the construction of the Imperial college in Nuln still lead to rioting in the city and being Witch Hunter central will likely make the matter of constructing one in our province more difficult rather then easier.
Honestly I'm not sure I agree with the expertise of hedge wizards being of any sort of really significant importance. Finrier and Teclis are both very knowledgable mages that did whatever they could with the colleges as far they could aid humans. One might say that the various hedge wizards of the Empire may have figured out something that would be of use that the Elves did not know but that strikes me as the equivalent of saying the modern United States have scientific discoveries and achievements that they could learn from medieval England, about Uranium. Might be technically true but not necessarily something to make it worth it to establish an entire college for with all that would entail.
The colleges are basically the best that the most beloved emperor in the history of the Empire since Sigmar could do with the help two mages more skilled then anything the Old World can offer with the possible exception of Chaos. I doubt that there's something we can do to improve on that.
That that it's right after the War against Chaos should actually somewhat help.
During the great war when Teclis, Finreir and Yrtle first arrived at the Empire the first thing Teclis did was convince Magnus of the need of mages against the Storm and for him to offer a pardon, training and protection to mages across the Empire with outriders being sent to wherever they could be sent and the three archmages sending dreams and magical compulsions to mages for them to report and with the three archmages being able to sense spellcasting from a significant distance from themselves.
The Empire has just went through an extensive recruitment campaign that can probably more then match what we'll be able to produce anytime soon.
Theunderbolt
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If Kislev falls we have a lot more immediate concerns than absorbing them.
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I think he meant when Kislev is annexed by the Empire.
overmind
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That happened in canon, but we have moved from it enough that the butterflies may ensue that the child either dies or becomes a vampire as well.
Either way I'm hoping for this. I was denied absorving Tilea in Gaius' quest. I was denied an invasion of Brettonia in Albion quest.
Do not take this away from me.
Dutch
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Thing is that according to this she rules for about 150~ years. We just don't know when she starts raiding the blood bank or when er son is born. So with a bit of luck we, or one of our children, will turn into a successful version of Augustus the Strong.
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@Imperious no I haven't. Who is Kastner?
A lot of the Ogres in Ostland are culturally assimilated. No Gut Magic.
However, there are ogre mercenaries that might use it. And they view it as magic i.e. scaaaaary. This the Witch Hunter province, never forget that.
A lot of the Ogres in Ostland are culturally assimilated. No Gut Magic.
However, there are ogre mercenaries that might use it. And they view it as magic i.e. scaaaaary. This the Witch Hunter province, never forget that.
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I would think out wifes contacts in Kislev would report back any strange things like that so we would be able to take action.