Technically Ostland had the particular relation of 'we conquered whole swathes of you, we're in charge, no we don't care how we're bleeding blood and treasure for generations as you resist us and push us back' to Kislev for a good long while there. But eventually they both got over that.
 
To be fair, he married a Kislevian, Ostland has had good relations with them, it's not like he married a Bretonnian or something really foreign.
Who would've been worse for Freddy to marry:
  • A Kislevian Ice Witch
  • A Bretonnia Damsel
  • An Arabyan Magician
  • An Norscan Shaman
  • A Cathayan Alchemist
  • A Dawi Runepriest
  • A High Elf Archmage
  • A Wood Elf Spellsinger
  • A Dark Elf Sorceress
  • All of the above, simultaneously
 
Hehe.
But seriously though. Maybe they thought they couldn't kick out the war hero and thus had to appeal to his wife?
Who would've been worse for Freddy to marry:
  • A Kislevian Ice Witch
  • A Bretonnia Damsel
  • An Arabyan Magician
  • An Norscan Shaman
  • A Cathayan Alchemist
  • A Dawi Runepriest
  • A High Elf Archmage
  • A Wood Elf Spellsinger
  • A Dark Elf Sorceress
  • All of the above, simultaneously
Well, that depends are we talking about Ostland's reaction or Freddy's personal marriage to them? because early apostate Freddy could probably get along with a norscan Shaman considering their views on strength, but i feel like a high elf or a dark elf would lead to a more loveless marriage
 
... Could you imagine , if Frederic was born as Asur?

I'm somewhat tempted to commision something along the lines of "If Freddric was born as..."
Starting with Cathey, for some reason.

, but i feel like a high elf or a dark elf would lead to a more loveless marriage
I feel I would have to dissagre with you. He has proven capable of dealing with elfs on personal level. He would likely 'grow on them'.
 
... Could you imagine , if Frederic was born as Asur?

I'm somewhat tempted to commision something along the lines of "If Freddric was born as..."
Starting with Cathey, for some reason.


I feel I would have to dissagre with you. He has proven capable of dealing with elfs on personal level. He would likely 'grow on them'.
Human Fred/Hultressa might have the best chance to create a baby. Fleshcrafter ftw?

This is one hell off detour btw.
 
While there might, at some point or another, been sexual relations between humans and elves, and humans and dwarfs, I cannot conceive of a situation with Frederick marrying one in any way that could possibly make sense. So...yeah.

Frederick's specific circumstances could conceivably be transplanted into another origin point, but I'm not sure every aspect of his personality would quite work. Ancestor God veneration as a dwarf is not optional, and he wouldn't have the same issues as human Frederick did. Same with the elven Gods and their presence and different perception of the world as elves.
 
Speaking about People Frederick could have married, what would have happened if he had married Ortrud instead of Natasha, especially in regards to Ostermark and the succession since IIRC Ortrud doesn't have any other siblings and with the death of her brother in Nordland that happened very early on, she was the only Heir to Ostermark after the death of her father, Would the title pass on to a cousin or another branch of the family? or would there have been an agreement that the firstborn would have got Ostland and the secondborn Ostermark?
 
It certainly would have been different! One point of which would have been that Reinhardt would have been recalled from his posting to visit the wedding, and would have been set to take up the mantle with Ortrud marrying. So you would have gotten way less warning about Nordland, which would have been quite bad, but you also would likely get full state troop reinforcement from Ostermark rather than just some cobbled together mercenaries that Ortrud pulled up in DoDa canon. Also Middenland would be liable to start pushing north through the mountains and then cutting in, due to the difficulties of the plague barriers to the south. Westerland could have shoved in more people, mercenaries, etc. while Laurelorn would have deployed way more than just a few scattered squads, more on full extermination army deployment, if they felt pushed far enough.
 
It certainly would have been different! One point of which would have been that Reinhardt would have been recalled from his posting to visit the wedding, and would have been set to take up the mantle with Ortrud marrying. So you would have gotten way less warning about Nordland, which would have been quite bad, but you also would likely get full state troop reinforcement from Ostermark rather than just some cobbled together mercenaries that Ortrud pulled up in DoDa canon. Also Middenland would be liable to start pushing north through the mountains and then cutting in, due to the difficulties of the plague barriers to the south. Westerland could have shoved in more people, mercenaries, etc. while Laurelorn would have deployed way more than just a few scattered squads, more on full extermination army deployment, if they felt pushed far enough.
So there would be no scenario where two Electors would end up with each other? Both as rulers of their respective provinces?
 
So there would be no scenario where two Electors would end up with each other? Both as rulers of their respective provinces?

No, sorry. That sort of thing would result in questions of melding provinces, bloodline responsibilities, the eventual possibility of claimants attempting have Ostland eat Ostermark or Ostermark eat Ostland, that sort of thing. There's precedent in provinces swallowing each other in cases like Drakwald and Solland, adding in competing bloodline issues would be all the worse. One province's nobility would argue for prominence over the other, and the ruling capital would have to switch between Wulfenburg and Bechafen, and which one ruled from where and when during the year would be even further arguments. And you would have to rule from one or the other, or just have the married partners literally never see each other because one would be in one city and one in the other. There'd be so much friction that at some point it would either collapse into flames or Magnus would have to put his foot down - as well as the rest of the Electoral Council - over someone promoted to rule one of the provinces while the combined family just fully switches to the other.

Do Empirial calendar not uses 8 day weeks?

Corrected, thanks.
 
It certainly would have been different! One point of which would have been that Reinhardt would have been recalled from his posting to visit the wedding, and would have been set to take up the mantle with Ortrud marrying. So you would have gotten way less warning about Nordland, which would have been quite bad, but you also would likely get full state troop reinforcement from Ostermark rather than just some cobbled together mercenaries that Ortrud pulled up in DoDa canon. Also Middenland would be liable to start pushing north through the mountains and then cutting in, due to the difficulties of the plague barriers to the south. Westerland could have shoved in more people, mercenaries, etc. while Laurelorn would have deployed way more than just a few scattered squads, more on full extermination army deployment, if they felt pushed far enough.
Always fun to think about the various 'what-ifs' that could have made quest go in radically different directions.
 
yeah two elector counts marrying would form a personal union and as shown throughout history those don't tend to end well Scotland England, Austria Hungary, Poland Lithuania one always ends up as the lesser partner and its always the one thats poorer and sometimes a smaller population
 
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This got my attention and both made me chuckle and remember this Baalbuddy comic about a knight and his dwarf girlfriend.

i can definitely see some variations of that relationship between Freddy and this hypothetical Dawi Runepriest Wife:p

I would describe Frederick as a man and a husband as a lot of things, but whipped ain't one of them. And yes that video is what someone whipped actually looks like.
 
I would describe Frederick as a man and a husband as a lot of things, but whipped ain't one of them. And yes that video is what someone whipped actually looks like.

On top of that, part of how Freddie and Nat came to love each other to this extent is that they have a lot of identical priorities. Both want the safety and happiness of their family, the prosperity of Ostland, the Empire and Kislev (in whatever order) and to make sure their enemies lose as much as possible.

If Fred does what Nat tells him to with bouncing eagerness and without hesitation, it's not because he's whipped.

It's because Fred knows Nat ultimately has the same goals he does. Anything she wants done (maybe with the exception of what type of flowers to use in decorations for a ball), is more or less in service of those goals.
 
And really, if you REALLY want to get into weird divergences, Frederick didn't even have to be Frederick. It was entirely possible for the quest to start with a Fredericka or something. It was a vote between male and female all the way back then.
 
At the end of "Spikes, Horns and Stone" can we get the full army list of the Quiet Whaaagh! and the Beasttide? And maybe the forces of the Empire and Karaz Ankor too?
 
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