Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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Marlin said:
And huh, druchii torture methods related to the bond were lost? Huh, that's fascinating.
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Unnecessary sarcasm. No need to make this hostile.

I wasn't talking about specific torture methods. Rather the knowledge that it exists that it is related to the soul gives an idea as to torture methods to make use of. After all those torture methods where developed in the first place so those creators had to start somewhere.

But its we'll have to agree to disagree about this.
 
[X] Accept: This woman does not know you, not truly. You have been sliced skull to groin before by your own children, had your own wife freeze and break apart ice shards in your veins to shred them in training. You do not fear pain and preparation, not when it could aid you against whatever the Druchii might potentially try to do to you.

A lot of people arguing to refuse are overlooking something important;

Freddy and Nat are soul deep bonded.

More bombs are nice, but ultimately a luxury. Reducing the ability of assholes to attack the wife through us (and vice versa) is more important.

And while I admire Hultressa's optimism that such a thing will only be a problem if she dies, that's fucking horseshit and everyone knows it. Being captured even if everything else goes right is a serious threat. It only takes one or two bad dice rolls.
 
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TehChron said:
If @torroar is willing to abstract that much for us, it'd be pretty cool yeah.
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You don't have enough to blow up a pyramid at the moment. Any of the pyramids.

Natasha utilized her unique understanding of fluid mechanics and the transformation of liquids to solids and back again as well as her connection to the Ancient Widow, mixed with remarkably successful infiltration efforts to achieve the superlative result she did.

The bombs that Frederick is making are dependent on what Hultressa can squirrel up, it's not so easy as dipping into the local black powder stock, because the Drucchi doesn't have any. Frederick is basically having to alchemically produce the black powder by hand, then place it into containers, treat the wicks and like, and then set them aside.

Basically, at the moment, you have a good handful of pipe bombs/roadside IEDs. You do not have building-breaking C4 levels of boom. That would/will take a lot more time and resources - because again it's not simply restricted to Frederick's ability to produce but Hultressa's capacity and ability to acquire the ingredients required. It is in fact the latter which is the true bottleneck, not Frederick's ability or personal attentions.

Furthermore, you do sort of need someone to, you know, plant said bombs into the pyramids if you wanted to have a go at them. N+R+J are currently in an aquafarm, plus their little band of supporting slaves. Hultressa could, quite possibly, secret some bombs here and there, but still.
 
[X] Refuse: Now is not the time for you to be suffering more than you already are. You can focus more on bomb production instead.

We need more bombs
 
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torroar said:
You don't have enough to blow up a pyramid at the moment. Any of the pyramids.

Natasha utilized her unique understanding of fluid mechanics and the transformation of liquids to solids and back again as well as her connection to the Ancient Widow, mixed with remarkably successful infiltration efforts to achieve the superlative result she did.

The bombs that Frederick is making are dependent on what Hultressa can squirrel up, it's not so easy as dipping into the local black powder stock, because the Drucchi doesn't have any. Frederick is basically having to alchemically produce the black powder by hand, then place it into containers, treat the wicks and like, and then set them aside.

Basically, at the moment, you have a good handful of pipe bombs/roadside IEDs. You do not have building-breaking C4 levels of boom. That would/will take a lot more time and resources - because again it's not simply restricted to Frederick's ability to produce but Hultressa's capacity and ability to acquire the ingredients required. It is in fact the latter which is the true bottleneck, not Frederick's ability or personal attentions.

Furthermore, you do sort of need someone to, you know, plant said bombs into the pyramids if you wanted to have a go at them. N+R+J are currently in an aquafarm, plus their little band of supporting slaves. Hultressa could, quite possibly, secret some bombs here and there, but still.
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Thank you very much.

And like that, it becomes very much a critical issue for us to actually have enough bombs to accomplish serious objectives.

So either we try and make enough bombs to fulfill our needs, or...we do this one off thing that might come in handy in the event that literally everything else goes to shit.

Very binary choice.

Advance our win conditions or cross our fingers that we get more than half a safety net for dragging shit out unnecessarily.
 
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[X] Accept: This woman does not know you, not truly. You have been sliced skull to groin before by your own children, had your own wife freeze and break apart ice shards in your veins to shred them in training. You do not fear pain and preparation, not when it could aid you against whatever the Druchii might potentially try to do to you.
 
[X]Accept: This woman does not know you, not truly. You have been sliced skull to groin before by your own children, had your own wife freeze and break apart ice shards in your veins to shred them in training. You do not fear pain and preparation, not when it could aid you against whatever the Druchii might potentially try to do to you.
 
Yeah at this point I don't really get why folks are just voting for Accept, so eh.

[X] Refuse: Now is not the time for you to be suffering more than you already are. You can focus more on bomb production instead.

I guess we'll just have to hope that dragging out this campaign doesn't backfire on us.
 
[X] Refuse: Now is not the time for you to be suffering more than you already are. You can focus more on bomb production instead.
 
[X] Accept: This woman does not know you, not truly. You have been sliced skull to groin before by your own children, had your own wife freeze and break apart ice shards in your veins to shred them in training. You do not fear pain and preparation, not when it could aid you against whatever the Druchii might potentially try to do to you.
 
[X] Refuse: Now is not the time for you to be suffering more than you already are. You can focus more on bomb production instead.
 
[X] Refuse: Now is not the time for you to be suffering more than you already are. You can focus more on bomb production instead.

Wasn't it mentioned that part of the danger of the bond was the whole 'pain on one end transfers to the others and Druchii love getting two for one?'
Let's not juggle Nastasha's arm for a maybe, especially if Hultressa isn't inclined to actually probe deep enough to get meaningful intelligence from Frederick. Her being visibly fustrated at not getting anything won't change a detractor deciding to do the job himself because she's apparently bad at torture.

Techron has his own point about dragging things out and I'm in agreement but I can accept the concern that we won't leave quickly but uhh…
We're out to smash crap until everything's on fire and then leave. Not really a game plan that should see us sticking around given that ever growing chance of our sabotage being discovered.
 
[X]Accept: This woman does not know you, not truly. You have been sliced skull to groin before by your own children, had your own wife freeze and break apart ice shards in your veins to shred them in training. You do not fear pain and preparation, not when it could aid you against whatever the Druchii might potentially try to do to you.
 
[X] Refuse: Now is not the time for you to be suffering more than you already are. You can focus more on bomb production instead.
 
TehChron said:
Yeah at this point I don't really get why folks are just voting for Accept, so
I guess we'll just have to hope that dragging out this campaign doesn't backfire on us.
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1) Because a lot of your arguments are badly flawed and notably holed by "it only takes a couple bad dice rolls for the scenario Hultressa is worried about to become a problem, and Hultressa dying isn't a prerequisite for that to happen despite her charmingly naive optimism."

2) The QM has made a very convincing case that bombs aren't as reliable and useful as you're trying to make them out to be.

3) Hultressa has told you that inquiries are being made into exactly how Freddy is being tortured. If anyone bothers to look, which is fairly likely now and will become more so as desperation mounts and they cast about for scapegoats, then Freddy being very obviously not long term tortured immediately gives the game away and all your clever plans are fucked.

So my choice is "gain an unreliable bonus" or "guarantee a useful defense that also helps sell the illusion Freddy and Hultressa are enemies".

If the past rolls are anything to go by, the bombs are potentially useful but not vital and careful planning (which we can control, unlike dice rolls) will make up for it.

In summary, you're badly overselling your case.
 
[X] Refuse: Now is not the time for you to be suffering more than you already are. You can focus more on bomb production instead.
 
Zaealix said:
Techron has his own point about dragging things out and I'm in agreement but I can accept the concern that we won't leave quickly but uhh…
We're out to smash crap until everything's on fire and then leave. Not really a game plan that should see us sticking around given that ever growing chance of our sabotage being discovered.
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Mhmm. Norsca will not be an uneventfull period of time.
asuming they want enough slaves to seve their faces, there will be a not insubstantial period of either deep land raiding or coastal clean-up.
That is a lot of time of Arc being on lower personel, filled with unhappy chaos worshippers, for us to add fuel to the fire under Druchi collective arses.

This is a preludium to arc 2 of this year, called 'then the drruchi made the mistake of beaching on Norsca'
the big boom is in future. Alyssa probalby will use this raid as a way to determine who get's what from what was robbed from us. or other wise establishig the pecking order.
Seriously, it's not like we gonna actually Stop making bombs, and who knows what else pops up.
Don't worry folks, it won't turn into Mt. Vietnam, but it's not gonna end soon either.
Things are yet to get intresting. (evli laugh.exp)

Also @Zaealix ? There are 4 saltwater aquafarms on the fake-coast, this ark had 11 total, and we just FUBAR-ed one. the bigger win, arguably was the behading strike. Druchii react to vacant positions quite volitaly.
 
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