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Something I just realised is that I always picture Arthur with spectacles.
I don't think that's actually a thing, is it?
I don't think that's actually a thing, is it?
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They are probably aware of it, but ye oldest of all rules giveth an answer to this problem, too.
"It's different when they do it!"
VVampires are ultimately beings extremely close to Shyish, if not off Shyish to some degree. Corrupted or not. That they are using a similar set if skills as Shyish mages should come to no surprise.
The issue is how far you are willing to go with this power over Death and how many lines will you cross. It's one of the reasons why the knowledge gathered by our three mages is of such importance because it gives alternatives.
Instead of going down further one lath and ending up crossing lines you can now potentially jump unto a different track and widen your horizon that way.
On a different note:
Zorro?
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This pretty much happened in canon. Zacharias drank the blood of a sleeping dragon, and then proceeded to defeat his sire, Melkhior, due to the powerup the dragon gave him, Melkhior having been a spawn of W'soran.
Beforehand Melkhior himself consumed W'soran after exploiting a moment in which his own sire was in an unresponsive trance due to his magics.
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Who even is a peer of Abhorash? Skulltaker? Tyrion? Malekith? Khaine?
>"It's different because shut up!" she explained.
Imperious
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It's hard to say because after drinking the blood of the dragon Abhorash disappears almost entirely out of canon. Before EoT the only post dragon appearance he had was personally turning the Red Duke due to how impressed he was by El Syf's prowess, so it's not like we have a multitude of matches with named greater daemons or ever chosens to see how he stacks up to them.
That said Blood Dragon vampire lords are some of the most potent non greater daemon characters in the Table Top, matched only by Chaos Lords, and Abhorash, as the bloodline's founder should have been more powerful then any of them, even before drinking a dragon, which is clearly a huge power boost for vampires from Zacharias' story, so we can be sure he's pretty up there.
In EoT it's mentioned that he and Gilles le Breton fought a duel with Abhorash giving Giles an oath of aid in return, which is why the two of them are last seen fighting together defending the last piece of Bretonnia before EoT ends, so peer to someone like Gilles seems like about it, the latter having been a dragon slayer even before drinking from the Grail and having such feats as killing three wyverns in melee with an arrow that was shot at him.
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Shu. Very explicitly the last big thing their Dynasty did.
The next big thing was the Fifth Dynasty War, because that was when then-Matriarch Huang of the Wu Dynasty basically kicked their doors down...I wish I had the energy to write that snippet of a scene. I can give the framework of it though.
Basically, imagine a statuesque woman of about 7 feet or so, her skin bronzed at a distance before you get closer and realize that no, it's more like straight up golden skin, with large golden reverse antler horns that are tipped with white, dressed in flowing gold and white robes in a formal Imperial China aesthetic who uses one hand to throw open the doors to the Jade Palace's throne room so hard they snap off the hinges. Her eyes have no sclera, no specific pupil, and are instead a full glowing white from end to end. She is baring and grinding her teeth. Behind her is a group of seven others. One is a sneering man of average Cathayan height with black and grey robes and glossy black horns. Just behind him and to the right is a man of similar height but a distinctly irritated look on his face with pure golden horns and gold and red robes. Behind them is a nervous looking extremely spherical woman in pink, white, and silver, and pink horns. Next to her, bracketing her on both sides, are an exhausted looking man in green and gold robes with red horns and a frowning man with silvery horns dressed in purple robes of varying hues. Both of equal, slightly taller than average Cathayan height. Finally, at the far back, looming above everyone else including the woman at the front, is a slim woman who carries dignity around her like a cloud dressed in green and silver robes with white horns who walks next to the hulking, heavily muscled, snarling audibly black-horned crimson and gold armor wearing An.
The Throne room is currently dressed up in greens and blacks and whites, showing the emblem and banner of the Shu Dynasty. The Throne is currently occupied by a hideously skinny man in green black robes, worrying at his lips, with green horns that are almost a sickly yellow-green color. The entire throne room is empty except for a group of similarly dressed men and women, all of whom have the same sorts of horns though in different hues. They are all muttering, arguing, gesticulating, shouting, pointing, shoving each other, only some of them stopping as Huang enters.
"What in the name of the First Celestial Dragon Emperor were you thinking?! Are you out of your MINDS!?"
"H-Huang!?" The Emperor Yong cries aloud, "W-what are you doing here?! Shouldn't you-,"
"We were corralling the ogres west, as ordered, but thought it best not to stay when the damned meteor was sighted coming down," Huang roars, noise booming throughout the entire palace. "NOW WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!?"
Yong gets up, puffs out his skinny chest.
"What we have done, is demonstrate the power of the Shu and of Grand Cathay! The ogres will never again threaten our western borders, and-,"
"What you've done is blow UP our western border, you idiots! The dust cloud alone is destroying miles crop yields, blotting out the sun, and so much fertile land ruined - for goodness sake it's eating the Winds themselves, let alone the land-"
And so on from there. Scene would end with Yong threatening the Wu Dynasty if they persisted in threatening the Dragon Throne, the Celestial Court, and making mention of how the Wu shouldn't be complaining, they were the loudest in saying that the Shu weren't acting decisively enough about the enemies of Cathay, showing enough strength, etc. Huang glowers, the rest of the Wu present glower, and then she says ominously that the Wu know all about strength and that the Shu would learn about it real, real soon.
About a week later the Dynasty War began, and would go on for a long, long time, culminating not after An tore Yong apart and ate his heart in the skies above the central provinces, but when Wei-Jin itself was properly reclaimed, the various rebellions supporting the Shu, independence, each other, Chaos, Monkey King, etc were suppressed and taken control of, and so on. Because the other Dynasties, Wei, Han, and Yuan all decided to get in on it and see if maybe it was their time back on the Throne. Which is why the whole situation took so damn long, because whenever a Dynasty War happens, Grand Cathay basically ceases to be, and becomes a series of fractured states all claiming to be the legitimate one.
Not at all, no. Not even a bit.
So let's get this out of the way cause I've been seeing it pingpong around.
Genevieve, once she's had time to really process everything, is going to be quite a powerful vampire. However, and this needs to remain prescient, the dragon blood drinking does not, in fact, seem to overly change the personality much of the vampire, albeit we have quite a small source pool. Zacharias was always gonna Zacharias, Abhorash was mostly 'woo, thirst is gone, I am once more in total control of myself'. So, depending on how she manages to deal with the drinking of those other vampires, she's not likely to eagerly seek out big fights.
And the main thing is...she would not have anything approaching a significant chance of beating Abhorash in a fight. But, keeping in mind that this is Warhammer Fantasy that a particularly lucky Imperial spearman might dip his spear into a bucket of holy water and stab and kill a powerful daemon, there is a difference in the before and now. Before, zero chance. Now, technical chance.
But none of that matters, really, because the truth of the matter is that barring the most ludicrous circumstance that would require it to happen, Genevieve would not fight Abhorash. And as she is, now, the fact is that she has a vastly increased chance of surviving whatever encounter she would have with Abhorash, by virtue of the fact that she'd now be vastly more likely to get away. Because I guarantee you, that would be her main plan, and many of the secondary and tertiary ones. And, also, Abhorash isn't likely to, like, have a baby by the throat and say 'fight me or I'll totes kill this kid'.
There is almost no chance she'd win in a fight, but that's because 99.999999% of any potential event like that would conclude with 'And then Genevieve dipped with all her newfound speed, power, etc.'
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Would you have something against Arthur being depicted with spectacles?
So, like Dance of Dragons but with actual Dragons rather then Dragon Riders
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I'm most curious what Gene and Joh will do not since they have been released from their duties as Fangs. Obviously both will take time to meditate/train/get used to the new changes they have experienced to their bodies, but after that curious if they plan to stay in Cathy or move on.
I think a world tour of the two would be pretty neat, maybe find another bad dragon for Joh to drink even. Could return to the Empire under wraps too for a bit if they want to.
Wonder if Draken and Twins will also continue journey or if after they get their boon they will have considered their fact finding mission mostly done since they've been to most locations they can go to learn about shyish and necromancy.
I think a world tour of the two would be pretty neat, maybe find another bad dragon for Joh to drink even. Could return to the Empire under wraps too for a bit if they want to.
Wonder if Draken and Twins will also continue journey or if after they get their boon they will have considered their fact finding mission mostly done since they've been to most locations they can go to learn about shyish and necromancy.
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The Empire, long divided must unite. Long united must divide. Thus it has ever been.
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Like the landlady from Kung Fu Hustle I imagine. Except Aborash would be more like the Beast, more than capable of keeping up with her. Genevieve would run and Aborash would have to decide if he wanted to chase her down.
It'd be...pretty weird? I'm not...flat out rejecting it, but he doesn't need them at all.
Well more like...historically accurate to their inspiration i.e. Imperial China which did exactly that. Dynasty rules for a while, collapses/is removed, replaced, collapses, etc. Just, you know. With dragons as the heads of the various feuding kingdoms.
Before, yes, now, wouldn't be nearly so certain myself.
EDIT: Again, not saying she would win any fight. But also saying
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Well there's still Khuresh. Or the priests allied with An to get a personal education in deathly matters.
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Wonder if she might start doing counter plots v ppl of the silver Court or something
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Yeah that's what I got from your initial statement. She's not strong enough enough to fight Aborash, but her power-up might be enough to make her fast enough (and possibly tricky/sneaky enough with Ulgu magic since she drank an Ulgu dragon, but I think that correlation was just proposed by a commentator so I'm not sure if it's an actual boost) to get away from him.
Yeah, I don't see Gene picking fights with the Lamians outside of dealing with any immediate threats. She's spent centuries running and hiding from them so that she doesn't have to deal with them, and it's not just because of a lack of power.
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True, might get something out of nagas.
Could also visit Steppes, but that seems a bit much considering how close it is to the Chaos Wastes. Southlands or Dragon Isles might be possible if they want to learn about lizardmen who aren't as united as those in Lustria.
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Whilst she wouldn't be able to take him in a fight, part of me wonders how interested she'd be in talking to him about drinking a dragon.
Though that'd run into the issue of likely not being worth the risk (or if she'd even want to), and even if she knew for a fact he wouldn't take offense at her asking it'd greatly surprise me if the Blood Dragons/Neferata weren't keeping an eye on his mountain just in case something happens.
Though that'd run into the issue of likely not being worth the risk (or if she'd even want to), and even if she knew for a fact he wouldn't take offense at her asking it'd greatly surprise me if the Blood Dragons/Neferata weren't keeping an eye on his mountain just in case something happens.
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Also, An appears to favor breakdancing.
So based on Torroar's snippet on the confrontation of the Wu dynasty with the Shu, the Wu Dynasty had 8 dragons (of prominence? or total?) at that time.
Which would suppose that now there are at most 5 of them left in the current day (Empress Huang and Empress Jade both went to sleep and Yi just died).
Of the other Dynasty's Yi mentioned during his rant to An (shown here)
We have the following data points to consider:
Han: Politically irrelevant in the struggle for the throne.
Speculation: Have maybe 1-2 dragons of an age with the Wu dragons, perhaps has younger dragons around, perhaps not.
Wei: Breed constantly to build up numbers
Speculation: Also have few older dragons, maybe just 2, but those two are a couple and have decided to have loads of kids to rebuild their dynasty. I hazard a guess that the Wei have a dozen+ dragons of an age of 2 millenia or younger rocking around.
Yuan: Likely equal numbers, age and power to the Wu Dynasty.
Speculation: Most relevant threat to the Wu Dynasty, especially once the current Emperor goes to sleep as they will gain a relevant power advantage.
Shu: Depicted as past their peak and focused on Past glories.
Speculation: The Wu take-over cost them their most powerful members and they are sitting in the middle of age, power and numbers among the 5 dynasties.
More speculation: The Wei seem to have the long game in mind. They have a load of young, weak members currently that can't match up to the more powerful but fewer Dragons in the other Dynasties, but time is on their side. If the world can last a few thousand more years, the Wei would be the natural successors to Cathay and may rule unchallenged as their many dragons reach appreciable age and power while all the other Dynasties die in conflict or retire to sleep.
What could prevent that is a load of their members dying young due to another Dynasty trying to cull them or an outside threat kills a bunch of Dragons.
Edit: Also speculated motivations by Dynasty
Wu: Status Quo is great, just wants to keep the Empire strong and rebuild from Nippon war
Yuan: Status Quo is undesirable, looking for right amount of weakness to reclaim the throne
Wei: Status Quo is great, Peace and Love for all (need more time for power to grow, literally and figuratively)
Han: Situation bad, may be open to outside help to tip the odds in their favor if they truly want the throne. Potential trouble-maker.
Shu: Not keeping track of current affairs, living in the past. If pushed to act, may do something overblown, widely destructive and self-sabotaging. I.e. Barrel of Nitro-glycerin, do not handle roughly, avoid messing with.
Which would suppose that now there are at most 5 of them left in the current day (Empress Huang and Empress Jade both went to sleep and Yi just died).
Of the other Dynasty's Yi mentioned during his rant to An (shown here)
We have the following data points to consider:
Han: Politically irrelevant in the struggle for the throne.
Speculation: Have maybe 1-2 dragons of an age with the Wu dragons, perhaps has younger dragons around, perhaps not.
Wei: Breed constantly to build up numbers
Speculation: Also have few older dragons, maybe just 2, but those two are a couple and have decided to have loads of kids to rebuild their dynasty. I hazard a guess that the Wei have a dozen+ dragons of an age of 2 millenia or younger rocking around.
Yuan: Likely equal numbers, age and power to the Wu Dynasty.
Speculation: Most relevant threat to the Wu Dynasty, especially once the current Emperor goes to sleep as they will gain a relevant power advantage.
Shu: Depicted as past their peak and focused on Past glories.
Speculation: The Wu take-over cost them their most powerful members and they are sitting in the middle of age, power and numbers among the 5 dynasties.
More speculation: The Wei seem to have the long game in mind. They have a load of young, weak members currently that can't match up to the more powerful but fewer Dragons in the other Dynasties, but time is on their side. If the world can last a few thousand more years, the Wei would be the natural successors to Cathay and may rule unchallenged as their many dragons reach appreciable age and power while all the other Dynasties die in conflict or retire to sleep.
What could prevent that is a load of their members dying young due to another Dynasty trying to cull them or an outside threat kills a bunch of Dragons.
Edit: Also speculated motivations by Dynasty
Wu: Status Quo is great, just wants to keep the Empire strong and rebuild from Nippon war
Yuan: Status Quo is undesirable, looking for right amount of weakness to reclaim the throne
Wei: Status Quo is great, Peace and Love for all (need more time for power to grow, literally and figuratively)
Han: Situation bad, may be open to outside help to tip the odds in their favor if they truly want the throne. Potential trouble-maker.
Shu: Not keeping track of current affairs, living in the past. If pushed to act, may do something overblown, widely destructive and self-sabotaging. I.e. Barrel of Nitro-glycerin, do not handle roughly, avoid messing with.
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Because the only way to make more Dragons to mate with other Dragons, do you think it's possible the Wei use incest to increase their numbers?
Eh, as I mentioned before, I think they have one of the few remaining married dragon couples left and decided to focus hard on having as many kids as they could.
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The mental protections and compulsions are gone, but those were in their own way a benefit for Johanna and Genevieve. Being a Fang gave Johanna and Genevieve protection through status inside the Celestial Empire, as shown in the first encounter with the Chained Ghost. Or against the mental compulsions of the Chaos Blade that Jubei held. Sure, they're sorta invasive and problematic mental controls, but Genevieve and Johanna should consider signing up as Fang's again or seeking out mental protections just as good.
And there's still service to Princess An Johanna and Genevieve seem to be walking towards.
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Rereading the Cathay bits, I noticed that while An seems to have tons of Dragonblooded mortal children, there's been no mention of a full blooded dragon child. She's obviously not adverse to having kids and doesn't have problems showing affection and care, so is it a case of "no current dragon that she is not related to meets her standards" or "I was too busy being stuck under a mountain?" Though she also old enough that she definitely could've had an heir before that happened. And she will need and heir if she wants to take her father's place when he goes to sleep.
Imperious
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Also I found this old quote, apparently by Josh Reynolds, about how Abhorash compares to other major warrior characters in WHFB. Reynolds being a Black Library writer, this is probably the closest we have to "canon" about Abhorash's abilities given how extremely sparse his appearances in canon are:
Do Giles and Abhorash manage to hold back the Skaven until the world ends, or do they go down with the Citadel before hand?
I believe they did, yes. I doubt anything got past them, until the world came apart beneath them. Abhorash was with Gilles in the end, at La Maisontaal Abbey, and as for what Vlad meant...that's a reference to a book that will never be written, so I think I'll keep it to myself.
I am trying to gauge Abhorash's power so lets say we put him in a series of matches vs other famous duelists -Vlad,Skulltaker, Grimgor, Tyrion, Gotrek Gurnison, Ka'Bhanda, Sigmar -how many of those would he beat 1 vs 1? Is he powerful enough to beat magic users like Teclis, Nagash, Maleketh ect?
First, bear in mind, that Abhorash is the greatest warrior the world has ever seen. He's the figurative embodiment of war itself. He's a guy who has done nothing but fight for over a thousand years. No rest, no sleep, no taking a holiday. Just war. He's as close to a two-legged engine of destruction as the Old World gets.
Too, a fight scene depends on context just as much as any other narrative device. There's no such thing as a fight in a vacuum, unless you're writing science-fiction. All of these fights depend on location, whether the combatants have had to fight through armies of mooks, the stakes, etc. F'r instance, if it's a G&F novel the fight happens in, Gotrek wins.
Vlad would know better than to fight him. And if he did, he'd wake up later, after his ring has resurrected him and wonder why he'd done it.
Abhorash would beat Grimgor handily, once he figured out how to put him down for keeps. Grimgor, Incarnate of Beasts would be tougher, but Archaon did it, and Abhorash is better than Archaon so...yeah. There is no way, short of Gork himself showing up, that Grimgor wins.
Gotrek would be more of the same...he's not unbeatable, he's just really hard to keep down. Abhorash would win that one, but he'd know he'd been in a fight. The only way I can see the fight going to Gotrek involves him having both of Grimnir's axes and a power-up...then Gotrek wins. Or it's in a G&F book, as I said, then Gotrek wins after a forty-page fight scene.
Tyrion could hold his own. It'd be a stalemate, until one or the other lost their temper and then it's anybody's guess, with an edge to Abhorash, due to the whole vampire thing.
Sigmar...is tricky. Is it Sigmar Ascended, or just Emperor Sigmar? If it's the former, Abhorash loses, eventually. If its the latter, Abhorash...might still lose. We don't know how his duel with Gilles turned out, after all, way back when. If Gilles could have beaten him, then Sigmar might have been able to do so as well. At best, though, I think it's a grueling stalemate.
Ka' Bhanda and Skulltaker pose similar quandaries...Abhorash is the figurative embodiment of war, but they're literally shards of the god of war and slaughter. In a clench, I'd say Abhorash trucks Skulltaker. He'd also splat a regular bloodthirster, if it came to that. But Ka'Bhanda is something else. It took ALL of the Incarnates to wear him down. That one would be a squeaker I think. It could go either way, with an edge to Ka'Bhanda.
Magic users, well, if they ganged up on him, yeah. One on one, Nagash wins. He knows how to unmake vampires, though I'm betting Abhorash would leave a few scars. Teclis and Malekith, much like Tyrion depends on who keeps their head. Abhorash isn't as cunning as Malekith or as smart as Teclis, but then, he doesn't need to be. If he gets close, they lose. If they can keep him guessing, and at a distance, then they win.
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So, according to Reynolds, Abhorash is a much more powerful warrior then the likes of Skulltaker, Grimgor, Vlad Von Carstein, Archaon and regular Bloodthirsters as well as assured to win in a 1 Vs 1 fight against Malekith if he manages to get close.
His peers* as a warrior according to Reynolds are Gilles, Sigmar and Ka'Bhanda.
*Not clear whether he refers to Tyrion with Widowmaker here or not.
Do Giles and Abhorash manage to hold back the Skaven until the world ends, or do they go down with the Citadel before hand?
I believe they did, yes. I doubt anything got past them, until the world came apart beneath them. Abhorash was with Gilles in the end, at La Maisontaal Abbey, and as for what Vlad meant...that's a reference to a book that will never be written, so I think I'll keep it to myself.
I am trying to gauge Abhorash's power so lets say we put him in a series of matches vs other famous duelists -Vlad,Skulltaker, Grimgor, Tyrion, Gotrek Gurnison, Ka'Bhanda, Sigmar -how many of those would he beat 1 vs 1? Is he powerful enough to beat magic users like Teclis, Nagash, Maleketh ect?
First, bear in mind, that Abhorash is the greatest warrior the world has ever seen. He's the figurative embodiment of war itself. He's a guy who has done nothing but fight for over a thousand years. No rest, no sleep, no taking a holiday. Just war. He's as close to a two-legged engine of destruction as the Old World gets.
Too, a fight scene depends on context just as much as any other narrative device. There's no such thing as a fight in a vacuum, unless you're writing science-fiction. All of these fights depend on location, whether the combatants have had to fight through armies of mooks, the stakes, etc. F'r instance, if it's a G&F novel the fight happens in, Gotrek wins.
Vlad would know better than to fight him. And if he did, he'd wake up later, after his ring has resurrected him and wonder why he'd done it.
Abhorash would beat Grimgor handily, once he figured out how to put him down for keeps. Grimgor, Incarnate of Beasts would be tougher, but Archaon did it, and Abhorash is better than Archaon so...yeah. There is no way, short of Gork himself showing up, that Grimgor wins.
Gotrek would be more of the same...he's not unbeatable, he's just really hard to keep down. Abhorash would win that one, but he'd know he'd been in a fight. The only way I can see the fight going to Gotrek involves him having both of Grimnir's axes and a power-up...then Gotrek wins. Or it's in a G&F book, as I said, then Gotrek wins after a forty-page fight scene.
Tyrion could hold his own. It'd be a stalemate, until one or the other lost their temper and then it's anybody's guess, with an edge to Abhorash, due to the whole vampire thing.
Sigmar...is tricky. Is it Sigmar Ascended, or just Emperor Sigmar? If it's the former, Abhorash loses, eventually. If its the latter, Abhorash...might still lose. We don't know how his duel with Gilles turned out, after all, way back when. If Gilles could have beaten him, then Sigmar might have been able to do so as well. At best, though, I think it's a grueling stalemate.
Ka' Bhanda and Skulltaker pose similar quandaries...Abhorash is the figurative embodiment of war, but they're literally shards of the god of war and slaughter. In a clench, I'd say Abhorash trucks Skulltaker. He'd also splat a regular bloodthirster, if it came to that. But Ka'Bhanda is something else. It took ALL of the Incarnates to wear him down. That one would be a squeaker I think. It could go either way, with an edge to Ka'Bhanda.
Magic users, well, if they ganged up on him, yeah. One on one, Nagash wins. He knows how to unmake vampires, though I'm betting Abhorash would leave a few scars. Teclis and Malekith, much like Tyrion depends on who keeps their head. Abhorash isn't as cunning as Malekith or as smart as Teclis, but then, he doesn't need to be. If he gets close, they lose. If they can keep him guessing, and at a distance, then they win.
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So, according to Reynolds, Abhorash is a much more powerful warrior then the likes of Skulltaker, Grimgor, Vlad Von Carstein, Archaon and regular Bloodthirsters as well as assured to win in a 1 Vs 1 fight against Malekith if he manages to get close.
His peers* as a warrior according to Reynolds are Gilles, Sigmar and Ka'Bhanda.
*Not clear whether he refers to Tyrion with Widowmaker here or not.
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