I haven't been back on SV for literal years, and I got to come back to this side story, did… did I die at some point and go to SV heaven? Is that a thing?
Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism
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Well, that was a ride. I think my heart stopped beating when Alisa got stabbed by the demon sword. That was gut wrenching... Thank god RNGesus and the power of Divine BS pulled through once more.
The Colleges will massively profit from this, but none so much as the Amethyst College. This will create an interesting shift in the political landscape of magical Altdorf. Wasn't it a mentioned somewhere that the Wind aligned to whoever takes up the position of the Supreme Parriarch influences Altdorf as a whole and strengthens the flow of the particular Wind?
A Shyish influenced Altdorf might have an interesting effect on the prominence of the Cult of Morr.
The Colleges will massively profit from this, but none so much as the Amethyst College. This will create an interesting shift in the political landscape of magical Altdorf. Wasn't it a mentioned somewhere that the Wind aligned to whoever takes up the position of the Supreme Parriarch influences Altdorf as a whole and strengthens the flow of the particular Wind?
A Shyish influenced Altdorf might have an interesting effect on the prominence of the Cult of Morr.
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The Garden-King
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- The Blue Kingdom
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- He/His/Him
Is that specific part non-canon as of this quest? I'm not doubting you here, just genuinely curious- do you mind grabbing me a quote from torroar stating that?
Again, I'm not doubting you here- since, y'know, this quest is hitting the five-thousand page mark and I've probably missed a bunch of stuff, but could you find that specific quote for me?
Like, I've no doubt a lot of shit is already off-the-rails from End Times, what with Nagash's crown sacrificed to Khorne, Drachenfels slapped down by Magnus, Sylvania purged and Karak Ungor reclaimed- but is that specific part changed?
iggyfan
Verified Man-Thing
- Location
- Kentucky
It actually might be. We (briefly) met Sigmar after Zacharias' tower collapsed and that wasn't in the vortex.
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- PA
TBH Nippon…
Frankly I'm just thinking 'yesterday Inperial mode, Tommorrow it's time to go full kawaii', or at least as much as Mallus will allow.
Not helped by the fact that Cathay, no matter how you slice it, is going to want to be sure Nippon won't shank them again, or try to.
I just don't see HOW Nippon could even try to justify not getting babysat by the fat pink dragonball for a few centuries- even IF you argue successfully that Yi was the main reason they went crazy, the problem is An tore a massive hole and took down a lot of the clans that held lots of territory, on top of the damage to their traditions and reputation that Yi accomplished.
Even if the clans agree no more wars to unify the nation we gotta rebuild, Cathay's got too much reason to want to control the national narrative that arises, because the current one of 'dragon drama got our nation screwed over' probably ends with this scene repeating in a century's time…And by that point the forces of Destruction will most certainly settle in and take root near-permanently, and Cathay can all to easily see that happening.
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Best answer I see for preserving Nippon's whole 'No Dragons No Gods No Masters and No Problems!' is that Nippon holds onto any sated vampires that come from Cathay, with Genievere being the first of them, effectively becoming a living reminder of what happens when Dragons screw up big enough.
Frankly I'm just thinking 'yesterday Inperial mode, Tommorrow it's time to go full kawaii', or at least as much as Mallus will allow.
Not helped by the fact that Cathay, no matter how you slice it, is going to want to be sure Nippon won't shank them again, or try to.
I just don't see HOW Nippon could even try to justify not getting babysat by the fat pink dragonball for a few centuries- even IF you argue successfully that Yi was the main reason they went crazy, the problem is An tore a massive hole and took down a lot of the clans that held lots of territory, on top of the damage to their traditions and reputation that Yi accomplished.
Even if the clans agree no more wars to unify the nation we gotta rebuild, Cathay's got too much reason to want to control the national narrative that arises, because the current one of 'dragon drama got our nation screwed over' probably ends with this scene repeating in a century's time…And by that point the forces of Destruction will most certainly settle in and take root near-permanently, and Cathay can all to easily see that happening.
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Best answer I see for preserving Nippon's whole 'No Dragons No Gods No Masters and No Problems!' is that Nippon holds onto any sated vampires that come from Cathay, with Genievere being the first of them, effectively becoming a living reminder of what happens when Dragons screw up big enough.
- Location
- A Pit Of My Own Making
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- He/Him
Silly idea for how Taizong will deal with Nippon's leadership issue;
- Send out a message saying he'll make any noble Emperor that swears fealty to him
- Any bad eggs turn up, lock them somewhere and pretend you never saw them
- When someone suitable finally turns up, say "Actually you don't have to swear fealty, but I will be keeping a close on on you and Nippon for quite a while.
First, welcome! Second, nah, just had an active muse for once.
Actually no. That's part of the Soul Tattoo thing. I was hinting at it earlier when discussing how it felt for it to be ground into AA+E's souls, in fact.
There's a reason it's part of their Wargear list, not just a fancy description I pull out on occasion.
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NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
What sort of consequences does invoking the tattoos full power have? It looked like it was a straightforward case of 'drain lifeforce for immense power and survivability', but I'm curious as to whether there are any other side effects or repercussions.
It's not really an 'invoking' sort of thing. It's a mixture of passives and emergency active.
Yemaraja doesn't really go in for, like, the healing thing necessarily. But where the Light of Summer has an emergency heal, their Tattoos trigger upon death, and make it not that. I suppose in TT terms it would be something like 'upon taking a hit that would be fatal, critical or otherwise, they actually remain at 1 wound' or something. It's not infinite either, obviously, but it helps keep you alive long enough especially if you've gotten adept at sucking the lifeforce out of enemies to heal yourself with. Repeated hits will put them down, though, if they can't manage to do the healing part before they get hit again, for instance.
Additionally, some Amethyst Spells are specifically noted to not work on Undead or Daemons, such as the Life Drain one. But Yemaraja, being the Grand Judge of the Afterlife for his people, as well as the Shield of Souls, changes those sorts of circumstances. This is what was being shown when she tore part of the Emperor's soul out of his body to consume, and immediately started filtering out/rejecting the Chaos energies.
In general though, it overall just notably boosts the power and control they have over their spells and magic work. Effectively doing the whole thing where Divine Magic is magic worked with a smidge of Divine Aid which makes it safer to use than Pure Arcane, at least for some. Making them, again, stronger Amethyst Wizards than they would have been otherwise without it. Especially the Life Drain one, which, at this point, should probably be called something like Greater Life Consumption or something for AA+E.
Are there greater boons that Yemaraja could grant? Sure. But that would require fully signing over your soul to him and becoming one of his Chosen, staying in Ind, new edicts, etc. And that really wasn't on the table.
Yemaraja doesn't really go in for, like, the healing thing necessarily. But where the Light of Summer has an emergency heal, their Tattoos trigger upon death, and make it not that. I suppose in TT terms it would be something like 'upon taking a hit that would be fatal, critical or otherwise, they actually remain at 1 wound' or something. It's not infinite either, obviously, but it helps keep you alive long enough especially if you've gotten adept at sucking the lifeforce out of enemies to heal yourself with. Repeated hits will put them down, though, if they can't manage to do the healing part before they get hit again, for instance.
Additionally, some Amethyst Spells are specifically noted to not work on Undead or Daemons, such as the Life Drain one. But Yemaraja, being the Grand Judge of the Afterlife for his people, as well as the Shield of Souls, changes those sorts of circumstances. This is what was being shown when she tore part of the Emperor's soul out of his body to consume, and immediately started filtering out/rejecting the Chaos energies.
In general though, it overall just notably boosts the power and control they have over their spells and magic work. Effectively doing the whole thing where Divine Magic is magic worked with a smidge of Divine Aid which makes it safer to use than Pure Arcane, at least for some. Making them, again, stronger Amethyst Wizards than they would have been otherwise without it. Especially the Life Drain one, which, at this point, should probably be called something like Greater Life Consumption or something for AA+E.
Are there greater boons that Yemaraja could grant? Sure. But that would require fully signing over your soul to him and becoming one of his Chosen, staying in Ind, new edicts, etc. And that really wasn't on the table.
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Is that something that should be preserved, though?
The results of the last time those ideas took hold spawned a 130K saga that ended in a third of the nation being conquered by their much more powerful, much more dragon aligned neighbour- and that was the good ending there.
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Abstract Ideas
The Garden-King
- Location
- The Blue Kingdom
- Pronouns
- He/His/Him
I thought that was just a metaphysical representation of Sigmar's blessing on Genevieve and favour for Magnus rather then Sigmar himself? I mean, I could be wrong- but that's how I interpreted it, especially given how, unlike Ulric, who mumbled something to the White Wolves, or Taal, who threatened Johanna in front of Frederick, he didn't say a word and instead simply patted Genevieve, who he blessed, and smiled at Magnus, who he favoured.
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Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
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- Belgrade,Serbia
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- He/Him/His
Welcome back. The mad greet you o storied cat.
shepsquared
Erratic Aussie
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- Melbourne, Australia
By all accounts Nippon has been fine as a nation though. Sometimes a thorn in Cathay's side, often a valued trading partner, sometimes an enemy. I don't think any of the dragons want to conquer it and invalidating the notion of an independent nation because an ancient shadow dragon decided to deliberately wreck the place is like saying Brettonia should've just taken the Empire over back when they only just won the Vampire Wars.
Apropos of nothing but my general brain thinking on music and themes with regards to characters, I've thought of something. As I stated earlier, An's theme is Daring General, specifically the version from Kung Fu Hustle. But what I would say is a song that represents some of what a lot of her own siblings thought of her would be the Kiss of Death from Guilty Gear Strive. Maybe replace Kiss with Fist tho.
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Noose. Brew experience was over with in minutes, same even if it killed Frederick. Noose took 25 straight hours of being conscious the entire time as Yemaraja, who, again, is the Greater Deva of All Souls in Ind, who none of the other Deva argue against for said claim save for their specific Desai, personally grinds crystallized breath of holy dead souls into your skin, your muscle, your bone, your own very soul. And the pain was so intense, as I've noted, that you effectively die but Yemaraja basically holds onto your soul and body and forcibly keeps them together and so you can't fully be considered expired. It's not something you get done for kicks.
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The part where they're an individual culture and nation I'm fine with (and Cathay trying to actually occupy all of Nippon would probably be immensely daft right now); it's specifically 'manifest human destiny for fate favours the mortal man' I quoted that bothers me, beyond being… not really true, in the setting.
Even if it makes the Nipponese less unique, not having that idea rattling around their head would probably make life easier for everyone, because they wouldn't be endlessly opposed to their very powerful and important neighbour, or otherwise purposefully antagonising beings they really shouldn't.
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Don't think it was specified anywhere outside of general ET not canon statement.
Well, I mean... consider that idea -- "manifest human destiny for fate favours the mortal man" -- from a more historical or geological perspective.
What was the state or status of man oh, say, 30,000 years ago or so? Back when the planet was mostly an iceball, with a strip of fertile land around the equator?
I'd bet that the only human peoples around... were those that were being taken care of by Sky-Titans or Dragons. Their servants or worshippers. (This assumes that humans were around back then. Rather than being transformed from, like, Sky-Titan genes by the Old Ones. Or maybe introduced by the Old Ones. Or something. Maybe humans and elves and dwarfs were on Mallus all along. Maybe proto-humans, proto-elves and proto-dwarfs. Or maybe a race of proto-humanoids, that the Old Ones differentiated into humans, elves, and dwarfs. Who knows.) (Also, I am pulling the "Sky-Titans or Dragons" bit out of my butt. That is, the addition of the Sky-Titans bit. I don't know if they also had humans like Dragons had humans. Then again, I am also going out on a limb and assuming the Dragons had human servants/worshippers/etc back then too, rather than this being a more recent(ish...) phenomena for Dragons.)
If any human populations existed outside of Sky-Titan or Dragon (or Promethean, or Fimir, or Dragon-Ogre, or maybe some kind of strange primordial gods or land-spirits if any such existed yet) servants/worshippers/etc? It probably would have been a truly meagre and hard existence!
Did those human populations outside of the Dragon-lands have any geopolitical relevance or pride (in themselves and not as part of those who were their overlords)? At all? Any whatsoever?
Maybe there were proto-Forests-of-Ages around. i.e. Maybe the Oak of Ages truly blossomed and came into its own when the planet warmed up, and that before that, the greenery of the world was far weaker and less numerous than that. (Or maybe the Oak of Ages was planted by the Old Ones. Rather than just being extremely lucky in being native to the planet and simply flourishing after the Old Ones happened to warm up the planet.)
Fast forward 20 or whatever thousands of years. Past the coming of the Old Ones. Past the coming of Chaos. Past the Golden Ages of the Elves and Dwarfs.
There are now human nations that are Regional Powers or Great Powers!
Hell, Nehekhara at its height was an amazingly powerful civilization, no?
From a human perspective, even though times are hard and true evil exists in the form of Chaos and will not be going anywhere... They are now more geopolitical relevant than they have ever been in the planet's many millions of years old history.
Of course, that perspective also strikes at Akari's and Mitsuhide's ramblings from another rambling; namely that of "Yeah life sucks and you have to live in the shadow of other, more powerful, beings. Suck it the goddamn hell up. Because life has always been like that. Life has always been a case of 'Well, you have to make do with the environment and geopolitical situation that you have, not the situation you want...' And your situation right now is better than it ever was, historically-on-a-geological-scale speaking."
Or, "Yeah, you have it worse than some other human nations. Like the Old World or Ind. You know what though? You also have it better than other human populaces! The Kurgans are under the thumb of the Chaos Gods. The Naga Queens feed on humans. The Dark Lands guys were slaves of the Chaos Dwarfs... or food for the Ogres or Greenskins."
"You have to deal with living in the shadows of dragons; others have to deal with being on the menu. Or of forever hearing the laughter of thirsting gods."
"That doesn't mean you should bow your head. Or accept your inferiority. It does however mean that you should probably consider very strongly whether you want to make war on Cathay or try to otherwise maneuver Cathay into a death-spiral in which it loses all its Dragons, hoping that Nippon will come out the geopolitical top-dog or Regional Power as a result in the end."
Just because your neighbors are stronger than you, doesn't mean they are the worst neighbors you could wind up having.
Hell, I'd bet that the Ogre lands were probably pretty annoying neighbors for Cathay. A breadbasket of a nation, which held a peoples that were hardy and warlike? The Ogres were probably a pain in the butt. But the solution that the... Wu, I think? took was... a solution that took a situation of "We have a nation of badasses on our borders, who have tons of food to fund them, and when their population rises too much, they go to war... usually on us." and turned it into a situation of "... Well, the Sky-Titans are all dead, the Karaz Ankor Dwarfs in the Dark Lands are dead, the humans in the Dark Lands are on an exodus, the Karaz Ankor is declining because of the even more lost holds and Ogre migration... the breadbasket is destroyed. And, oh yeah, we now have Lavos digging into our planet and drinking deep of its Natural Energies and Earthbound energy and shit; who knows what will come of that. Also also, the Ogres are worshipping Lavos and are sympathetic psychically to its hunger... so that's also great."
What was the state or status of man oh, say, 30,000 years ago or so? Back when the planet was mostly an iceball, with a strip of fertile land around the equator?
I'd bet that the only human peoples around... were those that were being taken care of by Sky-Titans or Dragons. Their servants or worshippers. (This assumes that humans were around back then. Rather than being transformed from, like, Sky-Titan genes by the Old Ones. Or maybe introduced by the Old Ones. Or something. Maybe humans and elves and dwarfs were on Mallus all along. Maybe proto-humans, proto-elves and proto-dwarfs. Or maybe a race of proto-humanoids, that the Old Ones differentiated into humans, elves, and dwarfs. Who knows.) (Also, I am pulling the "Sky-Titans or Dragons" bit out of my butt. That is, the addition of the Sky-Titans bit. I don't know if they also had humans like Dragons had humans. Then again, I am also going out on a limb and assuming the Dragons had human servants/worshippers/etc back then too, rather than this being a more recent(ish...) phenomena for Dragons.)
If any human populations existed outside of Sky-Titan or Dragon (or Promethean, or Fimir, or Dragon-Ogre, or maybe some kind of strange primordial gods or land-spirits if any such existed yet) servants/worshippers/etc? It probably would have been a truly meagre and hard existence!
Did those human populations outside of the Dragon-lands have any geopolitical relevance or pride (in themselves and not as part of those who were their overlords)? At all? Any whatsoever?
Maybe there were proto-Forests-of-Ages around. i.e. Maybe the Oak of Ages truly blossomed and came into its own when the planet warmed up, and that before that, the greenery of the world was far weaker and less numerous than that. (Or maybe the Oak of Ages was planted by the Old Ones. Rather than just being extremely lucky in being native to the planet and simply flourishing after the Old Ones happened to warm up the planet.)
Fast forward 20 or whatever thousands of years. Past the coming of the Old Ones. Past the coming of Chaos. Past the Golden Ages of the Elves and Dwarfs.
There are now human nations that are Regional Powers or Great Powers!
Hell, Nehekhara at its height was an amazingly powerful civilization, no?
From a human perspective, even though times are hard and true evil exists in the form of Chaos and will not be going anywhere... They are now more geopolitical relevant than they have ever been in the planet's many millions of years old history.
Of course, that perspective also strikes at Akari's and Mitsuhide's ramblings from another rambling; namely that of "Yeah life sucks and you have to live in the shadow of other, more powerful, beings. Suck it the goddamn hell up. Because life has always been like that. Life has always been a case of 'Well, you have to make do with the environment and geopolitical situation that you have, not the situation you want...' And your situation right now is better than it ever was, historically-on-a-geological-scale speaking."
Or, "Yeah, you have it worse than some other human nations. Like the Old World or Ind. You know what though? You also have it better than other human populaces! The Kurgans are under the thumb of the Chaos Gods. The Naga Queens feed on humans. The Dark Lands guys were slaves of the Chaos Dwarfs... or food for the Ogres or Greenskins."
"You have to deal with living in the shadows of dragons; others have to deal with being on the menu. Or of forever hearing the laughter of thirsting gods."
"That doesn't mean you should bow your head. Or accept your inferiority. It does however mean that you should probably consider very strongly whether you want to make war on Cathay or try to otherwise maneuver Cathay into a death-spiral in which it loses all its Dragons, hoping that Nippon will come out the geopolitical top-dog or Regional Power as a result in the end."
Just because your neighbors are stronger than you, doesn't mean they are the worst neighbors you could wind up having.
Hell, I'd bet that the Ogre lands were probably pretty annoying neighbors for Cathay. A breadbasket of a nation, which held a peoples that were hardy and warlike? The Ogres were probably a pain in the butt. But the solution that the... Wu, I think? took was... a solution that took a situation of "We have a nation of badasses on our borders, who have tons of food to fund them, and when their population rises too much, they go to war... usually on us." and turned it into a situation of "... Well, the Sky-Titans are all dead, the Karaz Ankor Dwarfs in the Dark Lands are dead, the humans in the Dark Lands are on an exodus, the Karaz Ankor is declining because of the even more lost holds and Ogre migration... the breadbasket is destroyed. And, oh yeah, we now have Lavos digging into our planet and drinking deep of its Natural Energies and Earthbound energy and shit; who knows what will come of that. Also also, the Ogres are worshipping Lavos and are sympathetic psychically to its hunger... so that's also great."
Yeah. Genevieve is *not* a peer of Abhorash.
Abhorash would absolutely shred Genevieve in any sort of fight. And Genevieve will never catch up to Abhorash imo. Not only has Abhorash likely drunk from a even older Dragon given the sheer size of the being from the account (iirc) he also hones himself constantly. He's not a static target for someone to aim for.
And he has likely experienced and seen pretty much all major martial arts in the world since he doesn't just sit in his mountain and does travel around from time to time.
True, but Genevieve has grown rapidly from a not very old, high generation (thus weaker) Lahmian vampire into the only example of her line to have consumed a Dragon.
She has increased in power by tiers. Most likely not to the level of the line progenitors (Neferata, W'Soran, Abhorash, etc) but compared to their immediate subordinates, I'd say she places well.
Like a fight between her and Walach or Harkon would be a far more even affair than she could have ever hoped for prior to this.
So I've been noticing something during this side story, and its just how often the twins and their teachers will tear life from their foes to heal themselves. I find that funny, cause its almost like vampires in a way, and I wonder how they would react to it being pointed out.
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I'm sure they've long had time to realize the similarity.