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If the Matriarch, the one Manann chose personally, says its not cheating and its cool, its cool man.
Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism
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our enemies have taken it from us before it is basically unbreakable so it did not break like our clothing and armor.
that's VERY different from taking it out of the bottom of the sea
that's VERY different from taking it out of the bottom of the sea
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If that were the case, Magdha would not have brought it up as a viable way to get through this without permanent injuries or grudges.
[X] Plan Not Quite ALL the Way
yannoshka
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That is not a fair statement.
That particular complaint has been answered multiple times (heck, the answer has been repeated in the post just before yours), as well as your second one, and I have yet to see proper counterarguments made, rather than those based on suppositions.
I am not saying your fears are somehow wrong or unfounded, I am just saying that 'all-in' side has proposed more factually based arguments, but that just might be me, and I could be wrongly interpreting.
Uh to be fair, can't that also happen in 4/5 Keelhauling too?
Like, if we're worrying about Manann taking it -- and I'm assuming that that's the worry here, as I don't think it can come off naturally or non-mystically -- then... it's really up to the question of what makes Manann decide to take it, isn't it?
Would he be more willing to show his displeasure at 5/5 Keelhauling, or at 4/5, or at 1/5? Or is it not displeasure but rather testing and tribulation, and if he winds up taking our necklace well that's the way it goes in his mind?
I don't think it's fair to only bring up the Light of Summer thing as a risk at all in 5/5. Since, well, it's also probably worth keeping in mind that 4/5 also risks your life and health too, for that matter. It's not like 4/5 is "free" compared to 5/5. We could roll like absolute ass and die in 4/5 as well as 5/5. 5/5 just increases the odds of that, but, well, still. =/
Sir LagsAlot
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I don't think it's allowed even if you are the maker of the plan and you are making a change as I've done so on both SV and SB and gotten hit for it.
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Considering each greatship is a major appeasement for the low low price of 500 gold, especially when we can start replacing them next turn, I'd say it's worth maximizing our chances of appeasing the Cult so our province's trade and navy aren't gutted for a generation at least. Anything extra is extra favor which is also worth a couple ships.
The necklace is not cheating and it took Coeddil to damage it. Barancles are not likely to match that.
Perhaps, but when this could be our one chance to appease the cult for a long time and the economy and safety of the province depends on this being enough, we need to take every measure.
Garlak has also pointed out that it's also about silencing any and all critics that remain. Do more to appease and it removes arguments from them in the eyes of everyone else.
It also increases Maghda's influence and our personal favor with Manann.
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I had planned on letting write-ins for ideas of things to do in Marienburg afterwards. I don't know if I'm still going to be doing that.
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Yeah, I didn't see that one before I posted my critique, point withdrawn there but I still stand by my statement about the ineffectiveness of giving up all of our greatships, it's not even in character since Natasha advised against it.
I'm just kind of tired of this, like some of these guys I can see their logic for going all in, but I bet some of them are just going for it because "OOOH FREDRICK CAN HANDLE A FEW LITTLE BARNACLES, WE GOT THE LIGHT OF SUMMER, IT'LL BE FINE". Maybe it's my real life experience leaking into my votes by sliding on a bunch of barnacles is a painful experience and that'a from my experience tripping while running on some tide rocks covered with them, I had a friend who fell into a crevasse had to get stitches for some of those cuts...
Oh. Huh. That's right, we could have, like, wandered around and tried to hire Knights Mariners or something...
I think "write-in" is not the best structure for that though. Um, I think, anyway. As we simply don't know enough about what is reasonable to pursue or do here, don't know the lay of the land in-universe so to speak, so... It may all be too awkward.
Better to either offer choices, or to pull a Laurelorn maybe. (Laurelorn was cool as shit.)
Actually, as far as hiring from Marienburg or the cult goes, you could simply provide it like the Mercenaries option and let people come up with a Plan of how-much-to-buy? That sort of "write-in" might be doable; because it's more like a "shopping list" -- from an openly viewable and available shopping list that one can see -- rather than what I was picturing when I first saw "write in maybe?" mentioned which was "Oh god, we're just going to have a bunch of write-ins for what to do in the city? Eek."
Providing a "Shopping List" sort of challenge/exercise/thing/task would be cool though!
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To be fair, I sincerely believe that once the whole Cult of resolved, and it will be resolved in the next update things will go back in track soon enough...
Plus getting totally wasted with Urdug when first visiting a major city is such a beautiful tradition.
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I can most certainly understand why the RL experience would shape the fictional vote, people do it all the time after all. I'm sorry both you and your friend dealt with that and all I can suggest is maybe step back from the thread for a bit if it makes you upset.
Those of use who haven't had that experience can only decide based on what we want/what we think is IC for Freddy to do since he has been through worse, lots of WHF human heroes have.
Don't forget bringing along Nat and the others as well, they will deserve a drink after whatever happens.
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Fayhem
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I mean, I don't really like 4/5 either, it's just the only non-5/5 plan with a chance of winning. And I prefer "partially excessive" to "completely excessive".
Also, in regards to something you said earlier, I don't think "extreme" appeasement is qualitatively different than "major" appeasement. I think there's just one scale called "appeasement" and each option is rated according to how far it, by itself, would move you up that scale. So taking an "extreme" option doesn't push us onto a whole other level, it just adds even more of the same thing. In terms of the marginal difference between 4/5 and 5/5, it probably only adds as much as another "major" action compared to the 4/5 action.
Edit: I typed a completely wrong word in the middle of one of my sentences. What the heck, brain. Why you make me do these things.
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Ah, but Mass that would involve telling Nat about what we did in Altdorf on our first couple of outings with Urdug, and we made a Vegas promise never to tell...
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To be fair, torroar has been very blatant on this:
This is about a good bit more than appeasement. Support from the Cult, an ally against Rutger, the potential boon of Manaan, etc. So it is fact that there is another level: the level beyond being simply square.
I'd be feeling exactly the same if it were just a matter of appeasement but it's been blatantly more than that.
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Natasha did not advise against all the greatships. She said she thought all the greatships would be excessive....HOPEFULLY. It's an estimate.
With the stakes here we should not skimp on the greatships. We have other naval defenses and can always build more greatships. But none of that will matter of the appeasement falls short.
And if it is excessive, we stand to gain some divine favor, which I think is worth an extra ship or three.
The keelhauling will hurt. A lot. And it is dangerous. But it's not real world keelhauling. It's actually survivable here for ordinary people.
Frederick is far from ordinary.
A lifetime of dealing with painful and stressful situations that would break most others
Divine Superhuman toughness
Gromril/dragon bone/runic steelfist
Light of Summer (which has survived and stayed with Frederick this whole time excepting Coeddil)
Jade Wizard
Fortune Point
Fate Point
All of that in his favor here.
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There were going to be a few things, but the whole point of that was that Marienburg was cosmopolitan, and people could have asked me about what things there are, and I was going to throw in some possibilities but let the players think about exploring - with me present to say when things would or would not be flat out impossible to do. But, again, I'm a lot more leaning towards just leaving afterwards, at the moment. I don't know. We'll find out, I guess.
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Sounds like it would be fun, but do understand if you just want to end interlude in general since it mentally has tired you out quite a bit. It would be IC to for Freddy to want to get out of city after nasty business is done and avoid enemy merchant families who might try something.
Your choice in the end naturally, but will support either way and what is best for you.
Edit: No more discussion after this, just votes please people.
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EDIT: Zip, nyoink, poof. ("Yay Gulls! Go Gulls! Best sports team ever! 
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I kind of wish that we had had some clever write-ins or ideas too.
Like maybe offering the Wing-Suits, or some Wing-Suits, to the Cult of Manann or something and seeing if they liked them. Or maybe just the current set of Wing-Suits.
Either way, I do hope that the Wing-Suits come up as a topic between Frederick and the Cult/Maghda. Because getting Manann's blessing on those -- when used on the coast and on ships that is -- could be pretty swanky.
The Gulls of Manann!
")I kind of wish that we had had some clever write-ins or ideas too.
Like maybe offering the Wing-Suits, or some Wing-Suits, to the Cult of Manann or something and seeing if they liked them. Or maybe just the current set of Wing-Suits.
Either way, I do hope that the Wing-Suits come up as a topic between Frederick and the Cult/Maghda. Because getting Manann's blessing on those -- when used on the coast and on ships that is -- could be pretty swanky.
The Gulls of Manann!
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Since we learned about him in a rumors post a few turns ago, could we convince Otto Steinroth, the red pirate of Mariemburg, to become the red pirate of Ostaland?
Thors_Alumni
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we currently have a tie guys and the clock is ticking down.
Hmm...
Yeah, same here. It sounds really cool.
Say, while I assume that the Magical "College of Navigation" doesn't exist here yet -- or it might only be a thing in the other quest, I don't remember off the top of my head actually! -- could that be a thing we ask Maghda about?
That is -- we feel out what Maghda thinks about these newfangled "Colleges of Magic thing" that the Empire has recently gotten.
... Actually.
What does Maghda -- and the Cult of Manann -- think of them? If she knows anything of them? Though, she knew enough to know about Jade Wizards, so.
In fact, maybe Freddy could talk about the way they've helped out in Sylvania. And they've helped with farming. So... magic could be used in various places. Magic could find a niche. But. Is it a niche that people want magic to be in? And, when it comes to something as superstitious as the sea, is it a niche the Gods would want?
What does Manann think of, say, Azyr and Ulgu and Ghyran?
Or -- the College of Shyish are closely working with the Cult of Morr, right. Is it possible to have something like that with the Azyr Wizards (or Ghyran or Ulgu, if that would be an appropriate wind... Azyr is probably most appropriate, but Ulgu doing "mist magic" might be a thing, and Ghyran has water in it, though...) and the Cult of Manann? Actual cooperation and agreements and faith and worship though.
Or perhaps, some Azyr Wizards might be interested in taking up religion. The magic thing doesn't all have to be one way, after all. It's not like it's just people that should get more Wizards after all. It could be Wizards becoming more religious and faithful too.
So, like... Rather than hiring Azyr Wizards... Perhaps the Cult might be interested in having devout people becoming Wizards, and thus becoming highly devout Wizards.
... Or maybe all of this is none of Frederick's business. Or, well, at least the higher and more speculative and "What do?" parts. But at least sounding her out to see what she, and the Cult, and Manann himself, think of the Colleges of Magic...
... Well, I want to see that conversation happen! It'd be interesting to me.