Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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Yanno, I now have a hankering for an omake of someone bluntly pointing to the Matriarch, or some other high ranking member of the temple in Marienburg that Ostland is the birth province of the Order of the Silver Hammer aka the muthalovin Witch Hunters, and that not letting them rampage against the renegade murderous cultists could be construed as a grave offense towards them. Sometimes, a dire Example needs to be made and made as loudly and obviously as possible might be. Say, such as a newly elected MAtriarch personally executing the renegade members of her own church who are responsible for the death of her predecessor.


As for finding an alternative to Manaan, I am rather partial to Olovald, for the sheer schadenfreude of Freddie (re)introducing the original god of Marienburg as a big flipping the bird towards both the cult and the city.
 
Alexander Sturnn said:
What do the Knights think of the Purge? Are they less willing to work with us now?
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Well, I doubt that they are happy about it.

In any case, what's done is done. We are going to have a colder relationship with Cult of Manaan for a decade (or two) or until Freddy kicks the bucket, and then it will be up to his heirs to gradually rebuild the rapproach.

Like I've said, Freddy not playing nice with the Cults, and being imho an advocate for temporal dominance over sacral dominance is quite in-character.
 
yannoshka said:
Yanno, I now have a hankering for an omake of someone bluntly pointing to the Matriarch, or some other high ranking member of the temple in Marienburg that Ostland is the birth province of the Order of the Silver Hammer aka the muthalovin Witch Hunters, and that not letting them rampage against the renegade murderous cultists could be construed as a grave offense towards them. Sometimes, a dire Example needs to be made and made as loudly and obviously as possible might be. Say, such as a newly elected MAtriarch personally executing the renegade members of her own church who are responsible for the death of her predecessor.


As for finding an alternative to Manaan, I am rather partial to Olovald, for the sheer schadenfreude of Freddie (re)introducing the original god of Marienburg as a big flipping the bird towards both the cult and the city.
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Yeah, no. The Cult of Manann has legitimate reasons to not be happy with us right now. I'd much rather apologize and suck up to them for a bit than essentially create a new religion out of whole cloth.
 
065tdsa said:
They were always supposed to be doing this though, it was always their job to do it, they just weren't any good at it before now. By the same token, the Holders of the Shore were never popular with anybody, and that didn't stop them from doing whatever they wanted. So clearly, we needed some extra measures.
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The Holders of the Shore caught everyone by surprise not just the main cult though? Should we blame Magnus for the dickery his brother got up to against Ostland?

yannoshka said:
As for finding an alternative to Manaan, I am rather partial to Olovald, for the sheer schadenfreude of Freddie (re)introducing the original god of Marienburg as a big flipping the bird towards both the cult and the city.
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What alternative? Mannan is the only one.
 
Theunderbolt said:
The Holders of the Shore caught everyone by surprise not just the main cult though? Should we blame Magnus for the dickery his brother got up to against Ostland?
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No, but that's because policing Elector Count on Elector Count dickery, brother or no brother, is a full time job on its own on top of the other parts of being Emperor, and Magnus manages it very well by the standard of what can be expected of an Emperor.
 
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Qeqre said:
Technically, all multiples of the sacred number are significant to the Chaos Gods.
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Be that as it may, multiples consisting only of the sacred number have always been more significant than mere multiples.

64 is more significant than 88, 512 is more significant than 888 (though the latter probably makes up for it in volume).

This has been canon to both Fantasy and 40K for as long as I can remember, but knowing how expansive the settings are I wouldn't be surprised if it was contradicted somewhere I'm unaware of.
 
Man, why are people advocating to worship another sea god just to spite the Cult Of Manann? All other sea gods are evil/minor and are not worth the effort.

Y'all need to stop being so defensive when someone has genuine/understandable grievances with you.
 
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Travler66 said:
Man, why are people advocating to worship another sea god just to spite the Cult Of Manann? All other sea gods are evil/minor and are not worth the effort.

Y'all need to stop being so defensive when someone has genuine grievances with you.
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This Cult let most of Old World humanity's naval capacity get crippled, that's ground to consider getting a replacement all on its own, without any other factors involved whatsoever.
 
Ashmaker said:
Be that as it may, multiples consisting only of the sacred number have always been more significant than mere multiples.

64 is more significant than 88, 512 is more significant than 888 (though the latter probably makes up for it in volume).

This has been canon to both Fantasy and 40K for as long as I can remember, but knowing how expansive the settings are I wouldn't be surprised if it was contradicted somewhere I'm unaware of.
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I will once again point to the d10 nature of WHFRP and how it interacts with the Curse of Tzeentch.
64 is rolled 6+4. 88 is rolled 8+8. Rolling 8+8 when casting a spell causes a Chaos manifestation. Rolling 6+4 does not.

I will also note that you have yet to provide a source.
 
The fact is if they'd done their job in the first place we wouldn't have had this problem. We settled it decisively. The onus is on them to be better going forward.

If they are, we don't have to take extreme measures. We need our ships. We need our fleet. We are not deep inland where we can wink at a few lost barges - we are one of the Trident, and second most likely (after Nordland) to eat a Norscan invasion from the sea. If the Manannites want to bitch and moan about us taking extreme measures to make sure that doesn't happen (and let's not forget the stolen fleet by the beastmen scions of a very particular four-legged asshole on our kill list), then they can prove they're worth their salt.

End of story.
 
065tdsa said:
This Cult let most of Old World humanity's naval capacity get crippled, that's ground to consider getting a replacement all on its own, without any other factors involved whatsoever.
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065tdsa said:
that's ground to consider getting a replacement all on its own
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No, it isn't. The cult may have messed up but that is no reason for them to be replaced. The very attempt in doing so will only bring harm.
 
The issue here I feel is less that we used the Witch Hunters, who went completely overboard as they are won't to do and I feel like we may have forgotten, but that we seemed to literally be the only people to not just let the Cult sort their shit out internally.

So now, rather than being seen as the person who went too far for possibly understandable reasons, we have the spotlight shown on us for being the one person to defy the Cult and slaughter a bunch of their priests.

So yeah, definitely a lot of sucking up we need to do in the future here.
 
Travler66 said:
No, it isn't. The cult may have messed up but that is no reason for them to be replaced. The very attempt in doing so will only do harm.
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If nothing else, its a reason to get a backup for the next time they mess up and put almost every port in the Old World to the torch. We have a lot of land dwelling gods, the sea could use some healthy competition.
 
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NCRTrooper said:
Yeah, no. The Cult of Manann has legitimate reasons to not be happy with us right now. I'd much rather apologize and suck up to them for a bit than essentially create a new religion out of whole cloth.
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My point was rather that any coin has more than one side, and Politics theological and secular both, in any sufficiently advanced world you'd care to name is a complicated and complex enough mess that it necessitates non-euclidean, non-archimedean, non-hyperbolic, n^n dimensional coins with more sides than the Osbourne family has teeth.
 
It has been quite a while since we heard from Aurelion and her crew, what is up with them anyway?
Has our GM just gotten bored with them or something?
 
guys it was a renegade group of the cult that went psycho , could we please not go and over react to this it was a group that has never done anything close to this scale before, that had been largely kept in check for millenia, calm down sometimes thing slip through the cracks, just eat crow this time and deal with having colder relations with the cult of manan
 
065tdsa said:
If nothing else, its a reason to get a backup for the next time they mess up. We have a lot of land dwelling gods, the sea could use some competition.
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torroar said:
There simply is not another God such as Manann to worship. There are minor river gods and spirits, but none of them could possibly ever be raised up to the same sheer magnitude and involvement as Manann himself.
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Also, Stromfels does not apply.
 
Travler66 said:
Also, Stromfels does not apply.
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We'll just have to figure something out. Though I'll grant that my preferred solution (build ships good enough we can get them blessed by Morgrim as works of Engineering) is not likely to be easy at all even if it happens to be doable.

Either way, nobody gets to continue having a monopoly on a vital service after they demonstrated they cannot handle it properly.
 
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