Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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megamiaouh said:
It took until 2016 for the Happy Birthday song to be put in the public domain, I don't know if GW does have Dwarfs copyrighted but I wouldn't be surprise if they did, after all Marvel managed to trademark both Marvel and Mutants...
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Given the example I gave, if anyone had a copyright in this situation, which they don't, it'd be Disney.

Unless you're suggesting that GW can beat Disney in a copyright fight.
 
Isn't the difference in spelling due to dwarves being the spelling used in Tolkien's works? It might not be that GW is using the term they have the copyright for but that they're using the public domain one that's guaranteed not to start a copyright turf war with the Tolkien estate.
 
It occurs to me that, if we make it through this (with Ariel surviving, of course)--and if Alarielle's condition is merely temporary (which it should be? I mean, she's the High Priestess of Isha, and the High Priestess of Isha is a High Priestess on super steroids), then Tyrion's opinion of Frederick is probably going to rise substantially? Considering that Frederick was involved in this whole incident simply because Alarielle asked for his help, and when shit hit the fan and he was offered compensation to help, but he turned it down because there was no way in hell he could stand by and not fight daemons right in front of him...and then the fact that he indirectly protected the Everqueen and eased her burden during a time of extreme vulnerability (by greatly reducing the number of wounded she was dealing with and preventing the Pinnacle from being corrupted and used against an exhausted Alarielle by forces of Nurgle).

Not to mention how his squire will be able to tell him how Frederick and Natasha went toe-to-toe with a Nurgle-corrupted Coeddil and one of Nurgle's elite lieutenants and won.

...now that I think about it, Frederick has (against the odds) fostered astonishingly positive relations with many of the key players in Ulthuan, the Karaz Ankor, Laurelorn, Athel Loren, and Kislev. Frederick, who started out notoriously bad at diplomacy, has turned into Magnus' accidental right hand man for foreign relations, which is all kinds of hilarious :p . The only major player in the Old World we're missing now is Bretonnia!
 
I just remembered. We never heard from that border prince guy over Anna's kid. Its been a while and rather than ignore it I think we should send someone down to the border princes region and find out what their opinion of Ostland and more importantly Anna and Natasha is.
 
Thors_Alumni said:
I just remembered. We never heard from that border prince guy over Anna's kid. Its been a while and rather than ignore it I think we should send someone down to the border princes region and find out what their opinion of Ostland and more importantly Anna and Natasha is.
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Not a Border Prince, he was a prince from Tilea. I believe the man in question was the brother of Anna's paramour. And one of the more successful merchant princes at that.
 
Thors_Alumni said:
I just remembered. We never heard from that border prince guy over Anna's kid. Its been a while and rather than ignore it I think we should send someone down to the border princes region and find out what their opinion of Ostland and more importantly Anna and Natasha is.
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Better not to stir things up. He's half a continent away, let's leave well enough alone.

We do have some indication he's probably not a fan of Freddy- his daughter is a prodigy painter, and he sent her works as gifts to leaders all around, but not Ostland.
 
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Aranfan said:
We are the count of cannons and the graf of guns. I don't think we should try diplomacy with the Brets.
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Eh. I mean, if the wood elves can become friends/on good terms with Frederick, I don't see why Bretonnia would feel that differently. Granted, it'd still take saving one of their provinces and its leader twice, but, I mean, it's theoretically possible.

...god, Frederick's accomplishments just look surreal from the outside. Like, it makes sense that Magnus the Pious, a noble of the Empire, reunited the Empire and led it to victory against a Chaos invasion. It makes a lot less sense for some drunk mad lad from Ostland to save the dwarf High King by jumping down the gullet of a Colossal Squig and cutting a hole to exit through...immediately after saving a province of the Wood Elves from a surprise Beastmen invasion...and then getting an offer of a grand boon from the Everqueen herself.

I feel like Frederick's just learned to roll with the craziness by now and is just unfazed by it...kind of like some of the characters in Dragon Ball Z Abridged.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
Eh. I mean, if the wood elves can become friends/on good terms with Frederick, I don't see why Bretonnia would feel that differently. Granted, it'd still take saving one of their provinces and its leader twice, but, I mean, it's theoretically possible.

...god, Frederick's accomplishments just look surreal from the outside. Like, it makes sense that Magnus the Pious, a noble of the Empire, reunited the Empire and led it to victory against a Chaos invasion. It makes a lot less sense for some drunk mad lad from Ostland to save the dwarf High King by jumping down the gullet of a Colossal Squig and cutting a hole to exit through...immediately after saving a province of the Wood Elves from a surprise Beastmen invasion...and then getting an offer of a grand boon from the Everqueen herself.

I feel like Frederick's just learned to roll with the craziness by now and is just unfazed by it...kind of like some of the characters in Dragon Ball Z Abridged.
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The Asrai also don't have their nobility follow a religion that explicitly decries ranged weaponry, especially gunpowder weaponry, as cowardly and dishonorable. We can continue to cultivate relations and trade with Bretonnia's merchant class, but I don't expect Bretonnian nobility to ever truly like us IMO.

Good point on Frederick's absurd achievements during his reign. If he doesn't gain "The Great" or "The Father of Modern Ostland" as posthumous sobriquets when his time finally comes, I would be genuinely shocked.

Mopman43 said:
Well, if Roland ever completes the Quest, then Frederick is good friends with a Bretonnian duke. That's something.
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Will he, though? My interpretation on his last appearance was that the fact that he still has attachments to his family and Mousillon was why he still hasn't found the Grail yet. I don't hold much hope for Mousillon because of that. At least Sylvania will eventually become a non-shithole with enough time and effort.
 
NCRTrooper said:
The Asrai also don't have their nobility follow a religion that explicitly decries ranged weaponry, especially gunpowder weaponry, as cowardly and dishonorable. We can continue to cultivate relations and trade with Bretonnia's merchant class, but I don't expect Bretonnian nobility to ever truly like us IMO.

Good point on Frederick's absurd achievements during his reign. If he doesn't gain "The Great" or "The Father of Modern Ostland" as posthumous sobriquets when his time finally comes, I would be genuinely shocked.


Will he, though? My interpretation on his last appearance was that the fact that he still has attachments to his family and Mousillon was why he still hasn't found the Grail yet. I don't hold much hope for Mousillon because of that. At least Sylvania will eventually become a non-shithole with enough time and effort.
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Ehhh, we kinda flipped the board the lady might give Roland a break because he's a connection to us and we ARE now important to the asrai now. We had a small cutscene where she laughed her ass off after Ariel got purified. Sure she's a terrible person but Roland is a piece on the board that we owe a favor too and you know how elves are.
 
NCRTrooper said:
Will he, though? My interpretation on his last appearance was that the fact that he still has attachments to his family and Mousillon was why he still hasn't found the Grail yet. I don't hold much hope for Mousillon because of that. At least Sylvania will eventually become a non-shithole with enough time and effort.
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Actually FWIR of what the GM said about it. IC it happened within a year or 3 of Karak Ungor and its been decades since then for Frederick and everyone else. Hell Roland may very well have found the Grail by now or he could still be wandering around on his quest. Sorry I don't remember the relevant post but I am almost positive that the GM made the post.
 
Thors_Alumni said:
Actually FWIR of what the GM said about it. IC it happened within a year or 3 of Karak Ungor and its been decades since then for Frederick and everyone else. Hell Roland may very well have found the Grail by now or he could still be wandering around on his quest. Sorry I don't remember the relevant post but I am almost positive that the GM made the post.
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Well, its been 12 years since Karak Ungor.

But yes, that interlude with Roland took place 6-12 months after that campaign.
 
Vodkasheep said:
Ehhh, we kinda flipped the board the lady might give Roland a break because he's a connection to us and we ARE now important to the asrai now. We had a small cutscene where she laughed her ass off after Ariel got purified. Sure she's a terrible person but Roland is a piece on the board that we owe a favor too and you know how elves are.
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What? No, we didn't, that was Naieth the Prophetess. I do not believe we ever had any indication about the extent of the Lady's connection with the Wood Elves - if it indeed exists at all.
 
Vodkasheep said:
Huh, thought she was the woodelf goddess pretending to be a human goddess ie the lady. Guess I got them mixed up.
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If you believe the End Times, she's Lileath, Elven goddess of prophecy and fortune. I don't believe the End Times about anything else, so I'm happy to ignore that as well.

Outside of that it's intentionally left vague. Knights of the Realm gives strong indications that she's connected to the Wood Elves, but most of these are contradicted elsewhere- for example, in some other works, the Fay Enchantress is a human, or at least appears to be, while KotR states she's clearly an elf.

So, the main point of this is that canon is largely vague and contradictory, as is its natural state, except for the books that also state Malekith is the rightful Phoenix King in defiance of basically all previously established canon, so its entirely up to Tor what the truth is in-quest.
 
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When we get to the main turns. Should we stop stabbing Tilea and Estalia in the back?

Ostland keeps taking the human resources of Tilea and Estalia, if we stopped for a bit, that may allow Tilea and Estalia to grow in stability.
 
Marlin said:
When we get to the main turns. Should we stop stabbing Tilea and Estalia in the back?

Ostland keeps taking the human resources of Tilea and Estalia, if we stopped for a bit, that may allow Tilea and Estalia to grow in stability.
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*Blinks* Unless I am forgetting something we only did that once.
 
Marlin said:
When we get to the main turns. Should we stop stabbing Tilea and Estalia in the back?

Ostland keeps taking the human resources of Tilea and Estalia, if we stopped for a bit, that may allow Tilea and Estalia to grow in stability.
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?????

That is ridiculous. People emigrating does not cause instability, it is instability that causes emigration. Also I do not think that there was an action that involved attracting large numbers of Tileans.

Your first statement also makes no sense. We never betrayed eather at any point, firstly because both consist of multible smaller polities, so you would need to get specific, but also because the was no relationship to betray. Also attracting people to move in is an absurd thing to label a betrayal, as there are still lots of Estalians in their native principalities. I am pretty sure that the Chaos invasion, the knights of Margarita and that one Tomb king are the ones responsible for the current situation. Not to mention Estalias default state is a degree of instability.
 
ShyPerson said:
?????

That is ridiculous. People emigrating does not cause instability, it is instability that causes emigration. Also I do not think that there was an action that involved attracting large numbers of Tileans.

Your first statement also makes no sense. We never betrayed eather at any point, firstly because both consist of multible smaller polities, so you would need to get specific, but also because the was no relationship to betray. Also attracting people to move in is an absurd thing to label a betrayal, as there are still lots of Estalians in their native principalities. I am pretty sure that the Chaos invasion, the knights of Margarita and that one Tomb king are the ones responsible for the current situation. Not to mention Estalias default state is a degree of instability.
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My first statement was a complete misinterpretation of our good will to absorb the benefits of Tilea and Estalia wihtout giving them anything great. We sold Estalia (I think it was Estalia) faulty canons in exchange for their wealth, and keep taking the best Estalia and Tilea have to offer from the people that might be able to improve Estalia and Tilea.

There is an action that involves atttracting the people of Estalia and Tilea. If it crops up again, which it already has proven it can do, are we going to avoid taking it, or keep pressing the button?

torroar said:
I uh, I know. A potential expansionist unifier thing is something I'd had notes for already, for a different quest entirely that fell fallow. I'd say that I fleshed things pretty well with the Vega siblings, and the players have been pulling Estalians north to escape the Chaos for a bit now. Including getting some of their vaunted steel and now some of their legendary diestros, supposedly some of the best human duelists in the Old World. By Franz's time, the Diestros were what all the fanciest noble sons learned sword fighting from. Plus Estalia's been in the rumor mills for more than just Chaos, there was the whole Knights of Magritta thing too.
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This QM quote is probably something I completely misinterpreted though. Pulling refugees from Estalia and Tilea absolutely cannot affect Estalia and Tilea negatively. Ostland is carrying a holy mission of sanctuary to the unfortunate. Ostland does not have the greatest smiths of Estalia and Tilea, or the most impressive people of Tilea and Estalia, or even people who could be important to Estalia and Tilea if Ostland didn't take them. I feel that makes sense now.
 
Marlin said:
My first statement was a complete misinterpretation of our good will to absorb the benefits of Tilea and Estalia wihtout giving them anything great. We sold Estalia (I think it was Estalia) faulty canons in exchange for their wealth, and keep taking the best Estalia and Tilea have to offer from the people that might be able to improve Estalia and Tilea.

There is an action that involves atttracting the people of Estalia and Tilea. If it crops up again, which it already has proven it can do, are we going to avoid taking it, or keep pressing the button?


This QM quote is probably something I completely misinterpreted though. Pulling refugees from Estalia and Tilea absolutely cannot affect Estalia and Tilea negatively. Ostland is carrying a holy mission of sanctuary to the unfortunate. Ostland does not have the greatest smiths of Estalia and Tilea, or the most impressive people of Tilea and Estalia, or even people who could be important to Estalia and Tilea if Ostland didn't take them. I feel that makes sense now.
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We don't even have any Tilean immigrants. Besides, it's not like we're forcing Estalians to migrate to Ostland at gunpoint. Estalians are immigrating to Ostland because Estalia's been even more unstable then it usually is for the past couple of years, and the faulty cannons weren't even our fault anyway.

Frankly, the only way for Estalia to meaningfully improve is if they unify, which, given that a massive Chaos invasion didn't give them enough incentive to do so, seems incredibly unlikely unless Myrmidia gives mortal life a second go.

At the end of the day, if Estalians want to continue immigrating to Ostland, by all means we should let them do so. We always need new bodies, and it's not like the Estalian kingdoms will do anything about it, given their constant infighting.
 
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