I feel like if Fredrick survives this fight he will get a Ulric divine mark and for it to be winter related. You know since his wife a ice witch is here and going to do something with a waystone.
 
I feel like if Fredrick survives this fight he will get a Ulric divine mark and for it to be winter related. You know since his wife a ice witch is here and going to do something with a waystone.
Natasha is officially a foreign priestess. She is not a priestess of Ulric, but of the Ancient Widow, who for legal reasons totally isn't Arianka despite both of them being trapped sleeping under Praag.
 
I feel like if Fredrick survives this fight he will get a Ulric divine mark and for it to be winter related. You know since his wife a ice witch is here and going to do something with a waystone.
Neither of those are at all thematically appropriate to Ulric though.

The Widow is the one that covers ice magic, not Ulric; while waystones are pretty exclusively an Elf thing.
Even if they weren't the only reason Freddy was given a divine mark of Sigmar is because he was essentially following Sigmar's path as a mortal in saving the High King and helping retake a Hold. Nothing about this situation is in any way associated with Ulric.

I know people get excited about grand rewards for doing grand deeds and such, but at least have them make sense for the situation at hand.
 
Doubt it. Ice witch has NOTHING to do with Ulric. Hell, technically her magic is based on an entirely different god.
Technically, Witch Lores(Hag, Ice) are neither Divine Lores nor Arcane Lores and the Witch Marks they generate don't come prefaced with a "GM should feel free to homebrew" that Divine Marks have. At least the book ones.

One could take this to mean that the Witch Lores, much like Arcane Lores, bring a person closer to immutable concepts(Winter, Old Age) whereas Divine Lores are subject to the devotee's personal beliefs and/or local doctrine.
Neither of those are at all thematically appropriate to Ulric though.

The Widow is the one that covers ice magic, not Ulric; while waystones are pretty exclusively an Elf thing.
Even if they weren't the only reason Freddy was given a divine mark of Sigmar is because he was essentially following Sigmar's path as a mortal in saving the High King and helping retake a Hold. Nothing about this situation is in any way associated with Ulric.

I know people get excited about grand rewards for doing grand deeds and such, but at least have them make sense for the situation at hand.
This. We already got that Fate point.

Besides, we're fighting in a forest, while not wearing metal armour or bringing any works of science. Clearly, that's more Taal(possibly Rhya) than Ulric. Especially with the Light of Summer pumping Freddy full of Jade(more than he already is from sparring) and Isha's chosen flexing with the local Life magics.
 
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Neither of those are at all thematically appropriate to Ulric though.

The Widow is the one that covers ice magic, not Ulric; while waystones are pretty exclusively an Elf thing.
Even if they weren't the only reason Freddy was given a divine mark of Sigmar is because he was essentially following Sigmar's path as a mortal in saving the High King and helping retake a Hold. Nothing about this situation is in any way associated with Ulric.

I know people get excited about grand rewards for doing grand deeds and such, but at least have them make sense for the situation at hand.

I agree.

Besides, we already got the grand reward. Ariel has been healed by Alarielle and they are likely now on something like speaking terms. Two living avatars of Isha are now closer to one another for the first time in Millennia. That's a decent win for Order in general.

And for helping make this happen, opinion boosts are probably in the workings with Alarielle, Tyrion, and Averlorn in general. The same is likely the case with Lady Dawnstone and the kingdom of Laurelorn.

Its not a shiny item or a trait, but diplomatic ties and agreements often end up just as potent.

This whole fight can just be seen as making the down payment on all of these boons.
 
And quite frankly, I'd consider everyone important and most of the forest surviving to be more than a good enough "reward".

The reward of doing well in Warhammer: you're not dead, and the next day is a little less bad.
 
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Besides, we already got the grand reward. Ariel has been healed by Alarielle and they are likely now on something like speaking terms. Two living avatars of Isha are now closer to one another for the first time in Millennia. That's a decent win for Order in general.

Yeah. Ariel and Alarielle being on speaking terms is huge.
 
Yeah...we just need to survive and not lose anyone we give a damn about. So, I wouldn't say that it's wrong to not get greedy, but...haven't gotten through this just yet.
 
One wonders how Durthu compares to Zacharias in combat terms. Or his dhar-ascended form. Or his complete final form he never achieved. He's the only enemy that ever ooutright humiliated us in direct combat and who we didn't defeat ourselves, but it was because of bad rolls. Having some basis for comparison should let us estimate what a successful dice roll is worth here
 
I just had a thought. Fredrick is out of Armor essential in the middle of the forest fighting the forces of darkness. So if he's going to get blessed by a god it would probably be Taal.

Though considering he usually wears lots of armor and loves firepower in all its forms I doubt it.
 
One wonders how Durthu compares to Zacharias in combat terms. Or his dhar-ascended form. Or his complete final form he never achieved. He's the only enemy that ever ooutright humiliated us in direct combat and who we didn't defeat ourselves, but it was because of bad rolls. Having some basis for comparison should let us estimate what a successful dice roll is worth here
Based on what I remember of Zacharias' and Durthu's stats and rules I'd give Durthu a considerable edge over normal Zach, assuming he doesn't have his dragon (statline wise Zacharias is a normal vampire lord IIRC). As for dhar-ascended Zacharias vs Durthu, I'd see it as something of a toss up. On one hand Durthu is big, stompy, has high strength, toughness, weapon skill, quite a number of wounds. the natural ability to ignore Zacharias' ethereal status and is a wizard on top of all that. On the other hand partially-acended Zacharias is also big, and stompy though not to the extent as Durthu IIRC, with high strength, toughness, weapon skill, the ability to heal himself and is a better wizard. IMO the biggest factor is how (in)sane Zacharias is.
 
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You know i just realise that the few greatswords who managed to survive since the beginnings of this quest must have a legendary status
 
You know i just realise that the few greatswords who managed to survive since the beginnings of this quest must have a legendary status
I don't think anybody did. In Karak Ungor, all 10 of them were described as being very young.

(Well, now they did, because the Jade Wizards fixed up the amputees, but previous to that, I don't believe a single Greatsword had been with Freddy for more than a couple campaigns)
 
I don't think anybody did. In Karak Ungor, all 10 of them were described as being very young.

(Well, now they did, because the Jade Wizards fixed up the amputees, but previous to that, I don't believe a single Greatsword had been with Freddy for more than a couple campaigns)
We seriously need to start bringing a Jade wizard master with us everywhere we go. Why don't we do that already? Is it outside their contract?
 
I don't think there's that many Jade Wizard masters around So I don't think our current contract would cover them following us on the battlefield without paying them a lot more.
We have Natasha who is the next best thing and luckily for us we are close to a major relic that can increase her powers to that of the level of a goddess which is something we may actually be grateful for if coeddill gets far enough
 
We have Natasha who is the next best thing and luckily for us we are close to a major relic that can increase her powers to that of the level of a goddess which is something we may actually be grateful for if coeddill gets far enough

Incorrect. No wizard, not even Teclis, can suddenly become on the level of a deity simply because of a waystone. Even a Slann couldn't simply be on the level of Tzeentch. They're GODS, my dude.

EDIT: The point of the voted option is that Ice, or rather winter/cold focused magic is extremely effective against fey and wood spirits, and boosting that is likely to be very tactically advantageous. Natasha will not, however, suddenly become on equal standing with a deity on sheer closeness alone. But the boost regardless would be helpful indeed, that part is undeniable.
 
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Incorrect. No wizard, not even Teclis, can suddenly become on the level of a deity simply because of a waystone. Even a Slann couldn't simply be on the level of Tzeentch. They're GODS, my dude.

EDIT: The point of the voted option is that Ice, or rather winter/cold focused magic is extremely effective against fey and wood spirits, and boosting that is likely to be very tactically advantageous. Natasha will not, however, suddenly become on equal standing with a deity on sheer closeness alone. But the boost regardless would be helpful indeed, that part is undeniable.
To my understanding the various nexus of power just makes it easier to wield loads of power.

Knowing what to do with the loads of power or controlling it if you draw above your normal limits is up to your skill.

Which is why they're super valuable for ancient vampires, chaos sorcerors, wizard lords, avatars of deities, etc, but not necessarily offering anything to the average spellcaster beyond the ability to blow themselves up more spectacularly should they embrace hubris.
 
A bit of fancy struck me recently so I thought I'd share it considering things ive said in the past to other people regarding this whole wood elf situation.
 
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