Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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Ian Drash said:
They do have lairs in the Middle Mountains (because we heard a lot of them was killed there) and they tend to repopulate pretty fast, so they will have some influence.
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Literally nothing survived the Orks WAAAGH before they left the mountains and we have scouts looking through it so we would know if anything dangerous was poping up.

We should contact Gurni to tell his clan and any Holds interested in colonizing the Middle Mountains to contact us.

We can't make full use of the Mounatins ouselves so it's better to encourage some Dwarves to make should Holds and we have good relations with them.
 
Chronic said:
She is going to teach Outsiders anyways, our daughters are noticeably not Kislevite.
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There's a big difference between exclusively teaching the daughters of a Kislevite princess and wanting to teach a senior member of a foreign magical institution, one which the teachers would have no authority on, that when that getting to a male is something that they consider such a big risk that they have all the boys who have magic in their land executed or lobotomized.
 
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I wonder if Ice magic is a combination of some of the winds and not all of them. And if it will lead to new combinations being made.
 
Imperious said:
There's a big difference between exclusively teaching the daughters of a Kislevite princess and wanting to teach a senior member of a foreign magical institution, one which the senior teachers would have no authority on, that when that getting to a male is something that they consider such a big risk that they have all the boys who have magic in their land executed or lobotomized.
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Then either keep it secret from Kislev or have Aurelion swear not to teach Ice Magic to males, or simply don't teach her how to use it and have her only observe it to find out how the hell Ice Magic works and whether it uses multiple winds.

Heck, if they want to be anal about it go to war with them over the issue. If Ice Magic really uses multiple winds figuring it out could be a gamechanger completely worth fighting Kislev over it.
 
Chronic said:
Then either keep it secret from Kislev or have Aurelion swear not to teach Ice Magic to males, or simply don't teach her how to use it and have her only observe it to find out how the hell Ice Magic works and whether it uses multiple winds.

Heck, if they want to be anal about it go to war with them over the issue. If Ice Magic really uses multiple winds figuring it out could be a gamechanger completely worth fighting Kislev over it.
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You are completely and utterly insane.

This is in no way a workable solution.

Even if Natasha is willing to break centuries of tradition because we asked nicely, she certainly wouldn't be willing to attack her own homeland.
 
Necron_Lord said:
You are completely and utterly insane.

This is in no way a workable solution.

Even if Natasha is willing to break centuries of tradition because we asked nicely, she certainly wouldn't be willing to attack her own homeland.
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We wouldn't attack them, i am assuming they would attack us because of muh Ice Magic can't be given to Outsiders.

Seriously, if they didn't want the Magic to spread beyond Kislev that badly they shouldn't have married an Ice Mage to the Empire. And Natasha wouldn't even break the rules, Aurelion is female.
 
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Chronic said:
She is going to teach Outsiders anyways, our daughters are noticeably not Kislevite.

Seriously, understanding Ice Magic could be the key to human use of High Magic. This would be an enormous boon to the Empire. We can't let this opportunity slip, investigate the hell out of it before the High Elves go back to Ulthuan.
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It's not. It's ESSENTIALLY like divine magic, where you basically just act as the input/output pipes for an external force to do the shaping of the magic for you.

Worth having Teclis take a look at it, but he's a very busy elf.
 
Massgamer said:
Literally nothing survived the Orks WAAAGH before they left the mountains and we have scouts looking through it so we would know if anything dangerous was poping up.

We should contact Gurni to tell his clan and any Holds interested in colonizing the Middle Mountains to contact us.

We can't make full use of the Mounatins ouselves so it's better to encourage some Dwarves to make should Holds and we have good relations with them.
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The Under-Empire has several tunnels under the Middle Mountains, and if I recall correctly a sizeable lair under Middenheim which is fairly close. Even if the orks scoured everything the skaven can a will repopulate soon, and our scouts above ground won't notice them.

Chronic said:
We wouldn't attack them, i am assuming they would attack us because of muh Ice Magic can't be given to Outsiders.
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How is that better? Also, don't forget that Ice Magic is way less useful the souther one goes, so its utility is questionable for the Empire as a whole. Teclis could have thought mages to use multiple winds, he just decided it leads to insanity in humans. That suggests that there is something else to Ice Magic, I think theories range from "divine help" to "stones in Kislev turning the winds into Ice Magic" and stuff like that.
 
Also this reminds me!

Keep our boys well away from the Ice Wizard twins if we have them come to us in order to teach our girls if we do so in the first place.

Imagine if one of them is the first to discover that one of them has magic...

Though this whole matter is also making me realize that while for now our two daughters learning Ice Magic might be fine, when it comes to next generations it might get into some level of issue depending on how many more will have it.
 
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DragonParadox said:
No they would be attaching the Empire and that scale of war, particularly against the country that holds the line against Chaos, is not worth it for magic that grows progressively weaker the further you go from Kilev.
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The whole point of investigating Ice Magic is to find out if they use multiple winds, and if so, how. And if there are ways for humans to use other winds in concert. If we might even be able to wield honest to goodness High Magic with the right trick.

That is worth it.
 
Chronic said:
The whole point of investigating Ice Magic is to find out if they use multiple winds, and if so, how. And if there are ways for humans to use other winds in concert. If we might even be able to wield honest to goodness High Magic with the right trick.

That is worth it.
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That's a lot of maybes for causing a major war against one of the powers of Order in which we will embroil our overlord and the rest of the empire.
 
Chronic said:
The whole point of investigating Ice Magic is to find out if they use multiple winds, and if so, how. And if there are ways for humans to use other winds in concert. If we might even be able to wield honest to goodness High Magic with the right trick.

That is worth it.
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Priests can use multiple winds to make their god's effects. Because the problem lies with shaping the power. Humans can channel it just fine but they can't really shape it with a human's mental capacity without collapsing into Dhar.
 
Ian Drash said:
The Under-Empire has several tunnels under the Middle Mountains, and if I recall correctly a sizeable lair under Middenheim which is fairly close. Even if the orks scoured everything the skaven can a will repopulate soon, and our scouts above ground won't notice them.
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Ok according to this map their is only a few minor tunnels in the Middle Mountains and only one Lair located outside of our Provinces part of the Mountains located somewhere under Middenland.

Get some help from from some close by Provinces and from whatever Dwarves that want to move in we can wipe it out with enough effort.
 
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veekie said:
It's not. It's ESSENTIALLY like divine magic, where you basically just act as the input/output pipes for an external force to do the shaping of the magic for you.

Worth having Teclis take a look at it, but he's a very busy elf.
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Well, you say that, but is that the truth? Piety scores don't seem to influence Ice Magic, and Natashas explanation about weaving the Magic doesn't seem to suggest an external source.
 
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veekie said:
Priests can use multiple winds to make their god's effects. Because the problem lies with shaping the power. Humans can channel it just fine but they can't really shape it with a human's mental capacity without collapsing into Dhar.
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They are not really priests, notice Natasha's low piety score. They just pretend to be priestesses of the Land to be better accepted. Their magic is dependent on ancient Slann meddling with the magic flow of Kislev though some odd Waystone-like constructs which is why it's not going to yield any amazing results as humans have no way to replicate the work of Slann. Even the Elves save a very few like Teclis cannot do this.
 
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It's not divine magic, but it acts LIKE divine magic.

Regular divine magic:
1) Priest draws in magic energy and pushes it to their god.
2) The god shapes it into the appropriate miracle format using themselves as the template
3) Priest outputs miracle.

Ice magic
1) Ice mage draws in magic energy and pushes it to the Slann working.
2) Working spins the magical energy into Ice Lore
3) Ice mage outputs Ice Magic
 
DragonParadox said:
They are not really priests, notice Natasha's low piety score. They just pretend to be priestesses of the Land to be better accepted. Their magic is dependent on ancient Slann meddling with the magic flow of Kislev though some odd Waystone-like constructs which is why it's not going to yield any amazing results as humans have no way to replicate the work of Slann. Even the Elves save a very few like Teclis cannot do this.
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You say that, but is that explicitly made canon anywhere? Torroar might well choose a different explanation for how Ice Magic works here.
 
Some of them are totes priests tho

Ya'll, Ice Magic is mysterious as fuck

Also, I ain't never said nothin' bout no Slann

Ain't never said nothing against no Slann either

End point is this, I'm tired and irritated as fuck because of the bus ride home, so lemme GM lock it down

Natasha ain't revealing squat diddly diddly squat about Ice Magic, not even to Teclis. Neither are the Twins after they finish training. Accept it for what it is, and move onto a differnt topic.
 
The best explanation I have for the winds of magic is the painter's analogy. Each mage is basically painting their effects unto a piece of paper. However, while Elves come naturally with normal fine paintbrushes, humans have to make do with a mop. While the Normal winds are only one color, which either can do with no problem, High magic is asking them to paint a rainbow without overlapping the colors. Ice magic, I see as just a can of pre-mixed consistent paint limited for Kislevites to use. For all we know, elves might be able to figure out Ice magic with enough exposure and experimentation, but it's finding the right shade without blowing yourself up that's the problem.
 
Yeah, Ice Magic is just tapping a pre-mixed set of Magic by the leyline network Kislev is built on. The hard part of High Magic is actually blending it into the High Magic form.
 
GM locked it down so new topic.

After we lock down the Middle Mountanis what should be the next big thing we should do?
 
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