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Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism
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Daecl
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Don't count on it. The quote may be in regards to Freddy, but age is less of a thing in Warhammer.
Magnus the Pious' birthdate on the Boris Todbringer Family Tree is 2280. Which would put Canon Magnus the Pious at 89 years old before death.
Even if people in Warhammer continue to function normally until the moment they keel over and die, die of old age they do.
Johanna was born 2281 IC.
The current year is 2337 IC.
2337-2281=56.
Adolf Fuerbach is Johanna Fuerbach's father. It's probably safe to assume he was 18+ when he became a father, which would put Adolf Fuerbach somewhere in his mid-70s at a conservative estimate.
There's probably RNG being rolled in the background already but he could just as easily end up chugging along for the next 10-15 years.
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Wonder if Torroar had to roll a health check for to see if that letter gave him a hate stroke?
Torroar proclaimed once that he rolled for Magnus to have an increased chance of a heart attack every time Freddy was in the vicinity of Nuln, not sure if this is still true.
You are correct. The same goes for all of the Electors, ATM. You never know what can happen. Like the Grand Theogonist who bribed Ludwig the Fat to give the position of GT an Elector Seat dying the next day from suffocating on his own neck fat. One day to the next, yeah?
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fuck ME I just found the Todbringer family tree and it says that Gunthar wasn't born until 2305. Damn it, that makes things a bit wonky, it does. I need to check my notes...
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Okay, things still work. Sort of. It just means he wasn't able to accomplish more before he became the Graf, which only emphasizes his need to prove himself and inferiority complex vs. his brother even more.
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Thors_Alumni
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Can you please explain more about Gunthar because i don't know enough about Warhammer to understand.
Gunthar is younger than torroar expected, so he had to rework Gunthar's background a bit. And wow, he's 19 years younger than Fredrick, practically whippersnapper. We were fighting at Salkalten when he was born.
That... seriously takes the wind out of his sails. He was kinda browbeating Freddy with his experience as a participant of the war against Chaos during the entire time we knew eachother, but now he only actually has a fraction of the experience Freddy has. The main reason why we were so delicate with him and acquiesced to so many of his unreasonable demans was because of his influence as a war hero...
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It does explain why he is constantly trying to get of Freddy's shadow though.
Yeah but before he had a lot of ground to stand on and influence to spare, so he could make ridiculous demands and accusations of us like the whole Middle Mountains debacle. Now he just looks incredibly petty and tremendously arrogant, while before, his status as a decorated war hero sorta shielded his reputation from that.
Edit: although, incredibly petty and tremendously arrogant kinda suit his character.
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HEY @torroar we have had this for a while and have not worked on it as far as I know ? and it seems like good time to start with all the farming reforms we are doing
maybe an action to found a college of civil engineering and architecture to handle non military research
maybe an action to found a college of civil engineering and architecture to handle non military research
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they weren't "ridiculous demands and accusations" we literally and indisputable invaded middenland, Norland and Hochland when we forcefully occupied the middlemountains, without talking/asking anybody beforehand
And all he asked us was to stop occupying part of his country,
Could he have done this nicer and be less an ass about it?
Sure,
But by then we had already occupied it for several years and hadn't thought about stopping either,
So that part is all on us, nevermind the fact that he was inaccurate information for what we were doing with it, which didn't help with the situation either
Those territories weren't anybody's, Tor even said that the maps frequently overlapped because all the provinces "claimed" it as their own even though it was never before in control of any of the electors or any other Imperial for that matter. He used his influences as a decorated war hero to accuse us of stealing his clay even though we didn't actually claim it as Ostland's unlike previous Ostland counts and we were the ones who did all the heavy lifting in clearing them and then fortifying them and even then he demanded that he get the vast majority of it for no reason. Those weren't ridiculous and outrageous before because he was a famous and influential figure and could by dint of that make those demands of us, if he wasn't he'd be laughed out of the Meet, it'd be like if Hochland's elector count tried the same back then.
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I would keep his age same as before (quest-wise) honestly. It works better.
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Violation of Rule 4: Spaghetti posting.
No there were parts that everybody claimed, however there were also parts that uncontested belonged to different countries and that's the difference,
And yet what we did was occupying all like it was ours, even if we just would have to read a history book and find out that it isn't
the only reason there wasn't a bigger backlash from this,was due Stephan being our friend and hochland lacking a central authority
Else there could have been war against us that would have been completely justified
Not because we took the clay from the beastmen and Orcs, but because we refused to reach out to the other elector counts and talk about the clay we recovered and instead insisted that this clay now all belongs to us
No we occupied it, which is the simplest form of of claiming
Lol are you for real, maybe you want to reread the section where we claimed the mountains, if we go by 'who took the most monster' all of the mountains should go to hochland, because they tanked to Bastards when they left the mountain
We simple moved in to claim it when it was empty, nothing more
He had a claim to it and that has to be said to the matter
Because claims do matter immensely, especially in a medieval setting like WHF
Without a claim, you have not justification to holding any land that you take, making you just a petty Warlord at best and a powerhungry murder-hobo at worst
In modern terms what we did was building a house on a property of a third party and now you complain that we couldn't keep the house and the property when the owner of the property came to chase us out and ask us "for what the fuck were are doing" on his property
And on what justification shouldn't Hochland be able to do this ?
Be careful Sheo, cause if you say that they are obviously weaker then us, then I will be all for Marienburg and the Moot uniting the Southern countries to wreck our economy, because clearly they are the stronger ones and therefore in the right
Weaker politically... Gunthers strong position allows him to better contest our actions on a diplomatic front. Where a less influental elector could not have contested our actions as strongly.ita not aa mstter of who is the the 'right' its about who has the soft and hard power to counterbalance our choices. There is nothing atopping the southern electors and marienburgers from doing exactly that.which is why we have been trying to expand our diplomatic influence as soon as we became aware of the issue.
iggyfan
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No we just took the parts Ostland claimed, Hochland still had their part and Middenland still had a sliver that the former Count Toddbringer
And he demanded all of those too and we gave it all to him. In fact the only places we didn't give him were the small area that we had people settled in.
He also demanded that we evacuate all of our military from the mountains and have him occupy our lands! We talked the meat head out of that one but it was still taken seriously in the Meet when he demanded it.
No we didn't, occupying land is not the same as annexation. Gunther wasn't asking to annex our part of the MMs when he demanded we hand over all military matters in the area to him, the same is true for Freddy.
No it isn't. Again, Gunther wanted to occupy our lands too and no one accused him of wanting to claim or annex them.
Hochland got invaded by all the nasties from the MMs but even when we invaded the MMs right afterwards the monster population was already starting to recover, we also had several flareups when we were occupying it. So no, they weren't empty.
Claims only matter when you've got might to back it up. Again, that's why we didn't hear a peep from Hochland when we occupied their "claims" (incredibly weak claims for that matter, since again, not one of then has ever held those portions of the MMs) and were surprised when they got any territory out of it.
Medieval sensibilities or modern sensibilities, take your pick, you can't have both. And again, that property wasn't owned by the owner, he at most had a hand written deed made by himself and had never even set foot in that property. So...
What? "In the right"? "Justified"? This is politics, what fantasy land are you talking about?
Ah yes. Now I remember, we didn't even do anything to his claimed areas. He was annoyed that he wasn't the one leading the conquest of the MMs and wanted all of the contested areas for himself as recompense for lost glory.
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iggyfan
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More accurately we didn't do anything the the parts we didn't claim.
Although now I can clearly see the reasons behind his inferiority complex. His brother is the person who beat back an unstoppable chaos horde and united the Empire after centuries of civil war, doing miracle after miracle and all he's managed to do is fuck up in one of his only duties and let Hochland get invaded.
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Argidoll
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Also, beforehand Dolph was mind tricking the Middleland nobles into being yes-men, which, combined with the clout of Magnus's protection meant he probably didn't have anyone seriously contest anything he said or did since becoming an Elector Count, hell, probably for a fair bit of time before that, too.
And then Frederick happened.
yannoshka
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@sidestory @Prince Sheo
My personal view on the matter in question, is that Sheo has the better of it.
Let's review the facts:
At some point in history, Middenheim held a claim to portions of MM.
At some point of history, Ostland held a claim to portions of MM.
Same as above for Nordland and Hochland.
The claims did overlap, at least in certain parts.
There is NO clearcut resolution that describes whose and which claims held precedence.
At some point in history, count of Middenheim held a title of "Warden of the MM".
For the past however many generations, however, effective control of the MM was exerted by the enemies of mankind - greenskins and beastmen, and NO imperial province seems to have been able to successfully contest that control.
Thus, all claims can be considered empty and expired.
Claim means nothing if you cannot exert power over that which you claim.
That is the very basics of the "Right of conquest"
Ostland reconquered the MM, taking it back from the hands (and paws, pincers, etc) of the enemies of mankind.
Gunther did nothing except spout old claims and titles. Old claims and titles he, again, did nothing to make meaningful, except marrying into the family that held them.
Empire is decidedly NOT anything alike USA. It is fantasy HRE. Counts historically did war against each other, and in absence of strong emperors in the future would do so again.
Again, claims are only worth the paper and ink they had been written on in the absence of the ability to enforce them.
My personal view on the matter in question, is that Sheo has the better of it.
Let's review the facts:
At some point in history, Middenheim held a claim to portions of MM.
At some point of history, Ostland held a claim to portions of MM.
Same as above for Nordland and Hochland.
The claims did overlap, at least in certain parts.
There is NO clearcut resolution that describes whose and which claims held precedence.
At some point in history, count of Middenheim held a title of "Warden of the MM".
For the past however many generations, however, effective control of the MM was exerted by the enemies of mankind - greenskins and beastmen, and NO imperial province seems to have been able to successfully contest that control.
Thus, all claims can be considered empty and expired.
Claim means nothing if you cannot exert power over that which you claim.
That is the very basics of the "Right of conquest"
Ostland reconquered the MM, taking it back from the hands (and paws, pincers, etc) of the enemies of mankind.
Gunther did nothing except spout old claims and titles. Old claims and titles he, again, did nothing to make meaningful, except marrying into the family that held them.
Empire is decidedly NOT anything alike USA. It is fantasy HRE. Counts historically did war against each other, and in absence of strong emperors in the future would do so again.
Again, claims are only worth the paper and ink they had been written on in the absence of the ability to enforce them.
Even then, said title doesn't really cover territory, it was a military position similar to the Keeper of The Coast positions (except those turned into ceremonial titles with the creation of the Imperial Navy and it's fleets), the title only defers the responsibility of keeping the Empire protected from the monsters in the MMs, something he utterly failed in doing.
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