[X] "I just wanted to say thank you all for being here. I think this kind of discourse between Elector Counts is important, it allows us to better cooperate and act like a real Empire rather than a bunch of quibbling warlords. I couldn't have gone up against Gruber successfully without the aid those of you who were able to sent, and I think it's the same here. When we work together we can do more than we could on our own.
So thank you.
Uh. That's ... that's all."
 
[x] Say Nothing: Meet 'ends', able to speak once more to Aurelion and head home.

Yeah lets just pack our things, talk to the elf mage, go home, drink ostka and play with our kids with out making a speech when we are incapable of making good speeches
 
I'd rather not try to make a diplomatic statement with a character who has a pathetic diplomacy score. Seems like it's just asking for our character to screw it up, just like the last time we tried a clever write-in for a diplomacy option. Let's just be satisfied with what we got, and go home. No need to deliberately do things that are outside of our skill zone.
 
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People don't seem to care considering they are still voting for sage's terrible speech after all the issues with it has been pointed it out.
To be fair, the votes seem to heavily favor saying nothing, which I am in full support of.

[X] Say Nothing: Meet 'ends', able to speak once more to Aurelion and head home.
 
No. That doesn't make us more pleasant. It makes us sound like an idiot and an ass. Your vote is pretty much designed to fuck us over in several different ways. And when called out on that you pretty much go it's not that. It's the ale talking. Which means you made it like that on purpose.

Why would I ever strive to fuck people over? Please, you've pointed out the inherent flaws in my speech so let me address them and don't assume I'm a bad person because I didn't get my way in terms of not accepting the Imperial Triumph.

The speech is meant to, entirely, say that Frederick is as much fault as Victor. 'We' addresses all the people, including us. Essentially, we considered Magnus' words and are striving to change that. Magnus spoke to us, we relayed why we didn't change, and essentially thought it over and decided to at least promise military aid when necessary.

The last part is a simple promise, that we will commit a Personal Action , whenever an Elector Meet is occurring.

I did not write that speech with any intent whatsoever, to harm our quest.
 
Why would I ever strive to fuck people over? Please, you've pointed out the inherent flaws in my speech so let me address them and don't assume I'm a bad person because I didn't get my way in terms of not accepting the Imperial Triumph.

The speech is meant to, entirely, say that Frederick is as much fault as Victor. 'We' addresses all the people, including us. Essentially, we considered Magnus' words and are striving to change that. Magnus spoke to us, we relayed why we didn't change, and essentially thought it over and decided to at least promise military aid when necessary.

The last part is a simple promise, that we will commit a Personal Action , whenever an Elector Meet is occurring.

I did not write that speech with any intent whatsoever, to harm our quest.
When the flaws were pointed out you proceeded to blame them on the ale fredrick is drinking. That to me sounded like you intentionally put them in. Sorry if I missunderstood what you meant.
 
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No the big problem is that the nobles of Hochland constantly fuck us over and act offended when we try to due joint projects with them. They make us do all the work and then try to claim it for themselves.
And doing nothing will just keep the problem perpetuating. Every time the issue between the two provinces has been brought up its the bridge that is the first problem that is mentioned. Address this issue as it seems to be a sticking point to further agreements and discussions. I'm not advocating doing anything over the top, but politics isn't about who is in the right about something, but about making compromises and working out issues. Sometimes you have to give a little to gain something.
 
And doing nothing will just keep the problem perpetuating. Every time the issue between the two provinces has been brought up its the bridge that is the first problem that is mentioned. Address this issue as it seems to be a sticking point to further agreements and discussions. I'm not advocating doing anything over the top, but politics isn't about who is in the right about something, but about making compromises and working out issues. Sometimes you have to give a little to gain something.
Molyneux, every time we try they refuse to meet us half way and proceed to dick us over. Fredrick even said that.
 
No. That doesn't make us more pleasant. It makes us sound like an idiot and an ass. Your vote is pretty much designed to fuck us over in several different ways. And when called out on that you pretty much go it's not that. It's the ale talking. Which means you made it like that on purpose.
Whoa, hold on there. It's one thing to say 'your write-in would make things worse'. It's quite another to say 'you're deliberately trying to screw us over'.
 
Whoa, hold on there. It's one thing to say 'your write-in would make things worse'. It's quite another to say 'you're deliberately trying to screw us over'.
He proceeded to blame it on the ale that fredrick was drinking. The issues with his write in that is. So it looked like he was trying to screw us over deliberately by rping that Fredrick was making a mistake due to the ale that he drank. I apologized after being told he wasn't.
 
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Molyneux, every time we try they refuse to meet us half way and proceed to dick us over. Fredrick even said that.
I must have missed the turns when "WE" have engaged Hochland in any diplomatic discussion about any deals and they then proceeded to fuck us over with. The issue is an old one that started a long time ago and since we have been the Elector Count we have had sweet fuck all to do with them. Freddy's father had a rivalry going with Nordland, but we have worked on that, admittedly coming to their aid really did help with that, but the point is that just because an old grudge exists there is no reason that we can work on improving the situation. Their Elector Count may want to skin us alive at the moment and may not be willing to work with us at the moment, and if that is the case then so be it, but if we continue to just go fuck'em they don't like us any way and pursue actions that are actively detrimental to them, then don't be surprised if they start actively working against us in some manner. Then of course people will be jumping up and down demanding that we go and punch him in the face, because how dare he not see the brilliance of what we are doing and simply fall in line like everyone else.

This however is not what I had actually asked in the other post. Does anyone have any other ideas on how we could improve relations with Hochland?
 
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I think it's safe to assume that people are acting in what we believe is correct, guys.

I'm sure that my input was simply conteversial enough to warrant a spirited debate, in which I missaid things in an attempt of humor that was misinterpreted.

It has been clarified, and nightblade and I understand where each other is coming from.

Here, for easier vote counting and perusal, perhaps someone can make it better.

[X] Sage_Of_Eyes
 
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I must have missed the turns when "WE" have engaged Hochland in any diplomatic discussion about any deals and they then proceeded to fuck us over with. The issue is an old one that started a long time ago and since we have been the Elector Count we have had sweet fuck all to do with them. Freddy's father had a rivalry going with Nordland, but we have worked on that, admittedly coming to their aid really did help with that, but the point is that just because an old grudge exists there is no reason that we can work on improving the situation. Their Elector Count may want to skin us alive at the moment and may not be willing to work with us at the moment, and if that is the case then so be it, but if we continue to just go fuck'em they don't like us any way and pursue actions that are actively detrimental to them, then don't be surprised if they start actively working against us in some manner. Then of course people will be jumping up and down demanding that we go and punch him in the face, because how dare he not see the brilliance of what we are doing and simply fall in line like everyone else.

This however is not what I had actually asked in the other post. Does anyone have any other ideas on how we could improve relations with Hochland?
We've had zero opportunities to interact with Hochland until this Meet, so please don't talk like we've been ignoring them from the start.
 
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This however is not what I had actually asked in the other post. Does anyone have any other ideas on how we could improve relations with Hochland?

Yes, wait until the old bastard dies and hope his heir is smarter and will actually keep bargains made with another country/Elector Count. We can't be friends with everyone; especially on a country wide scale.

Also, wait until they've actually put forth effort to meet us half way on something instead of repeating what they've historically done EVERY time our family has tried to work with them. Throwing good money/effort/time after bad is a very bad thing to do.
 
Hochland's count is old anyway, we'd see a new count within the next two decades

[x] Say Nothing: Meet 'ends', able to speak once more to Aurelion and head home.

We aren't much for grand speeches.
Drunk speeches are fine, but not grand speeches.
 
Although i am in favor of trying to work with Hochland but i rather we solidify our economy with friendlier provinces before touching Hochland. If something happens at least Nordland, Ostermark and Talabecland are not going start raising pitchfork and torches at us claiming heavy compensation by blaming us cause of bad luck or an attack by hostile forces.

Hochland is like playing with a live hand grenade since if anything happens our economy gonna be in a world of hurt at this current stage. Lets actually try when the risk is minimal in several years later.
 
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