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Personally, I would prefer Sabine, both to strengthen ties to the South and because she is able to help us in our weakest areas. I mean, I feel like a lot of our failures have been because of poor intrigue. Sabine would help with that a lot.
 
Truthfully I don't want the religious zealot to be magnus wife.... we have a good thing going with the many churches in our province and I wold rather not have a ONLY SIGMAR MATTERS HERITIC! waifu for magnus.

They may have a lot in common now especially with their shared hatreds.... but sometimes you need to balance personalities lest magnus start to gain some negative traits.

Also we could use some spy masters in our bloodline, our children are an..interesting bunch already.
 
ninjafish said:
Sabine just seems boring and mediocre, especially in the area we've relied on the hardest.

I'd rather our kids be monstrous in strength and be a bit off rather than them be sane sneaky sneaks who die them moment they get into the kind of fights their father and grandfather get into.

Because they fucking will.

Also regina also has better base diplomacy than magnus, and piety is useful as shit as always.




yeah our kids are also going to be fighting.

So giving them a genetic leg up on that is high priority to me.
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Sabine is Ruthless, she is a business savy person with a mean streak. Magnus already has all the genetic traits, so he can already give his kids "strong".

I don't see the genetic leg up you can get from marrying a crazy person who hates Yew trees and Bears.

Trait: Hatred of Yew Trees – "One fell on me as a child. I DO NOT LIKE THEM!" (+2 Martial Against Wood-based foes)
Trait: Hatred of Bears - "I wrestled one once, but IT CHEATED TO WIN! RAAAAAGH!" (+2 Martial Against Bears)

This is Regina folks, she has great martial and piety, but is crazy with 5 intrigue and 10 learning.
 
Dutch's Imperial Culture Corner: Why Not To Support Ranald
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    • Edit: Apologies for the crude form compared to the others, but the thread was being stupid.

    Oh boy. Is it that time again?

    I gotta admit, I've missed these educational moments.

    Below: Why supporting the Cult of Ranald is a bad idea.

    A deity of the common people, the fickle God of Luck and
    Good Fortune, the quintessential rogue, Ranald is all these
    things and more. His is a curious cult, for it lacks the trappings,
    the pomp and majesty, even the structure of other cults. His priests
    are thieves, tricksters, and gamblers, rather than the educated
    effete elite so favoured by others. His temples are the gaming
    halls, the brothels, the taverns, and other dens of iniquity, not
    the gilt structures of gold and marble. Indeed, Ranald and his
    priests are unlike any others—a fact that is both distressing
    and delightful.

    Part of Ranald's curious nature stems from the fact
    that this God has a several different aspects. To most,
    he is known as the Night Prowler, God of Thieves
    and patron of thieves and rogues. Venerated by the
    criminal elements in the Old World, his symbols and
    sayings serve as the foundation for much of the secret
    language used by thieves.

    Ranald is also the Deceiver, watching over, or rather
    inspiring, charlatans and tricksters. In this way, Ranald
    is something of a force of nature, the personification
    of irony but also illusion—hence Ranald's appeal to
    Grey Wizards. As well, Ranald is the patron of gaming,
    gambling, and more than anything, luck. It is in this
    form that Ranald is upheld by the Empire folk and to
    curry favour with the God, Old Worlders employ a dizzying array
    of superstitious sayings and gestures to ensure they retain or acquire
    the God's attention.

    Of all the forms Ranald assumes, though, none is more brutally
    oppressed than his role as the Protector. The symbol of freedom
    from tyranny, liberation from despots, and the symbol of
    revolution, this aspect of Ranald is embraced by agitators,
    demagogues, and even a few politicians. In fact, Ranald in this role
    is a rallying force for the democratic movement that persists in the
    Empire's largest cities.
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    Most trust only their own wits and abilities, taking what they can
    and praying to Ranald to keep them one step away from danger.
    Cultists laugh at limitations and boundaries placed upon them, and
    often break laws and enter into forbidden areas just for the sake of
    doing so, slipping back into the shadows and teeming, anonymous
    masses before getting caught.
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    Cultists of Ranald often have personalities that mimic the
    four main aspects of Ranald. Those who follow the Night
    Prowler are thieves and larcenists, who perform crimes just
    as much for the thrill of performing the perfect caper as they
    do for the loot. Those who follow Ranald the Deceiver are
    smooth con artists, who move easily through all strata of society,
    never laying down roots and constantly on the prowl for new
    targets to fleece through the use of clever thought and silvertongued
    lies. Cultists of Ranald the Gamester are consummate
    gamblers and risk takers, spending their days playing games of
    chance and concocting schemes to gain more money so they can
    continue their passion. To them, money is not the ends, but the
    means, to happiness. Lastly, there are the cultists who believe
    in Ranald the Protector and take up the mantle as the guardian
    for those who cannot defend themselves. They are infamous for
    stealing from the well-to-do in order to assist the poor, exposing
    the hypocrisy and excesses of the powerful, and standing up for the
    rights of the common citizen from thuggery, senseless persecution,
    and exploitation. Most other
    cults consider members of this
    "sect" the worst of the lot, as
    they often attempt to disrupt
    the status quo in the name of
    freedom and justice, regardless
    of the cost to the rest of society.
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    Cultists of Ranald believe in individuality, freedom from
    oppression, and the rise and fall of fortune and luck. They adhere
    to the belief that whilst Ranald grants his blessing on those that call
    often enough, he's more inclined to help those that help themselves.
    Cultists attempt to balance practicality with an irreverent attitude,
    knowing that what's here today could disappear tomorrow—and
    vice versa. The most altruistic strive to better the lives of other,
    usually through the wealth and power of other, wealthier
    individuals.
    Although theft, cheating, lying, and skulduggery are all acceptable
    in the eyes of Ranald, violence, and especially murder, should be
    avoided at all costs. A common thug that slits the throat and steals
    the purse of a wealthy merchant while invoking Ranald's name is
    more likely to lose his favour than most.
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    Of all the cults recognised in the Old World, the Cult of Ranald is
    the loosest and least organised. It's comprised mostly of individuals
    that give him honour and ask for favours in return, rather than a
    unified congregation of worshippers. Because of this, it's difficult to
    find much in the way of a single creed for cultists, other than "do
    what you want," with the unspoken addendum of "don't get caught
    in the process." The cult has no real structure and the majority of
    priests work independently, leading their own calling in life. This,
    of course, makes true representation at the Grand Conclave (see
    page 26) both difficult and infuriating for the other cults, who
    grow exasperated by the ever-changing rotation of high priests and
    agendas of the cult.
    When cultists of Ranald band together, they usually do so in small
    cells of ten or less people, and keep their business secret. These
    groups are typically short-lived and self-serving, in the same way
    that a traditional group of expert criminals might band together for
    a single act of crime before dispersing to the winds with their riches
    and stories (of course, most cultists are expert criminals).
    Other cells have a distinctly anarchic outlook and spend their
    time plotting ways to overthrow various organisations. They send
    out agitators among the general populace, sabotage infrastructure,
    and dig up incriminating evidence to blackmail and smear
    tyrannical rulers. These cells establish relations with other cells
    through carefully guarded connections. Typically a cell member
    is aware of a single member of another cell, but no-one else, in
    order to keep potential leaks and turncoats from disrupting the
    entire group.
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    • Slaggedfire said:
    Yeah, we are going to be fighting, not our wife. When was the last time that Natasha joined us in a war? Not all fights happen out in the open where martial makes a difference, sometimes they happen in the shadows...
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    And Sabine would be able to make the realm stronger so we'd in turn have more resources to wage the wars we need to, together with intrigue to fuck up enemies before they can bring soldiers to bear against us.
    A useful assassination against, say, a greenskin leader? Or early warning of vampire movement?
    Or, hell, keeping track of potential Chaos infiltration? All of that would be very useful for making our good Martial matter even more.

    Part of why modern military is so superior to the past is information-gathering.
     
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    Krain said:
    And Sabine would be able to make the realm stronger so we'd in turn have more resources to wage the wars we need to, together with intrigue to fuck up enemies before they can bring soldiers to bear against us.
    A useful assassination against, say, a greenskin leader? Or early warning of vampire movement?
    Or, hell, keeping track of potential Chaos infiltration? All of that would be very useful for making our good Martial matter even more.
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    but we don't need either of those things.

    We have tons of money.

    like metric fuckloads of it.

    And our intrigue failures were the result of critfails, there was sweet fuck all we could do about it.


    Slaggedfire said:
    Sabine is Ruthless, she is a business savy person with a mean streak. Magnus already has all the genetic traits, so he can already give his kids "strong".

    I don't see the genetic leg up you can get from marrying a crazy person who hates Yew trees and Bears.

    Trait: Hatred of Yew Trees – "One fell on me as a child. I DO NOT LIKE THEM!" (+2 Martial Against Wood-based foes)
    Trait: Hatred of Bears - "I wrestled one once, but IT CHEATED TO WIN! RAAAAAGH!" (+2 Martial Against Bears)

    This is Regina folks, she has great martial and piety, but is crazy with 5 intrigue and 10 learning.
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    Comes down to how base stats are calculated, by default regina's and magnus's kids would have monstrous levels of martial.

    Sabines kids would be much weaker.
     
    ninjafish said:
    a bit off
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    reginas traits give the impression that shell try to kill fred the minute she hears about our beautiful, wonderful twin daughters. And then go for the daughters.
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    Trait: Hatred of Beastmen – "BURN the Mutant, destroy the UNCLEAN!" (+2 Martial Against Beastmen)
    Trait: Hatred of Chaos – "Let the HERETIC FEEL THE HELDENHAMMER'S FURY!" (+2 Martial Against Chaos-aligned Foes)
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    also, shes a straight-up lunatic.
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    Trait: Hatred of Yew Trees – "One fell on me as a child. I DO NOT LIKE THEM!" (+2 Martial Against Wood-based foes)
    Trait: Hatred of Bears - "I wrestled one once, but IT CHEATED TO WIN! RAAAAAGH!" (+2 Martial Against Bears)
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    torroar said:
    Trait: Angry Place – Sometimes falls into a fit of uneclipsed fury when faced with something offensive in the eyes of Sigmar. The only recourse is trying to calm down for several days…or violence. (+4 Martial, -2 Diplomacy, -2 Stewardship, -2 Intrigue)
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    note: the above is not what fred does. Fred calms down almost immediately after the thing that made him angry is gone. She takes days.


    this is not someone I would like in our family.
     
    DocMatoi said:
    reginas traits give the impression that shell try to kill fred the minute she hears about our beautiful, wonderful twin daughters. And then go for the daughters.

    also, shes a straight-up lunatic.


    note: the above is not what fred does. Fred calms down almost immediately after the thing that made him angry is gone. She takes days.


    this is not someone I would like in our family.
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    WOG she doesn't hate magic ever since a jade wizard kept her from having her face ripped off.

    She's incredibly pious, but shes not going hate magic that's used for the good of the empire.
     
    ninjafish said:
    but we don't need either of those things.

    We have tons of money.

    like metric fuckloads of it.
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    We'll always need money, dude - we're going to have to keep growing just to stay alive, this is warhammer, can't afford to stop.
    The North should still be poorer than the South, and we get the majority of attention from Norscans.
    And Marienburg is going to be aiming to mess with us due to us getting richer now, so who knows how long we'll remain as wealthy as we are.
     
    ninjafish said:
    but we don't need either of those things.

    We have tons of money.

    like metric fuckloads of it.

    And our intrigue failures were the result of critfails, there was sweet fuck all we could do about it.





    Comes down to how base stats are calculated, by default regina's and magnus's kids would have monstrous levels of martial.

    Sabines kids would be much weaker.
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    Look we have to face the music, we can't rely on all our kids being able to wrestle a bloodthirst to the floor.

    Also really? "We have tons of money so why bother making more" That is what you said basically. You can never have too much money!
     
    ninjafish said:
    Yes you can.

    The desire for more of anything is Slaaneshi as shit.
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    Dude, no.
    We need to keep growing, because the world will sure as shit not let us stagnate.
    And for improvements (be it military or civilian or anything else), we need more money, more wealth, more resources, all so we can prep for the next mess.
    That's just how these sort of quests work, you have to keep running to not die, in the world of warhammer.
     
    Hmm. I honestly think eva is better but more of political and emotional landmine.

    Sabine is interesting. Would like more info.
    The problem with Regina in my eyes is less that shes a fanatic, and more that I think the eugenics bonus the kids would get would be less then the other options.

    Remember that fred and magnus are straddling what is naturally possible for humans fighty wise.

    Eva and Sabine on the other hand could even out our families weaker statlines. Food for thought.
     
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    Let's be clear.
    We're playing a dynasty.
    Our job is to make our dynasty as strong as possible and have it last as long as possible.
    Quest is not over when Freddy dies.
    Inevitably, Magnus will face troubles - and so will his children, and their children, and so on and so forth.
    If we don't have a lot of resources, we're likelier to fail.

    Thus, we can never realistically have enough, because the problems we face will scale up with us, since we're not just stuck playing a single dude, but an Elector Count who needs to manage resources and play politics and keep an eye on problems to stomp them.
     
    ninjafish said:
    And our intrigue failures were the result of critfails, there was sweet fuck all we could do about it.
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    You remember when we critfailed and a vampire panicked, killed some witch hunters and ran away? If we didn't fail that vampire and her coven would still be there and we would have no idea they even existed. That is a failure of our intrigue system.
     
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