Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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Oh cool, we're right on Kislev's border. I think getting friendly with them will be mutually beneficial...once everyone rebuilds of course :p
 
But seriously, we can't ignore Piety.

...Although given we got it pretty low and are currently with Sigmar...
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Would converting to Ulric give us a higher Piety score?
 
Having Helgana turn half of Alysium into one giant flesh-based nuclear Warp Bomb would have been pretttttty neat though. But then you went and healed her husband. So....eh. Whateves. Working on first turn now.
 
I mean, ignore piety? It's not like we're magically going to be trying to lower our piety, but there are more interesting options out there, and honestly I think our lack of piety makes us an interesting character. I mean, I loved that introduction, and your first thought is, "Let's harsh that buzz and make him another generic all-around high-everything guy forever."
 
The Laurent said:
I mean, ignore piety? It's not like we're magically going to be trying to lower our piety, but there are more interesting options out there, and honestly I think our lack of piety makes us an interesting character. I mean, I loved that introduction, and your first thought is, "Let's harsh that buzz and make him another generic all-around high-everything guy forever."
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My first thought is "let's make it as high as possible so Chaos will find it harder to screw with us".
I don't see what's so damn generic about that - or why it'd be bad to be generic in getting high Piety given what's out there in the world.

torroar said:
Having Helgana turn half of Alysium into one giant flesh-based nuclear Warp Bomb would have been pretttttty neat though. But then you went and healed her husband. So....eh. Whateves. Working on first turn now.
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Yeah, look at this everyone.
THIS is what can happen with low piety.
 
Ah, I forgot that Jakob ended up boosting his Piety by 10 points over the course of his life. Yea, we should at least do that much.
 
Since we share a border with Kislev maybe we can get a wife from there that covers for our weaknesses and can use ice magic.
 
Personally I think he'd become more pious AFTER he pulls a few miracleworkings in the reconstruction and recovery.

Right now he hates both Chaos and the gods. He can't just 'become pious' like that. He needs to actually see some divine aid to get better, and is quite likely to get worse if he botches the rolls to improve his piety.

I'd raise his diplomacy first so he at least wouldn't spit while in church listening to sermons.
 
Krain said:
My first thought is "let's make it as high as possible so Chaos will find it harder to screw with us".
I don't see what's so damn generic about that - or why it'd be bad to be generic in getting high Piety given what's out there in the world.


Yeah, look at this everyone.
THIS is what can happen with low piety.
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I simply like that our character is somewhat skeptical of this sort of thing, and I find it an endearing character trait, and think it'd be sorta annoying and lame if he wound up the sort of 'pray all day every day' boring God Botherer. Sure, I'd be fine taking the points, but the problem is then we have to change his attitude. And, I guess if we increase it by 10 points it happens, but why do we need to do more than get it up to 8, or whatnot? I mean generic in the sense that, unless Piety represents something else entirely, we'll be going down the same path as literally every Warhammer character I can think of.

So, we're going to have to agree to disagree, since I like our character as is, with his own interesting and unique personality that includes a skepticism of the gods, while still hating the hell out of Chaos.
 
Massgamer said:
Since we share a border with Kislev maybe we can get a wife from there that covers for our weaknesses and can use ice magic.
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Nah, that would be really bad actually, since she'd be a foreigner that probably worships a god not accepted by the Empire.

Jakob's other marriage option besides Maria was a Kislevite Ice Witch who had...even lover Piety then he did.
 
"These ones," Frederick says while pointing at all the nominally 'Good' Gods, "are freaking useless!"

"Theses ones," Frederick says while pointing at all the nominally 'Evil' Gods, "are fucking assholes!"

Then he drinks several mugs of ale and then throws said empty mugs at both groups.
 
I wish we had traits available to substitute or bolster a stat with another. Sorta like how in some games you can use one stat to 'cover' for another? Like our knowledge and Learning includes learning about protective charms, about the dangers of the Chaos Gods, and all that sort of stuff, so that even though we're not pious, we can use 'actually knowing about this shit' to buff our piety in relations to corruptive threats, though not in terms of how pious people see us.

If that makes any sense?
 
torroar said:
"These ones," Frederick says while pointing at all the nominally 'Good' Gods, "are freaking useless!"

"Theses ones," Frederick says while pointing at all the nominally 'Evil' Gods, "are fucking assholes!"

Then he drinks several mugs of ale and then throws said empty mugs at both groups.
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Hmm...is there a non-Duncan god of beer? I think the dwarves might have one.

There might be an avenue there. :p
 
The Laurent said:
I simply like that our character is somewhat skeptical of this sort of thing, and I find it an endearing character trait, and think it'd be sorta annoying and lame if he wound up the sort of 'pray all day every day' boring God Botherer. Sure, I'd be fine taking the points, but the problem is then we have to change his attitude. And, I guess if we increase it by 10 points it happens, but why do we need to do more than get it up to 8, or whatnot? I mean generic in the sense that, unless Piety represents something else entirely, we'll be going down the same path as literally every Warhammer character I can think of.

So, we're going to have to agree to disagree, since I like our character as is, with his own interesting and unique personality that includes a skepticism of the gods, while still hating the hell out of Chaos.
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Look, I can understand that, but wanting to be completely unique, to the point that when there's a needed option you don't want to take it, is gonna bite us in the ass.
 
That Elector Count is hilarious. I hope we get an opportunity to walk up to Magnus and have an animated talk with him sometime before we raise diplomacy or piety.
 
We'll see how things develop. Frederick's going to need concrete proof of why worshiping Sigmar or Ulric is a good thing before he actually starts doing so seriously.
 
The argument is more that in our present attitude, if we actually do the rote going to church stuff to try and raise Piety, we could very well lower it further.

We're not Jakob who got to his low piety by a lot of whoring and ambivalence. He MIGHT be motivated to give a bit more of a shit. However, he was also more open to Chaos, especially Slaanesh, for that reason.

We actually detest the gods for their suckage. Unless we acquired clear divine assistance, we'd not get better. At the same time we REALLY hate Chaos, so their usual routes won't work. We must put our trust in mundane flesh and steel. True men, with real weapons, not that unreliable magic and warp dickery.
 
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Hmm, I mean, I doubt even most people with higher piety than us are being saved by a God literally swooping down to say 'fuck no' to Chaos. At least, it seems that they probably have better things to do than constantly intervene to help anyone who has a Piety greater than 8, which is to say over half of the world.

So part of piety's protection has to be just "knowing the protective charms and knowing not to sleep with Slaanesh Worshippers and etc etc" combined with "Not wanting to do evil shit like that." Like, a lot of low piety people might be hedonists or not care one way or another about Chaos, which thus makes them vulnerable to corruption. Like Jakob, actually, at first.

Whereas we hate Chaos. So at least in theory I could see it almost being possible to use learning to sub in for Piety, or at least boost it for some very specific rolls. I mean, we do what's practical. It's not that we're pious, it's that we know that this random ritual or charm works, and that going off to fuck random women or going on a hate fueled rampage is stupid and does bad things.
 
Krain said:
Look, I can understand that, but wanting to be completely unique, to the point that when there's a needed option you don't want to take it, is gonna bite us in the ass.
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I don't think piety is the end all Chaos resistance stat. Getting a higher Intrigue is just as likely to protect us from evil plots. After all, even Archaon fell, and he was a really pious guy.
 
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