Omake - Fairy Tales - simon_jester
[Set during the Grey October crisis, during Week 4]

FAIRY TALES, Part 1

USS Enterprise-B
Themis Straits
Stardate 23552.5


"Tisana... what's the matter? Why are you crying?" Dill chim Clunn reached up and patted her roommate- Ensign Bessle to the duty roster, but 'Tizzy' to her- on the shoulder.

"Commodore T'Lorel... she's dead."

"What?" Had her roommate lost her mind? That wasn't true! "What did you hear, I don't-"

"Nn- no... not like that... not really, not like you'd mean 'dead.' " Tizzy interrupted herself with a string of sobs. "It's... oh..." With long, slender arms she cast about- Dill realized what was going on and handed her a tissue to dry her face.

"Tizzy, are you feeling okay? The commodore's fine, we're all safe." Well, not really safe, not out here in the night of nights with half a dozen Cardassian cruisers sailing around and more on the way. But Enterprise had caught up with Fifth Fleet after the run from Celesipos, and slotted into formation early this afternoon, shipboard time.

"S- s- safe? Safe?" And the Amarki unfolded sharply, bouncing up in her bed. "Oh, we're safe all right, flying into the Pit of Snakes..." Tizzy gritted her teeth, and was silent for a moment. "Sorry, that was a reference. Nothing against the Seyek."

"But... you said the commodore was dead?"

"I'm a Ghastar islander."

Dill blinked, then took a deep breath. "Um... I'm really sorry but I'm from another planet and I don't know why that explains why you think Commodore T'Lorel is dead when I was literally just copying down her orders twenty minutes ago please help me out here."

"We... when someone we care for loses their honor, really loses it... It hurts too much, to care about someone, and think of them as being alive with disgrace of the first order on their name, the flame in their hearts dead. So the first thing we do is hold mourning. After that, it's bearable. There may be someone walking around, saying they're the person who mattered to you, but it's... different. Because the real them, the them from before, is gone now, and that makes it something the soul can stand, somehow. That's how it was with m- my- my..." She folded her hands around her face and started sobbing again.

"So you think... oh. Oh."

"How could she do something like this? Order us out of the pursuit?"

"Maybe we'll get orders to go in a different direction anyway."

"That doesn't change what she did! She... she was one of the captain's companions, once. I've read all the things she did. How could she ever just... give up and run away? Does she think it's 'logical?' Do the Vulcans just not have their own version of Kanessi* or Jalawes?** Are they so bad at honor that they ignore it even when it makes sense?"

Awkwardly, given that the Amarki overtopped her by fifty centimeters, Dill reached over and wrapped her roommate in a hug. "It's okay, Tizzy. We're your friends. We can talk about this. Tybek will be off duty now, and I think Pete will be free too!"
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*Founding mother of the Amarki version of deontological ethics.
**Founding father of the most popular Amarki version of rule utilitarianism.



USS Enterprise-B
Junior Officers' Wardroom


Pete Woodruff, fresh off a shift coordinating impulse drive maintenance, sat down with a sigh. Tisana smiled wanly and sat down beside him, with Dill and Tybek across the table. Pete looked over at the tall blue woman and slid a hand over toward hers, folded on the table. "So what's wrong, Tizzy?"

"I'm not going to lie. I think we're disgracing ourselves by pulling back from home space at a time like this. We could still help with the search!"

Dill frowned. "From what I heard in Communications, the Kadak-Tor changed direction days ago. Sarek's chasing her up into Federation space, and we're days behind them where we are. Even at Warp Ten..."

"Then stress the engines! This isn't the ordinary course of operations, people, don't you see that? That ship is a terrible danger, we don't know what could happen. The Kadak-Tor could have a drive malfunction, she could double back to throw the Sarek off the trail, they could lose her in an ion storm... there are so many ways we might be able to help, how can she be telling us to throw it all away, just so we can be a little bit safer?" Tisana spat that last word like a curse.

Pete scratched his head. "Tizzy? Can you give me a second, I'd like to ask some questions. I don't think I understand."

"...If you need to."

"I've been down in Main Engineering while you three have been talking about the tactics and reading everyone's mail, so... the Cardassian lead force is, what, five cruisers and two escorts, to our two escorts, and, um... call it one and a half cruisers, three and a half explorers, plus..." He looked at her and made a lopsided grin. "One of those is us."

The Amarki smiled for the first time since Dill had gotten off her shift. Tybek tilted his head, raising an eyebrow. Pete continued. "So we could probably handle them, but we don't want to, everybody figures that's what the commodore is thinking."

Dill nodded. "Nobody needs a war."

"But here's what I don't understand. We're not interested in attacking their fleet. The only way war would break out is if they attack us. The Cardassians want everyone to leave the Themis straits. Would they really ambush and attack us if we just... did that?"

Tisana shot a grateful look at Peter, beside her. "YES! I knew you'd really think about this. Maybe we can't catch up now, and maybe we can... but we have to try. We have ample cause to do it, the Cardassians would be fools to oppose us, they've no reason to try-"

Dill shook her head. "We can't give them an excuse to shoot at us. The bastards are probably hoping for one."

Pete looked bewildered. "An excuse to shoot at us for doing what they told us to? Are you saying they're crazy, or that they already decided to attack us anyway and are just looking for a reason to pick a fight, even at bad odds? Dill, I don't even-"

Dill spread her hands. "The thing is, there's complying, and then there's complying. Let's say I unsuspectingly find myself in a gang's territory. They point their weapons at me and demand I leave their territory. I could turn around and leave. I could also continue ahead right through the gang and leave on the other side. One is complying. The other is complying."

Tybek spoke. "The situation is analogous. Logic dictates affording a potential antagonist no opportunity for an admittedly illogical attack."

Pete looked suspicious. "I don't know. It seems awfully thin as a reason not to take the chance, if we can catch up with the Sarek. I need to do some thinking..."

Tybek nodded in agreement. "Very well. But in all seriousness, Ms. Bessle, one asks what there is to be done in such a scenario. The only prudent course of action is to minimize the risk of escalating conflict."

"Escalating conflict. I don't want a conflict, but neither do I want disgrace! You ask me what would I do, if a gang of bravos decided to 'order me to leave?' Why, I would put on my best smile, like this-" and Tisana's flexible features took on a ghastly look, one that could almost be approximated as a real smile in bad lighting. "And I would put my hand on my hilt, like this." She rose, fingers brushing the handle of her dagger as she rose to her feet. "And I would say, 'very well, gentlemen, I shall be leaving the way I intended, as a peaceful traveler through this place.' And should they presume to bar my exit, then they would be left battered, and bloody, and the lesser in number than when they awoke that day, to reflect on the lesson that a lady of Amarkia with weapons to hand is neither a prey animal nor a plaything. That is what I would do."

Tybek frowned. "Bloodthirsty. And risky."

"No, not... Aaagh, don't any of you understand? I don't want to kill anyone! I don't want a war! But it's shameful to just run like this, from a force that couldn't beat us if it wanted to and hasn't got a reason to try! The Federation needs us! And risk? You want to talk about risk? Gods! There's an invisible ship of over a million tons headed coreward towards a blue jewel of a world none of you have even seen, and we're not even trying to do anything about it! How can anyone with a soul think that compared to that, us running over this- this speedbump of a cruiser squadron is a risk!?"

Tybek shook his head. "Ms. Bessle, the Cardassian lead wave is no speedbump. Those are ships of force, individually sizable and with technology not to be despised. They can, and have, put an end to more than one opponent who underestimated them. Their intimate knowledge of our location opens us to ambush at no less than twelve possible sites along the cylindrical region through which-"

"Then we keep our eyes open! Do you really think they think we're stupid enough to walk into a trap? What happened the last time they tried to trap an explorer with two of their ships? Do you think they're about to try potting four of ours with seven?"

"The danger cannot rationally be denied, Ms. Bessle, and giving them the opportunity to make the attempt has the potential to bring about disastrous war with the Cardassian Union. The corresponding reward is nebulous and unlikely to materialize. It is high unlikely that our ships would be of material assistance, added to so many others."

"Tizzy-" Pete spoke haltingly. Something had changed in his face. "We can't do it. I mean, sure, we can get back to Federation space. But not with the fleet, not in time, not starting from here, not with them having that head-start. And Cardassians play for keeps. If Commodore T'Lorel thinks we're stuck waiting for them to pass, she must have a good reason. She's not in a position to take gambles." He shook his head. "This thing isn't over, but I'm afraid it's over for us. We rolled the dice, we got unlucky... we'll just have to learn a few lessons, and hope it works out in the end."

Tisana picked up her mug from the table. Her eyes were closed, and a shudder wracked her body as she stifled a sob. One of hundreds from Enterprise's crockery set, filled in her case with bubbling, faintly steaming fayalin tea. She tapped the ship's crest, enameled on the side. "Peter. You told me once, about what the name means to you. About being the best there is to offer. About why the Federation even bothers to have an Explorer Corps in the first place."

"Yeah, Tizzy, that's why we're out-"

"Yeah, Tizzy? Don't you dare call me that again. It was a lie, wasn't it? If you can say what- what you just said- everything you told me was a lie." The tears were starting to flow again. "'Enterprise' is really just another word to you after all, isn't it? All this ship's been and done isn't even a story to you, let alone a reality." She sidled the better part of a meter away from Peter's chair. "And to think I ever imagined the men of Earth might hold a glimmer of the flame in their hearts." Tisana let out a snort of harsh laughter. "I'm really starting to understand what it means, to be alone among aliens..." A shock rippled across her face, realization in her eyes. "Ah. Ah. Yes I understand now... now that I think about it." The Amarki's eyes narrowed with anger.

"Tybek, isn't it interesting what happened as soon as the Cardassian stealth cruiser, with her payload of torpedoes, changed course away from the core Federation worlds, away from Sol and Andor and Vulcan, and started heading for Amarkia? Our commander, T'Lorel, decides that it is no longer urgent to chase her. That logically, it's no longer worth taking a small risk of being hypothetically ambushed by a smaller force. We see that on the one hand, my world is the one most threatened now, and that on the other, the pursuit no longer seems so important. Doesn't that seem curious, that those two changes would be take place at the same time? Because I think that is a fascinating correlation, Vulcan."

Once, Dill had chosen to bait the rule-stickling tactical ensign with a sign, positioned so he'd see it upon exiting his cabin, reading "Ignore This Sign- Direct Order!" Tybek had stood there, quietly, for a full minute, pondering that sign before he slowly turned and went away. His reaction to Tisana's snarled accusations was of the same order. It was as if he were contemplating a square circle, or a burning ice cube. The dark-skinned Vulcan was silent, controlled but... logic-bombed. The idea didn't even compute in his brain.

Tybek was good at what he did, but weird, even by Vulcan standards.

Dill waved her arms wildly, bouncing up in her chair in an attempt to get into the Amarki's line of sight. "Whoa whoa whoa! Tisana, there are about three entire fleets in Federation space between here and Amarkia sector... Don't worry. I mean... you know how many ships there still are back there, in position to look for the Kadak-Tor. Let's see..." she started counting.

"Yes, Dill." Tisana bit each word off crisply. "I know precisely how many ships there are ready to find the Kadak-Tor before she reaches Amarkia. Or changes course to Tellar Prime. Or Earth. Or even Vulcan, if there's anything left on that ball of monks and rocks worth a torpedo. I know how many ships there are. There are seven less than there ought to be, and none of them is Enterprise. And if that doesn't bother any of you, then goodnight and be damned to you!"

Quivering with fury, vision watery and blurred, the sensor operator pivoted on her heel, long legs propelling her out of the room so fast she almost scraped the automatic doors as they opened to let her out of the wardroom.
 
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That reminds me. Any thoughts on if we are going to have to have a summit or something to get the neutral zone extended corewards?
Especially as the Gaeni start to come more into the Federation.

We should probably bring it up soon. Just "Hey, since things are a little uncertain lately, can we talk about border access? (Also we are totes willing to extend the line corewards)"

Have to approach the issue slowly so you don't make them feel boxed in, but so that they feel like they are extending their control. That the Federation still respects the Romulan desire of "NO TOUCHING" even beyond the old treaty terms. Probably the best way to keep them from getting squirrelly.
 
Remember, we're still talking about the Federation of 50 years from now. That's more than enough time to go through a major shock and buildup in the 2310's, some fighting with the Cardassians and other minor powers, the peace settlements, and then complacency and demilitarization setting in. The Federation is going to change over the next fifty years, at least partially due to our actions, and we can't say for certain our current efforts won't be altered or even reversed in a few decades as circumstances change.
 
[Set during the Grey October crisis, during Week 4]

FAIRY TALES, Part 1

USS Enterprise-B
Themis Straits
Stardate 23552.5


"Tisana... what's the matter? Why are you crying?" Dill chim Clunn reached up and patted her roommate- Ensign Bessle to the duty roster, but 'Tizzy' to her- on the shoulder.

"Commodore T'Lorel... she's dead."

"What?" Had her roommate lost her mind? That wasn't true! "What did you hear, I don't-"

"Nn- no... not like that... not really, not like you'd mean 'dead.' " Tizzy interrupted herself with a string of sobs. "It's... oh..." With long, slender arms she cast about- Dill realized what was going on and handed her a tissue to dry her face.

"Tizzy, are you feeling okay? The commodore's fine, we're all safe." Well, not really safe, not out here in the night of nights with half a dozen Cardassian cruisers sailing around and more on the way. But Enterprise had caught up with Fifth Fleet after the run from Celesipos, and slotted into formation early this afternoon, shipboard time.

"S- s- safe? Safe?" And the Amarki unfolded sharply, bouncing up in her bed. "Oh, we're safe all right, flying into the Pit of Snakes..." Tizzy gritted her teeth, and was silent for a moment. "Sorry, that was a reference. Nothing against the Seyek."

"But... you said the commodore was dead?"

"I'm a Ghastar islander."

Dill blinked, then took a deep breath. "Um... I'm really sorry but I'm from another planet and I don't know why that explains why you think Commodore T'Lorel is dead when I was literally just copying down her orders twenty minutes ago please help me out here."

"We... when someone we care for loses their honor, really loses it... It hurts too much, to care about someone, and think of them as being alive with disgrace of the first order on their name, the flame in their hearts dead. So the first thing we do is hold mourning. After that, it's bearable. There may be someone walking around, saying they're the person who mattered to you, but it's... different. Because the real them, the them from before, is gone now, and that makes it something the soul can stand, somehow. That's how it was with m- my- my..." She folded her hands around her face and started sobbing again.

"So you think... oh. Oh."

"How could she do something like this? Order us out of the pursuit?"

"Maybe we'll get orders to go in a different direction anyway."

"That doesn't change what she did! She... she was one of the captain's companions, once. I've read all the things she did. How could she ever just... give up and run away? Does she think it's 'logical?' Do the Vulcans just not have their own version of Kanessi* or Jalawes?** Are they so bad at honor that they ignore it even when it makes sense?"

Awkwardly, given that the Amarki overtopped her by fifty centimeters, Dill reached over and wrapped her roommate in a hug. "It's okay, Tizzy. We're your friends. We can talk about this. Tybek will be off duty now, and I think Pete will be free too!"
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*Founding mother of the Amarki version of deontological ethics.
**Founding father of the most popular Amarki version of rule utilitarianism.



USS Enterprise-B
Junior Officers' Wardroom


Pete Woodruff, fresh off a shift coordinating impulse drive maintenance, sat down with a sigh. Tisana smiled wanly and sat down beside him, with Dill and Tybok across the table. Pete looked over at the tall blue woman and slid a hand over toward hers, folded on the table. "So what's wrong, Tizzy?"

"I'm not going to lie. I think we're disgracing ourselves by pulling back from home space at a time like this. We could still help with the search!"

Dill frowned. "From what I heard in Communications, the Kadak-Tor changed direction days ago. Sarek's chasing her up into Federation space, and we're days behind them where we are. Even at Warp Ten..."

"Then stress the engines! This isn't the ordinary course of operations, people, don't you see that? That ship is a terrible danger, we don't know what could happen. The Kadak-Tor could have a drive malfunction, she could double back to throw the Sarek off the trail, they could lose her in an ion storm... there are so many ways we might be able to help, how can she be telling us to throw it all away, just so we can be a little bit safer?" Tisana spat that last word like a curse.

Pete scratched his head. "Tizzy? Can you give me a second, I'd like to ask some questions. I don't think I understand."

"...If you need to."

"I've been down in Main Engineering while you three have been talking about the tactics and reading everyone's mail, so... the Cardassian lead force is, what, five cruisers and two escorts, to our two escorts, and, um... call it one and a half cruisers, three and a half explorers, plus..." He looked at her and made a lopsided grin. "One of those is us."

The Amarki smiled for the first time since Dill had gotten off her shift. Tybek tilted his head, raising an eyebrow. Pete continued. "So we could probably handle them, but we don't want to, everybody figures that's what the commodore is thinking."

Dill nodded. "Nobody needs a war."

"But here's what I don't understand. We're not interested in attacking their fleet. The only way war would break out is if they attack us. The Cardassians want everyone to leave the Themis straits. Would they really ambush and attack us if we just... did that?"

Tisana shot a grateful look at Peter, beside her. "YES! I knew you'd really think about this. Maybe we can't catch up now, and maybe we can... but we have to try. We have ample cause to do it, the Cardassians would be fools to oppose us, they've no reason to try-"

Dill shook her head. "We can't give them an excuse to shoot at us. The bastards are probably hoping for one."

Pete looked bewildered. "An excuse to shoot at us for doing what they told us to? Are you saying they're crazy, or that they already decided to attack us anyway and are just looking for a reason to pick a fight, even at bad odds? Dill, I don't even-"

Dill spread her hands. "The thing is, there's complying, and then there's complying. Let's say I unsuspectingly find myself in a gang's territory. They point their weapons at me and demand I leave their territory. I could turn around and leave. I could also continue ahead right through the gang and leave on the other side. One is complying. The other is complying."

Tybek spoke. "The situation is analogous. Logic dictates affording a potential antagonist no opportunity for an admittedly illogical attack."

Pete looked suspicious. "I don't know. It seems awfully thin as a reason not to take the chance, if we can catch up with the Sarek. I need to do some thinking..."

Tybek nodded in agreement. "Very well. But in all seriousness, Ms. Bessle, one asks what there is to be done in such a scenario. The only prudent course of action is to minimize the risk of escalating conflict."

"Escalating conflict. I don't want a conflict, but neither do I want disgrace! You ask me what would I do, if a gang of bravos decided to 'order me to leave?' Why, I would put on my best smile, like this-" and Tisana's flexible features took on a ghastly look, one that could almost be approximated as a real smile in bad lighting. "And I would put my hand on my hilt, like this." She rose, fingers brushing the handle of her dagger as she rose to her feet. "And I would say, 'very well, gentlemen, I shall be leaving the way I intended, as a peaceful traveler through this place.' And should they presume to bar my exit, then they would be left battered, and bloody, and the lesser in number than when they awoke that day, to reflect on the lesson that a lady of Amarkia with weapons to hand is neither a prey animal nor a plaything. That is what I would do."

Tybek frowned. "Bloodthirsty. And risky."

"No, not... Aaagh, don't any of you understand? I don't want to kill anyone! I don't want a war! But it's shameful to just run like this, from a force that couldn't beat us if it wanted to and hasn't got a reason to try! The Federation needs us! And risk? You want to talk about risk? Gods! There's an invisible ship of over a million tons headed coreward towards a blue jewel of a world none of you have even seen, and we're not even trying to do anything about it! How can anyone with a soul think that compared to that, us running over this- this speedbump of a cruiser squadron is a risk!?"

Tybek shook his head. "Ms. Bessle, the Cardassian lead wave is no speedbump. Those are ships of force, individually sizable and with technology not to be despised. They can, and have, put an end to more than one opponent who underestimated them. Their intimate knowledge of our location opens us to ambush at no less than twelve possible sites along the cylindrical region through which-"

"Then we keep our eyes open! Do you really think they think we're stupid enough to walk into a trap? What happened the last time they tried to trap an explorer with two of their ships? Do you think they're about to try potting four of ours with seven?"

"The danger cannot rationally be denied, Ms. Bessle, and giving them the opportunity to make the attempt has the potential to bring about disastrous war with the Cardassian Union. The corresponding reward is nebulous and unlikely to materialize. It is high unlikely that our ships would be of material assistance, added to so many others."

"Tizzy-" Pete spoke haltingly. Something had changed in his face. "We can't do it. I mean, sure, we can get back to Federation space. But not with the fleet, not in time, not starting from here, not with them having that head-start. And Cardassians play for keeps. If Commodore T'Lorel thinks we're stuck waiting for them to pass, she must have a good reason. She's not in a position to take gambles." He shook his head. "This thing isn't over, but I'm afraid it's over for us. We rolled the dice, we got unlucky... we'll just have to learn a few lessons, and hope it works out in the end."

Tisana picked up her mug from the table. Her eyes were closed, and a shudder wracked her body as she stifled a sob. One of hundreds from Enterprise's crockery set, filled in her case with bubbling, faintly steaming fayalin tea. She tapped the ship's crest, enameled on the side. "Peter. You told me once, about what the name means to you. About being the best there is to offer. About why the Federation even bothers to have an Explorer Corps in the first place."

"Yeah, Tizzy, that's why we're out-"

"Yeah, Tizzy? Don't you dare call me that again. It was a lie, wasn't it? If you can say what- what you just said- everything you told me was a lie." The tears were starting to flow again. "'Enterprise' is really just another word to you after all, isn't it? All this ship's been and done isn't even a story to you, let alone a reality." She sidled the better part of a meter away from Peter's chair. "And to think I ever imagined the men of Earth might hold a glimmer of the flame in their hearts." Tisana let out a snort of harsh laughter. "I'm really starting to understand what it means, to be alone among aliens..." A shock rippled across her face, realization in her eyes. "Ah. Ah. Yes I understand now... now that I think about it." The Amarki's eyes narrowed with anger.

"Tybek, isn't it interesting what happened as soon as the Cardassian stealth cruiser, with her payload of torpedoes, changed course away from the core Federation worlds, away from Sol and Andor and Vulcan, and started heading for Amarkia? Our commander, T'Lorel, decides that it is no longer urgent to chase her. That logically, it's no longer worth taking a small risk of being hypothetically ambushed by a smaller force. We see that on the one hand, my world is the one most threatened now, and that on the other, the pursuit no longer seems so important. Doesn't that seem curious, that those two changes would be take place at the same time? Because I think that is a fascinating correlation, Vulcan."

Once, Dill had chosen to bait the rule-stickling tactical ensign with a sign, positioned so he'd see it upon exiting his cabin, reading "Ignore This Sign- Direct Order!" Tybek had stood there, quietly, for a full minute, pondering that sign before he slowly turned and went away. His reaction to Tisana's snarled accusations was of the same order. It was as if he were contemplating a square circle, or a burning ice cube. The dark-skinned Vulcan was silent, controlled but... logic-bombed. The idea didn't even compute in his brain.

Tybek was good at what he did, but weird, even by Vulcan standards.

Dill waved her arms wildly, bouncing up in her chair in an attempt to get into the Amarki's line of sight. "Whoa whoa whoa! Tisana, there are about three entire fleets in Federation space between here and Amarkia sector... Don't worry. I mean... you know how many ships there still are back there, in position to look for the Kadak-Tor. Let's see..." she started counting.

"Yes, Dill." Tisana bit each word off crisply. "I know precisely how many ships there are ready to find the Kadak-Tor before she reaches Amarkia. Or changes course to Tellar Prime. Or Earth. Or even Vulcan, if there's anything left on that ball of monks and rocks worth a torpedo. I know how many ships there are. There are seven less than there ought to be, and none of them is Enterprise. And if that doesn't bother any of you, then goodnight and be damned to you!"

Quivering with fury, vision watery and blurred, the sensor operator pivoted on her heel, long legs propelling her out of the room so fast she almost scraped the automatic doors as they opened to let her out of the wardroom.

Love the omake but dislike tizzy, though since she is an ensign it is easier to take as they don't see the big picture nor do they need to yet. still one of the things that would stop one from advancing
 
Updated vote tally, merging name variants and manually merging in Gingganz's and Simon_Jester's intel report plans. Pretty clear winners.

Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 647 | Sufficient Velocity
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Task: BUDGET

[X][BUDGET] Rihra Thaar of Klivvar Proxima-D (Her party will choose 50pp of actions for you next Snakepit)
No. of Votes: 28

[X][BUDGET] T'Torah of 82 Eridani-P (Starfleet's Science Target changes to 250 by 2321 -or- the next Explorer design has Science+Presence at least 17)
No. of Votes: 20



Task: REPORT

[X][REPORT] Cardassian Diplomatic Posture Report
No. of Votes: 32

[X][REPORT] Sydraxian Fleet Strength Report
No. of Votes: 31

[X][REPORT] Sydraxian Diplomatic Posture Report
No. of Votes: 25

[X][REPORT] Write-in: Reasons for war with Klingons from the perspective of the Romulans
No. of Votes: 23

[X][REPORT] Write-in: Reasons for war with Romulans from the perspective of the Klingons
No. of Votes: 23

[X][REPORT] Write-in: Cardassian view of the Federation and prospect of long term peace
No. of Votes: 22

[X][REPORT] Romulan Fleet Strength Report
No. of Votes: 6

[X][REPORT] Cardassian Shipyard Report
No. of Votes: 4

[X][REPORT] Causes of Klingon/Romulan conflict
No. of Votes: 4

[X][REPORT] Klingon Fleet Strength Report
No. of Votes: 4

[X][REPORT] Write-in: Cardassian dealings with the Orion Syndicate
No. of Votes: 4

[X][REPORT] Write-in: Analysis of Sydraxian internal broadcasts regarding what their ultimate war goals are for conflict with the Federation.
No. of Votes: 4

[X][REPORT] Romulan Diplomatic Posture Report
No. of Votes: 3

[X][REPORT] Sydraxian Motives
No. of Votes: 3

[X][REPORT] How much impact do we need, in order to cause decisive, lasting damage to the Orion Syndicate?
No. of Votes: 2

[X][REPORT] Write-in: Cardassian dealings with the Orion Syndicate
No. of Votes: 2

Total No. of Voters: 49

by creating a delay between publishing the choices and allowing the vote which maybe counters the jump unto the first halfway okay plan but doesn't do much beyond that

I prefer this solution, since it's used to IMO good effect in the Ignition quest, but it requires extra attention from the QM and manually ensuring that votes before the delay deadline are explicitly excluded.

Even general advise like keeping the number of questions and possible choices to a relatively small number (something Oneiros actually does a good job of where possible though I personally dislike the prevalence of write-in's) doesn't really apply to the existing system since it would would most likely result in a loss of control that many here seem to really like.

So in my opinion the "bandwaggoning" is the unfortunate side effect of wishing for complicated plans and detailed, precise control since there is no other way to handle that.

I agree, but I do think the voting could have been done better. You can limit the apparent complexity of votes by partitioning them into different tasks to a certain extent (like no more than 5 tasks per vote). It's been suggested before and I still advocate for it:

Split the intel report votes into task buckets, where for each report type that has a minimum (Cardassians, Romulans), there is a separate task bucket, and then a general task bucket for the rest (which can still include Cardassian and Romulan votes), and reports are voted by top-level line item. Tallying works by looking at the specific task buckets, taking top X from them and removing any duplicates of those X line items in the general task bucket, then take top Z of general task bucket. Voters then get to clearly prioritize which top 2 Cardassian and and top 1 Romulan reports they want, and still have the option of suggesting more for the general task bucket, of which top 3 are taken. In fact, voters can vote for however many reports they want in the general task bucket even duplicating reports for the Cardassian and Romulan buckets, since all that matters is the top 3 reports there.

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I prefer this solution, since it's used to IMO good effect in the Ignition quest, but its requires extra attention from QM and manually ensuring that votes before the delay deadline are explicitly excluded.

Eh, I find that one of the less useful options. Sure you get some discussion before the voting but that doesn't necessarily mean that you prevent bandwaggoning - most low-intensity player's (like for example me) will still have a tendency to vote for the first suitable plan since it is still the easiest (and least time consuming option) option while at best skipping over the discussion.

Plus it would really slowdown the quest - normally an extra day or so doesn't mean much considering the update rate of most quests but here it would have a noticeable and negative effect.
 
Incidentally, I already had "Part Two" of Fairy Tales written before posting "Part One," and will be putting it up immediately after this post.

I'm getting the distinct feeling you're bitterly channeling Tisana here :V
A swing, and a miss! If you're going to play the "which character is an author insert" game, you need a bit more subtlety in your Internet psychoanalysis. :p

I don't have an honor-culture reluctance to run away from the hypothetical prospect of a fight. I don't consider Commodore T'Lorel "dead to me." And I never accused anyone of ceasing to care about letting a stealth cruiser through to nuke Amarkia as soon as they thought it was Amarkia the ship was headed for.

Now, I will admit that when I started writing this several days ago, one thing I was doing was channeling my emotional vibes from the argument. Which I'd found baffling and frustrating in the extreme- as I have reason to think you did, too. ;)

Love the omake but dislike tizzy, though since she is an ensign it is easier to take as they don't see the big picture nor do they need to yet. still one of the things that would stop one from advancing
Well, as of the end of the argument she's about one hiccup away from resigning her commission, so she'd probably laugh and ask you if you were really thinking of promotion prospects at a time like this.

This is what I will say, in Tisana's defense:

It strikes me that the attitude that leads to Tisana thinking Fifth Fleet should stress their drives to the limit and try to help catch the Kadak-Tor is not that different from the attitude that led the Amarki to loan us their flagship during the biophage crisis. I mean, they COULD have hesitated. They could have asked us why we hadn't committed all of OUR ships (including member world vessels) before asking a bunch of affiliated aliens for help. But they didn't. Because they believed it was worth taking on disproportionate risk to their greatest and most valuable fleet asset, in order to slightly reduce the chance of an existential threat to their homeworld emerging at a later time.

Maybe their one ship would make the difference, and maybe it wouldn't, but they were willing to potentially sacrifice Riala, and did wind up sacrificing most of her crew, rather than hold back in a time of emergency.

That philosophy, one of all-in commitment and willingness to accept risks as the cost of existence, is a self-consistent one. It may or may not pay off in the long run. But dismissing it as "you don't see the big picture" is a pretty big leap in the direction of the Condescension Nebula.

...

I have to ask, do you draw a distinction between disliking people and thinking they are factually incorrect to hold their views? Tisana's opinions on the issue range somewhere between "questionable under Federation philosophy" and "flat wrong." But is it blameworthy for her to believe most it, given that she is an Amarki, in that specific situation, with good reason to believe her homeworld is heavily threatened, while the rest of her friends are going "meh, not worth an X% likelihood of Cardassians randomly attacking us for no obvious reason."

Heck, she's never even seen The Hunt for Red October like we have!

By the way, in terms of canon characters, how do you feel about Worf? I imagine a younger, less repressed version of Worf might have had a lot of the same issues. Insofar as he didn't, it was probably because he was grimly repressing his feelings all the time throughout his service in Starfleet. Because, well, he was surrounded by people a lot more willing to shy away from a fight than he was.

Tisana's willing to open up and be honest about this. About her belief that the verb "boldly" in "to boldly go where no one has gone before" is really, really important. And that she thinks people who are afraid to take chances for the stars, are less than fully deserving of their wonders.

At least, she's willing to be open about that for now. Should she not be? Would the Federation be enriched, to not have her mindset in it?
 
Omake - Fairy Tales Pt2 - Simon_Jester
Previously on 'Fairy Tales' said:
"Yes, Dill." Tisana bit each word off crisply. "I know precisely how many ships there are ready to find the Kadak-Tor before she reaches Amarkia. Or changes course to Tellar Prime. Or Earth. Or even Vulcan, if there's anything left on that ball of monks and rocks worth a torpedo. I know how many ships there are. There are seven less than there ought to be, and none of them is Enterprise. And if that doesn't bother any of you, then goodnight and be damned to you!"

Quivering with fury, vision watery and blurred, the sensor operator pivoted on her heel, long legs propelling her out of the room so fast she almost scraped the automatic doors as they opened to let her out of the wardroom.

FAIRY TALES, Part 2

USS Enterprise-B
Junior Officers' Wardroom
Stardate 23552.5


Tybek closed his eyes briefly. "Amarki are... illogical beyond the common run of sentients."

Pete looked at Dill. His face was pale. "Do you think we- you should go after her?"

The Tellarite snorted and tapped her knee. "Do you think I could catch her? Who knows where she ran off to? She doesn't go back to her quarters when she's that upset. I wish we had a therapist on board, I really wish we did... And don't worry, she didn't mean what she said to you-"

The human waved a hand. "No, she did. She meant it. Hell. Hell." He slumped. Tybek looked on, puzzled.

Dill managed a smile. "We'll give her some time to calm down, and she'll be back to normal sooner or later. She's reasonable. Well, okay, she's not unreasonable."

"I don't think she's going to shrug this one off. This whole garbage-pile of a situation is going to hit her, hard, and it's not just because she's worried about her planet- all of us are. It's because... something about Amarki."

The Vulcan cocked an eyebrow. "Precisely what do you mean, Mr. Woodruff?"

Pete looked at Tybek. "You called Tiz- Tisana," he gulped, "You called her bloodthirsty."

"Correct me if I am mistaken, but she displayed remarkable vigor in her description of the outcome of a notional combat. One which I infer she did not necessarily envision surviving."

"People assume the Amarki are just ferocious and, um. Okay, maybe that's kind of true. But they don't kill each other as often as you'd expect, if they were just mad for blood. Tizzy, she... really wasn't lying when she said she doesn't want to kill anybody. Maybe you don't believe that after what she said about the gang, but it's true. The way they act, it's not just liking violence. " Pete stared at his coffee. "It's because... fairy tales."

Dill paused for a moment, trying to remember the English-language reference, then got it. Or would have got it, except Tybek started volunteering information. "You mean, works of fiction intended-"

Peter wasn't in a mood to stand for it. "Yeah. Those. What would you call them on Vulcan?"

"...Vulcans do not have a word for 'fairy tales,' Mr. Woodruff."

Pete sighed. "I'm not surprised, Mr. Tybek. Anyway. The Amarki have a lot of stories that we- I, anyway, would call fairy tales. Handsome prince rescues beautiful princess, other way around, wizards, fighting, monsters, daring escapes, true love, miracles..." he trailed off, lost in memory.

Dill's jaw worked. "Yeah. Tisana tells stories a lot, now that you mention it. Where are you going with this?"

"I think the biggest reason Amarki fight so much is... they tell each other so many stories, and they believe them, you see. Not that they think the world is shaped like that always, or even some of the time... but they believe it's supposed to be. And they'll always, always fight, to put the world in the shape they think it belongs. To see the happy ending. When anyone else would give up on it."

"I stand by my earlier assessment," Tybek frowned slightly.

"So do I- I just don't care. If the Amarki were logical, they'd never have made it out here at all. They care too much about things, you see. Little things and big things both. It's all... personal. If they were logical, but they still cared the way they do... They'd either have all beaten each other to death, or they'd be too saintly to invent the assembly line. Or both, even. Logic didn't get them where they are, and they know it. What took them to the stars was that they wanted their stories to end happily ever after. And that's what they stand by. And... I think... I think Tizzy just stopped believing in fairy tales."



Stardate 23558.4

"Ms. Bessle, I would ask your specialist assistance with a tactical task."

"...What." The Amarki's voice was flat, her ears drooping slightly. She looked blankly at Tybek, turning away from the diagnostic console.

"I am evaluating certain regions of space for ambush locations. I require model-generated images as baselines for comparison, so as to more readily spot anomalies in the event that they should present themselves as we approach."

"Ambush. What do you want to know about your precious ambushes now? We're back home and safe." Tisana hissed.

"The prospect of ambush by Syndicate vessels, or hypothetically by Cardassians using other means to penetrate our borders such sensor signature cancellation or reverse-engineered cloaks of lesser sophistication, is non-negligible. This is of particular concern because we have been ordered to proceed at maximum emergency warp to rendezvous with the USS Sarek. According to my calculations, this will entail a journey of not less than twenty-five light-years. Most likely more, if the captain abstains from traveling at illogical and reckless speeds. Which is, granted, doubtful."

Tisana was pretty sure the muscles in Tybek's face responsible for smiling had atrophied away to nothing. But she could swear the ghost of a smile flickered across the Vulcan's face.

"After the shame of this past week, the shame of it, to toy with me like- no. Wait. You're not lying. You're really... not lying. You... you really don't do that. You can be as cruel and heedless as a rock-cat with an empty belly, but you don't joke, you don't trifle, and you don't lie, do you?" There was almost nothing of a question in the elfin sensor officer's words, and a hint of dazed wonder.

Tybek actually, to his credit, stood there and thought about it before answering. Answering Tisana's exact question, precisely. "Ms. Bessle, to the best of my recollection, I have never lied in my life, save as an example for refutation- outside of predefined roles in training scenarios."

The Amarki clenched her jaw, closed her eyes, swallowing a mouthful of hatred and clearing her locked throat. Her voice finally made its way out, enough of the week-old lump of congealed anger cleared that she could bear to speak, with a singsong lilt as her voice was forced, falling into the cadences and reflexive grammar of Ghastarese even as she spoke the Earthers' English.

"Then, comrade, I will load me up your course plot, and weave me up the imagery you need, and you shall have it."

Stardate 23562.1

She'd been working after hours, off hours, up the hours and down the hours, hardly noticing the passage of the time, sleeping barely half what an Amarki ought to. And yet, she slept the sleep of the saved and thankful, and dreamt of a figure from legend, a singing, shining-eyed goddess in steel, who flew on wings of enlightenment. Whether the sleep should have been enough or not, Tisana bounced back up nearly as fresh as a meadow-flower each morning.

Her course amendments became a regular occurrence, on the days of the long speed run to Hophos.

"Captain on the bridge!"

The captain nodded to Zhang, who rose from the command chair, smiling. "Captain ka'Sharren, you have the bridge."

"I have the bridge." Nash ka'Sharren took her seat, settling into it comfortably, then called across to one of the secondary sensor consoles. "Ensign Bessle, I take it you have the tweaks of the day for us?"

Smiling proudly, Tisana nodded. "Yes, ma'am! I think we can shave fifteen minutes off our time, or save the main deflector a few hundred hours of life expectancy. Which would you like today?"

"Give me both courses this time. I'll check the details and pass one to Navigation."

"Yes, Ma'am!"

"Ensign."

Tisana spun around. The captain's antennae had twitched over to point at her, and ka'Sharren's eyes were narrow. "Yes, ma'am?"

"Where did you learn that tune I heard you humming when I walked in? It sounded... familiar."

"I, ah... don't know, ma'am. It just came to me."

Captain ka'Sharren smiled oddly. "Well, keep it up. It's pretty."
 
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Eh, I find that one of the less useful options. Sure you get some discussion before the voting but that doesn't necessarily mean that you prevent bandwaggoning - most low-intensity player's (like for example me) will still have a tendency to vote for the first suitable plan since it is still the easiest (and least time consuming option) option while at best skipping over the discussion.

Plus it would really slowdown the quest - normally an extra day or so doesn't mean much considering the update rate of most quests but here it would have a noticeable and negative effect.

For a rapidly updating quest like this with a very active voter base, I'd imagine a delay of at most 3 hours.

It's also most useful when write-ins typically make a significant portion of the vote plan (again, Ignition serves as the perfect example here with its huge vote plan monstrosities). Probably not as applicable to TBG.

Now, I will admit that when I started writing this several days ago, one thing I was doing was channeling my emotional vibes from the argument. Which I'd found baffling and frustrating in the extreme- as I have reason to think you did, too. ;)

You did a good job capturing all the complaints going on then.

Personally though, I was mostly confused at the narrative surrounding T'Lorel. Especially when the Enterprise actually only ended up being behind by less than a week anyway with that quicker-than-expected U-turn.

In the end, once T'Lorel's rationale was explained, I agreed with it. Maybe 5-10 years down the line, I would've preferred playing chicken with the Cardassians, but the Federation is really not ready for war at the moment.
 
My real goal here is to explore how it feels to face these decisions, when they aren't just numbers to you, and when you really think someone's planet, maybe your own, will suffer terribly as the price for failure.

It also ties into what we were talking about some hours ago, about the Amarki having a different viewpoint that hopefully inoculates us against the "peace at any price" mentality of early-season TNG. They do have a different viewpoint, and it's not something simplistic and cartoonish like "WAR IS AWESOME, YO!" An Amarki admiral really might make different decisions than a Vulcan admiral in the same situation, due to the cultural differences between the two planets. An Amarki ensign might really feel a lot better about herself and her job because she's sailing into potential danger, rather than away from it.

People are different, and they don't all do the 'obviously right' thing from each other's point of view.

I like it that way.
 
Can someone actually post some examples of "peace at any price" TNG early season decisions they disagree with? Because it's in danger of becoming a thread myth; something everyone says but that isn't actually backed up by any specifics.
Oh that's easy: the treaty the Federation signed with the Cardassians that led to the formation of the Maquis.

SFDebris laid it out pretty well in his review of the the 2-parter from DS9 with the same name.
 
That song is cheating. And I say that as someone with a character named after a filk.
:)

@nocarename, the chorus of that song perfectly tied into my comments about the Amarki and fairy tales. I've been listening to it happily on a regular basis for over six years now. I could no more refrain from referencing it, than I could refrain from gravity.

[It has just now occurred to me that the same mindset we see Tisana showing today, is one that would cause her to feel utterly, utterly privileged to participate in the Enterprise-C's death-ride at Narendra III. Scared as hell, but privileged.]
 
Oh that's easy: the treaty the Federation signed with the Cardassians that led to the formation of the Maquis.

SFDebris laid it out pretty well in his review of the the 2-parter from DS9 with the same name.

That seems like a pretty poor example since it involves a lot of things we're only told about second-hand and we have no idea of the full circumstances that let to the agreement. It's also weird to attribute it to "too much pacifism" rather than "fuck people on a few isolated border colony planets; the vast majority of the Federation population just doesn't care that much about them".

Complaints about "early season TNG" seem like they should be able to point to characters actually making on-screen decisions that are overly pacifistic.
 
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@nocarename, the chorus of that song perfectly tied into my comments about the Amarki and fairy tales. I've been listening to it happily on a regular basis for over six years now. I could no more refrain from referencing it, than I could refrain from gravity.

[It has just now occurred to me that the same mindset we see Tisana showing today, is one that would cause her to feel utterly, utterly privileged to participate in the Enterprise-C's death-ride at Narendra III. Scared as hell, but privileged.]

Even hearing Rumours of Maryam Ajam's return must have made her believe in miracles and magic all over again.
 
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@nocarename, the chorus of that song perfectly tied into my comments about the Amarki and fairy tales. I've been listening to it happily on a regular basis for over six years now. I could no more refrain from referencing it, than I could refrain from gravity.

[It has just now occurred to me that the same mindset we see Tisana showing today, is one that would cause her to feel utterly, utterly privileged to participate in the Enterprise-C's death-ride at Narendra III. Scared as hell, but privileged.]
The Amarki, let's call it determination, is a great and terrible thing.
When it shows up in other races, and the bearer has a hint of ability, we learn their names by their deeds.
Surak had it.
Kahless as well.
Khan, perhaps too.
That ability to take what is, and what should be and to take the universe from one to the other.
Even hearing Rumours of Maryam Ajam's return must have made her believe in miracles and magic all over again.
Think also to what it looks like from outside the Federation!
"It's very well and good to say that the age of miracles has passed, but has anyone thought to tell the Federation this?"
"-Sir, I-"
"Because it keeps happening!"
 
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Even hearing Rumours of Maryam Ajam's return must have made her believe in miracles and magic all over again.
True, although I should caution that she never actually met Ajam. She and her friends are from the Academy class of 2309, and were still in the Academy when Courageous had her run-in with that mine.

Tisana's really critical turning point, well, happens on-screen here. She doesn't actually expect miracles, she's not stupid, but she does expect people to behave as if their actions mattered and a happy ending was possible.* The Enterprise-B chasing after Sarek at Warp Eleven point Something meets that expectation, even if they hadn't ever managed to catch up.

*(For Amarki values of 'happy')
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EDIT: Since I plotted this before the votes for weeks five and six of the crisis went in, I actually figured out what would have happened if that order hadn't been given. Tisana would have first, tearfully, filed a transfer request to Sarek, "the one true ship in the fleet." Had that not worked out, she would have, less tearfully, resigned her commission and gone off to do something else, somewhere else.
 
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Complaints about "early season TNG" seem like they should be able to point to characters actually making on-screen decisions that are overly pacifistic.
How about the season two episode Peak Performance, also covered by SFDebris if you're interested, where Riker says this:
Riker: "...I think it's a waste of effort to test our combat skills. It's a minor province in the makeup of a starship captain."
Over the course of the entire episode everyone of the crew treats the whole exercise (ship-to-ship combat skills test) as a waste of time. Not due to confidence in their skills but due to them sharing the sentiment Riker expressed in the quote above.
 
That seems like a pretty poor example since it involves a lot of things we're only told about second-hand and we have no idea of the full circumstances that let to the agreement. It's also weird to attribute it to "too much pacifism" rather than "fuck people on a few isolated border colony planets; the vast majority of the Federation population just doesn't care that much about them".

Complaints about "early season TNG" seem like they should be able to point to characters actually making on-screen decisions that are overly pacifistic.
Since most episodes of TNG (as is usually the case with Star Trek) don't actually involve a war, presenting concrete examples will require you to refrain from lawyering too hard about it. Are you willing to be a bit broad-minded in what you consider as 'evidence,' if I take it upon myself to make a reasonably good case in good faith?
 
How about the season two episode Peak Performance, also covered by SFDebris if you're interested, where Riker says this:

Over the course of the entire episode everyone of the crew treats the whole exercise (ship-to-ship combat skills test) as a waste of time. Not due to confidence in their skills but due to them sharing the sentiment Riker expressed in the quote above.

That's a pretty good one!
 
For a rapidly updating quest like this with a very active voter base, I'd imagine a delay of at most 3 hours.

It's also most useful when write-ins typically make a significant portion of the vote plan (again, Ignition serves as the perfect example here with its huge vote plan monstrosities). Probably not as applicable to TBG.

A three hours delay is useless, it would have almost no impact at all, especially since Oneiros operates on australian time.
 
Incidentally, I've updated my ship-building spreadsheet to allow people to start an Ambassador prototype.

I put in the "canon" costs and stats for the moment since I don't know what final design we'll actually use, but those values can easily be altered on the Stats2 tab. For now it's enough to give an idea.

I'm coming around to the idea we should really start the Ambassador in 2311 if we want to see it by the end of 2320. Since the prototype will take six years to build.
 
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