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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) Starfleet Ship Design Bureau, Refit ("To Boldly Go...")
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What would we say the amount of crew the Centaur class has?

Memory Alpha gives 315 in the Dominion war and 200 in STO. But the Class numbers for this quest is 5 blocks of crew, for around 250.

For now I'm just arbitrarily going with 265 Officers and crew.
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
Political Rewards

Request new Starbase I RBZ 20pp, 6 turns, ETC 2309.Q4
Establish forward Outposts in the Cardassian Border Zones, 4 turns, 20pp (create Outpost Is at Beta Corridan, Aelin, and colony worlds Vintus and 15 Themis), ETC 2309.Q4
Request Refit Program for Constitution class [Constitution-class acquires stat block listed below], 8 turns, 35pp, ETC 2309.Q2
Request Mining Colony at 21 Themis VII, 8pp (4 turns, gain +15 (20) sr / year), ETC 2309.Q2
Request Mining Colony at Galus V, 8pp (4 turns, gain +15 br / year), ETC 2309.Q2
Request Research Colony at Meridia VI, 8pp (4 turns, gain 5(6) rp/ year), ETC 2309.Q2
Request expansion of Utopia Planitia, 40pp, (4 turns, gain 1 3mt, 1 1mt berth), ETC 2309.Q2
Request expansion of Lor'Vela Orbital Construction Facility, 10pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth), ETC 2309.Q2
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We also requested an Academy Expansion and a Tech team. Though maybe you don't list that stuff?
 
Sort of off topic, but the TNG era Warp scale sucks ass. It's like an exponential scale thatthat hanged the exponent in the middle. A slightly better equation would be the arctangent, I guess, but while mathematically cleaner, it's still confusing and unintuitive.

OOC, sure I get that Gene Roddenberry wanted Warp 10 to be the absolute max and they needed the Ent D to sound significantly faster than Ent A. But IC, theres absolutely no reason the Scientists and Engineers of Starfleet would have adopted it.
 
Briefvoice said:
We also requested an Academy Expansion and a Tech team. Though maybe you don't list that stuff?
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Not usually.

Nix said:
I usually don't do a full audit, just check whether yearly income matches my notes, whether pp match up to the listed, and whether anything else looks odd or contradicts something I remember. If someone wants to check whether any event boni are missing they can go ahead, that's something I very well might miss.

@OneirosTheWriter : looks like reseach income accounts for Yel'urulausu but not Meridia VI?

Sol +5 Betazed +5 Vulcan +10 Andoria +5 Tellar Prime +5 Amarkia +5 Ferasa +5 Rigel +5 Apinae +5 Indoria +2 Caldonia +5 Biroth +(5+2) Aelin +(5+2) Athos V +(5+2) Meridia VI +(5+2) Caldonia (first contact) +5 Fashieran IV +5 Yel'urulausu +(5+1) research agreement Betazed 2301.Q4 +5 Betazoid-Rigel-Gaen research agreement 2308.Q1 +5 Research Net I +5
116rp

Why does Yel'urulausu get 5(6) rp anyway rather than 5(7)?
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Possibly, I'll double-check.
 
Yeangst said:
OOC, sure I get that Gene Roddenberry wanted Warp 10 to be the absolute max and they needed the Ent D to sound significantly faster than Ent A. But IC, theres absolutely no reason the Scientists and Engineers of Starfleet would have adopted it.
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...Okay, how often does the Captain of a ship say 'Well, we're in a big hurry. Warp 9 sounds good.'

I can EASILY see why the engineers would have adopted that scale.

That kind of thing happens all the time in real-world product development. Scotty's mama didn't raise any fools.
 
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Yeangst said:
Sort of off topic, but the TNG era Warp scale sucks ass. It's like an exponential scale thatthat hanged the exponent in the middle. A slightly better equation would be the arctangent, I guess, but while mathematically cleaner, it's still confusing and unintuitive.
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Why not something similar to the Lorenz factor, based on some new warp physics they discovered during the transwarp experiment, which their previous equations were only an approximation for, similar to Newtonian mechanics are for Relativity?
 
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AKuz said:
Year 1831 of the Romulan Empire?
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Hmmm.

It would make the most sense to me if the Romulan Empire was founded somewhere around 1,000 years before the present. The fall of the Orions, Gorn, and their peers would have left a power vacuum.

The Romulan/Debrun exodus from Vulcan would have been some centuries before that, during the height or perhaps the early twilight years of that civilized epoch.
 
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So we didn't have anyone go into or out of the Explorer Corps Panel of Captains during the promotions phase. That means we're going to have the same 5 candidate pool when picking the Courageous's new Captain in Q1.

Captain Syzi ch'Zelil
Andorian Female, 43
Current Assignment, USS Docana, Constellation-class, Andor Sector
A Captain with a clear emphasis on personal safety and self-defence, gain re-roll for events involving away teams

Captain Rosalee McAdams
Human Female, 53
Current Assignment: USS Endurance, Captain
Tranquil as still waters up until the moment calls for action, when she throws all caution to the wind and strikes swiftly. Gain re-roll for combat-rolls.

Captain Langa Mbeki
Human Male, 41
Current Assignment: USS Challorn, Captain
A talented communicator and scientist, gain +1 Presence, re-roll non-First Contact Diplomacy.

Captain T'Rinta
Vulcan Female, 52
Current Assignment: Chief, Torpedo Systems Office, Weapon Systems Fabrication, Shipyard Ops Command
After a few years responsible for Starfleet's photon torpedo supply, T'Rinta knows every facet of these tools. Gain +1 Combat in ship battles.

Captain Talan th'Zahliss
Andorian Male, 45
Current Assignment: Assistant Director, Advanced Subspace Theory Office, Yoyodyne Propulsion Division
A keen scientist who who wants to turn to more practical pursuits. Gain +5rp/year.

I'm still rooting for T'Rinta. We owe her after she got us a free Weapons Tech team, and I reiterate her bonus isn't bad. I'm not sure we want to replace Maryam with another former Explorer 1st Officer. Let's get in a fresh face and a fresh perspective.

Leila Hann said:
Hmmm.

It would make the most sense to me if the Romulan Empire was founded somewhere around 1,000 years before the present. The fall of the Orions, Gorn, and their peers would have left a power vacuum.
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The great Exodus to Romulus could easily have been 1800 years ago and that's where they date their calendar, but the expansion from one struggling world into an Empire didn't happen until 800 years after that.
 
Nix said:
Why not something similar to the Lorenz factor, based on some new warp physics they discovered during the transwarp experiment, which their previous equations were only an approximation for, similar to Newtonian mechanics are for Relativity?
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The problem isn't just that 10 is the maximum, but that the scale changes at Warp 9.

And the Lorenz scale is fine, but not particularly useful for day to day operations. When I'm driving, I like the relatively lilnear difference between 60 and 65 mph, as a opposed to warp 9.5 and warp 9.50001
 
Yeangst said:
Helm: Did you mean Warp 9 or Warp 9.05 because the latter is actually exactly 3.7159 times faster...
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Yes? Given the scale, it's quite likely that Warp 9.05 is much harder on the engines than Warp 9. So if you want people in a hurry to use Warp 9.05 speed, you make that Warp 9. If you want them to use Warp 9 speed, you make that Warp 9 speed.

Much like Volume goes from 1-10 and it means jack squat in terms of actual decibels, you tailor the scale users will see to the way you want them to use it. Engineers should probably use the actual speed in terms of c and it's exponents anyway.
 
Nix said:
Why not something similar to the Lorenz factor, based on some new warp physics they discovered during the transwarp experiment, which their previous equations were only an approximation for, similar to Newtonian mechanics are for Relativity?
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Notably, the All Good Things Ent-D went at Warp 13, IIRC, which would suggest that if so, in the future they'd find out something else which caused them to rework it again.

Or someone at Starfleet got irritated enough by the decimals that they said fuck it all and switched back to the TOS scale.
 
A captain who's not from the engineering track is more likely to order flank speed (everything the ship has) or cruising speed (maximum sustainable).
 
Briefvoice said:
The great Exodus to Romulus could easily have been 1800 years ago and that's where they date their calendar, but the expansion from one struggling world into an Empire didn't happen until 800 years after that.
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I'm actually really curious about this whole history. Known space was heavily civilized a millennium ago, but somehow it all fell apart and remained fairly chaotic until just a couple centuries before the present. There also seems to have been a prolonged stagnation - if not outright regression - in technology, considering how fast we and our contemporaries have been advancing and how much time those others would have had.

Its a lot like the Late Bronze Age Collapse, only even more mysterious due to the whole tech level enigma.

I don't believe the Klingon legends that the Hurq destroyed everything, because if that were true then the Hurq would have controlled most of known space, and the Klingons would have inherited much of that after overthrowing them (instead of just the area southeast of us). It seems more likely that the Hurq were neighbors of the Orions and Gorn, and that the Klingon uprising happened after they were weakened by whatever disaster or series of disasters brought down the rest.
 
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Leila Hann said:
Hmmm.

It would make the most sense to me if the Romulan Empire was founded somewhere around 1,000 years before the present. The fall of the Orions, Gorn, and their peers would have left a power vacuum.

The Romulan/Debrun exodus from Vulcan would have been some centuries before that, during the height or perhaps the early twilight years of that civilized epoch.
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Most sources that I can find pin the Romulan exodus at around 2000 years ago so putting it at 479AD is a good approximation. And I can probably change "Since the foundation of the Romulan Empire" to the "Settlement of Rihan" it's really supposed to be inspired by the Romulan count of years since the founding of the City. (Yes I know that they mostly told years by the election of the Consuls)
 
Leila Hann said:
I'm actually really curious about this whole history. Known space was heavily civilized a millennium ago, but somehow it all fell apart and remained fairly chaotic until just a couple centuries ago. There also seems to have been a prolonged stagnation - if not outright regression - in technology, considering how fast we and our contemporaries have been advancing and how much time those others would have had.

Its a lot like the Late Bronze Age Collapse, only even more mysterious due to the whole tech level enigma.

I don't believe the Klingon legends that the Hurq destroyed everything, because if that was true then the Hurq would have controlled most of known space, and the Klingons would have inherited much of that after overthrowing them. It seems more likely that the Hurq were neighbors of the Orions and Gorn, and that the Klingon uprising happened after they were weakened by whatever disaster or series of disasters brought down the rest.
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There doesn't seem to be any real examination of the period, but a number of sources had a vague mention of "Eh about one to two thousand years ago everything went to shit" and the Rihannsu books specifically mention the collapse of the Orion empire and a group of post apocalyptic Orion raiders/slavers attacking Vulcan that is part of the immediate cause of Surak's rise.

@Iron Wolf had a vague theory of the Orions Empire and the Gorn going full Concordat of Man and Melconians on each other around 5oo - 1ooo AD, and that left the space for the current situation
 
AKuz said:
There doesn't seem to be any real examination of the period, but a number of sources had a vague mention of "Eh about one to two thousand years ago everything went to shit" and the Rihannsu books specifically mention the collapse of the Orion empire and a group of post apocalyptic Orion raiders/slavers attacking Vulcan that is part of the immediate cause of Surak's rise.

@Iron Wolf had a vague theory of the Orions Empire and the Gorn going full Concordat of Man and Melconians on each other around 5oo - 1ooo AD, and that left the space for the current situation
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Interesting. How advanced were the Vulcans before that happened? Were they a major power before the fall of Orion, or a relatively young interstellar society?
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Rerolls on our EC Captains are super good. That's why I'm voting McAdams, and I would take Mbeki over T'Rinta.
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It's hard to argue with that mechanically, so all I can say is that we've deliberately chosen the inferior mechanical option before and probably will again at some point. Yeah, that's right, I'm lobbying for the mechanically inferior choice, loud and proud!

I need to write another T'Rinta omake. Perhaps that would help get people on board.
 
McAdams for the Courageous, next year Mbeki for the Miracht and T'Rinta for the Sarek. If ka'Sharren is ready to move on and the bonus is good Mrr'shan for the Enterprise.
 
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