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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

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It feels to me that the pocket-explorer people and the Federation Cloaking Device people are coming at this from much the same angle-they see a 'capability gap' and want to rush to fill it, no matter how strange or questionable. (I think the pocket-explorer crowd are thinking in much the same line as Alfred Mahan was when he suggested 'coastal battleships' of intentionally lesser capabilities be built to pad out the numbers of the battle-line be built-it was a highly dubious proposition then and now.)

Like, let's make no bones about it. A cloaking device is for spying on people, or preforming surprise attacks. It's like a submarine, except worse in the eyes of the Federation. And Starfleet is not a spy agency, a military, or anyone who has a use for a 'submarine but worse'
 
Yes, but now @Derek58 has caused me to imagine one of the explorers visiting the planet of the Koolaidians.

These people have a highly unusual anatomy, and are capable of building up phenomenal momentum. Oddly, their culture lacks a concept we had previously thought to be utterly universal among all sapients:

Walls.
 
My heart. I can't take the tension. Between this and the electio- *dies*


> : } (Actually is fine. EVERYTHING IS FINE. PleasedontdienashorOCsortheothercharactersthatwe'vegrowntolove)
 
Or
Fed Diplomat: Could you please repeat that.

Romuluan Diplomat: Yes, we are applying for affiliate status to be given full membership in the next two years. Your Captain Saavik has shown us this is a possibility.
 
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All in all, I think the Klingons are going to be a lot less likely to try and pressure us into signing a no-cloaks treaty. Remember that the canon Romulans had a unique motive here that did not apply to the Klingons: the Romulans are trying to make it impossible for any Federation vessel to penetrate Romulan space, under any circumstances, because of their intense paranoia and desire to maintain secrecy. Keeping our ships cloak-less forces us to stay on our side of the Neutral Zone.
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But the Romulans already had that problem with the Klingons. So why did the Romulans give the Klingons cloaks? What makes the Klingons different to the Federation in Romulan eyes?

Very likely it is the size of the Federation, since the Romulans and the Klingons are both fairly reliably portrayed as being smaller and more primitive than the Federation - while they are peers they are lesser peers, much as the Soviet Union was a lesser peer to the USA.

As such, it is likely to be a very different kettle of fish for the Federation to gain cloaking technology, since then the Federation already had superiority over both powers in many areas.

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I'm not saying the Klingons are stupid. I'm saying the Klingons are alien. They don't consider dying in a fight to be a particularly bad thing. Mutually assured destruction probably sits quite comfortably with them, especially if they judge their opponent more likely to be deterred than they are- which most people would be.
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Stupid TNG Klingons might think this way. Movie era and TOS era Klingons certainly did not.

Guess which era we are closer to?

fasquardon
 
I do like the possibility of Klingons and Romulans entering the Federation.

It would be.. interesting.
 
@OneirosTheWriter do you have any events on you tables that result in the shenanigans of the reboot timeline?

Also guys, really, cloaks? This would be so boring if we had those. Better for others to use and us to work around. I think, though that it might be time to look to our own space and crush the Orion Syndicate to paste.
 
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