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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
- Thread starter OneirosTheWriter
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- Somewhere and Nowhere in a state of super-position
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I remember it being a plot point, that some Starfleet ships needed a ship with 4 Nacelle's to traverse a time-warp that a Mentat-Interloper made to try and destroy the Federation in its crib. That's the main reason why I was asking.
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- Germany
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... Isn't the great pyramid of giza a building, too?
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- Outside the Box
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No, it's a 5mt spaceship.
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- Aotearoa
Much easier to spot the Harmony-subverted puppets when they make themselves known like this.
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- Peterborough, NH, USA
...I don't get it, and you know how I feel about the Harmony. Is this a bit?
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- Aotearoa
Yes, it's a bit. The Harmony exclusively uses ring nacelles.
Edit- certainly on cruisers and tenders. Not really sure about corvettes and their parasite nacelles, TBH.
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- Peterborough, NH, USA
Hm, well, maybe after their power is broken, they'll be viable. Until then it's an automatic no unless we can be reasonably sure we've come up with the idea and designs independently(looking at you positronic computers).
Himmelhand
Giant Sinkhole 2020
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- Midwestern US
As it turns out, Beyonce was a Singer all along, and she was really just talking about warp theory the whole time. Who'd have thought?
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- Aotearoa
I don't know, there's a lot of institutional expertise tied up with parallel nacelles- Yoyodyne et al warp theory, ship construction techniques, Starfleet engineers. I imagine a shift to Ring nacelles would be like dumping us back to T0 or lower.
That, and aesthetics- Starfleet has a certain expected look, we are required to design and commission ships that match that look, and that look does to date include long, parallel nacelles.
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- Peterborough, NH, USA
Two sets of parallel nacelles would still, technically, be 'A set of parallel nacelles.' but it would really be stretching.
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- Aotearoa
I think we're wandering off track here...? By two sets, do you mean quad-nacelles? Ring nacelles =/= quad nacelles, I'd think.
Because we've done canon quads as well (on the Stella), but quest(?) soft canon appears to be that quad nacelles complicate the warp bubble dynamics technobabble.
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- Peterborough, NH, USA
Oh, I was imagining either 'Inner set of parallel nacelles and an outer set of parallel nacelles.' or 'Two sets of parallel nacelles arranged in a circle 90 degrees apart from each other, creating a point of clashing fields near the engine trail that eufboiwsiovnoiabf' instead of a doughnut.
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- Aotearoa
Harmony Choreographer:
From @AKuz on Discord, so hopefully cool to repost as illustrative.
Edit- also found what was described as a rough mockup of the matching Dancer previous-generation corvette:
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- NorthEast
Those are Harmony ships?
Yes, that is the design style they are using. Mockups were done in Galactic Civilizations III ship designer by the look of them.
ISC and older Vulcan vessels are also ring-nacelle designs. Starfleet is mostly dual nacelle (Constellations are quad). Klingons and Romulans have dual nacelles.
Not aware of anyone using quad as a standard design.
(In omakes, the Constellation quad nacelle is treated as a very crew heavy option that gives greater straight-line warp speed, but lowers turning speed. In actual ship designs, no difference at a level we actually track)
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- Aotearoa
Yes, indeed, the Harmony Choreographer tender and older Dancer corvette design.
Edit: Indeed. The ship builder has both Sprint-pattern nacelles, and Garrison-pattern nacelles available to cruisers, and while the quad-nacelle Constellation-A uses sprints, so does the Rennie/Envoy, and those are dual-nacelle ships. Sprints are also cheaper, and use less crew, as it happens, but are less efficient.
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- Somewhere and Nowhere in a state of super-position
That's not very nice. But so long as it doesn't devolve into "BURN THE WITCH!!" "THESE PEOPLE ARE MACHINES NOT SOPHONTS!!" and "NEURAL-CHIPS DEGRADE THE SPIRIT!!" all is well.
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- Peterborough, NH, USA
I don't think they're not people. Much like the Joker, the fact that they're people makes them all the more evil. Similarly, the chips have a demonstrated capacity to change how you think whether you like it or not, and then removing them doesn't fix it.
To be honest?
I don't think that those who have fallen under deep enough control of the Singers have much personhood left. They're just tools, existing to perform their master's instructions without thought of their own.
I doubt we've seen people who have been that far corrupted, but it's a possible result.
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- Aotearoa
There are certainly parallels with necromancy, causing death(-of-personality)-and-reanimation as a mockery of the previous existence. Or possession.
The Singers have caused that death and replaced the original person with a puppet who- sometimes, when permitted- gets to think they're the person their manipulated memories indicate they were beforehand.
In the more extreme cases, it's likely nothing of the original the person exists anymore, just a twisted, animated likeness.
(I really hate and on a personal, primal level fear the Singers, what they stand for and do and everything about them.
Of course, I also think people in Star Trek undeniably are disintegrated, die and get reconsituted from that data pattern every time they step into a transporter, so. And could easily and simply be cloned. Existential identity and body horror everywhere, if you think about it too hard.)
The Singers have caused that death and replaced the original person with a puppet who- sometimes, when permitted- gets to think they're the person their manipulated memories indicate they were beforehand.
In the more extreme cases, it's likely nothing of the original the person exists anymore, just a twisted, animated likeness.
(I really hate and on a personal, primal level fear the Singers, what they stand for and do and everything about them.
Of course, I also think people in Star Trek undeniably are disintegrated, die and get reconsituted from that data pattern every time they step into a transporter, so. And could easily and simply be cloned. Existential identity and body horror everywhere, if you think about it too hard.)
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Himmelhand
Giant Sinkhole 2020
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- Midwestern US
There's still a person there in every case that I believe we've seen, barring perhaps the existence of the physical people walking around with the Singer title, who may be closer to sock puppets with no agency outside of their infomorph 'pilots'.
Otherwise, I believe everyone still has some sort of personality/autonomy for when the Singers aren't directly in control, even if that personality might have been previously overwritten.
Regardless, it's pretty awful for anyone to be placed in that situation. I guess I wouldn't be that offended if the Singers were just driving around what would otherwise be a brain-dead body that never had a life of its own, and perhaps that could be a possible future path for them, but that's a far cry from their current crimes.
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- Peterborough, NH, USA
Well, the new movies have it take a noticeable period of time to transport someone where they gradually fade in one location and become solid in another, so it's probably more akin to teleportation in the conventional 'I was there and now I'm here.' sense.
Sadly, the people controlled by the Singers do have personhood. It's just that they're entirely new people that replaced the person who had a death of personality. That's one of the worst bits about the Singers, because all the people they're stringing along are actual people who, in the absence of Singers and with a great deal of psychiatric help, could very easily be productive and well adjusted members of society.
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- Peterborough, NH, USA
Yep, and they keep killing and replacing these people, over and over, to the point the less-bloodstained members probably still have body counts up there with WW1, while the elder members might have kill counts up there in the billions. I wonder if they've ever had competitions to see who can rewrite more people in a day? Testing their limits and whatnot.