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-[ ][FDS] [Disunified Homeworld [2/3 (FDS)], [The Revolution Does Not Negotiate With Tyrants: 0/3 FDS] (linked tag), [Jumping In Proboscis First 0/2 (FDS)], [Sour about Caitian Conflict: [0/1] (FDS)],

The first one is vital, and consuems 6P out of PC-As 9P, so to use up the rest a ship like C-B is added for another tag. The second is to get started on the whole Licory mess, which direly needs some FDS attention and to help open diplomatic channels between the Commune and Licory Empire (and nobles). Could instead be [Slavery: 0/4 (FDS)], and the nature of what resolving that means makes it very tempting, but the Licory mess really needs people to talk, and the HoH one too. Third tag to get started on the enthusiastic to join Misek and get them under our umbrella somewhat ASAP, because they are in a horrifically dangerous area of space. Them affiliating/allying/joining would also extend our reach down there, and we need that to keep the various fire from burning that whole (dark) forest down. Fourth because it is quick, easy, and would leave the Dawiar open to affiliation if the leave the Gorn. If they do, we will need to act fast probably. And even if they don't leave the Gorn, resolving that tag should help lessen some hostility from them in the future.

Now I will try my hand on deployment planning, though I will wait on BV before actually voting for anything. Bad idea to ignore expert advice when it's available.
 
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[X] Plan Coreward Diplomacy
-[X][CORE] Assign VAdm Crogan's requests. 8 explorers, 13 cruisers (1 diplomatic cruiser), 35 frigates (10 Mirandas)
-[X][TAIL] Assign less than Adm sh'Nathriq's requests.
--[X] 2 Explorers, 6 Cruisers, 15 Frigates (6 Keplers).
-[X][SPIN] Assign less than VAdm ch'Zelil's requests.
--[X] 3 Explorers, 4 Cruisers, 18 Frigates.
-[X][CENT] Assign less than VAdm Pragur's requests.
--[X] 4 Explorers, 6 Cruisers, 14 Frigates.
-[X][FDS] OSA: [Disunified Homeworld [2/3 (FDS)], Felis: [Weak Central Government 0/6 (FDS)], Arcadian Empire: [Slavery: 0/4 (FDS)], Morshadd Commune: [The Revolution Does Not Negotiate With Tyrants: 0/3 FDS] (linked tag), Misek: [Jumping In Proboscis First 0/2 (FDS)], Dawiar*: [Sour about Caitian Conflict: [0/1] (FDS)]
 
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I would prefer to have someone working on the Shanpurr tag, considering that's probably gonna explode any year now and it still needs at least eight years of sustained effort
 
[ ] Plan Enerael
-[ ][CORE] Assign less than VAdm Crogan's requests.
--[ ] 7 explorers, 10 cruisers + 2 diplomatic (11 total), 34 frigates (10 Mirandas) +1 for FDS work
-[ ][TAIL] Assign less than Adm sh'Nathriq's requests.
--[ ] 2 Explorers, 6 cruisers, 14 frigates (6 Keplers)
-[ ][SPIN] Assign less than VAdm ch'Zelil's requests.
--[ ] 4 explorers, 5 cruisers, 17 frigates
-[ ][CENT] Assign less than VAdm Pragur's requests.
--[ ] 4 explorers, 6 cruisers + 1 diplomatic (7 total), 15 frigates +1 for FDS work

CORE: -1E (-1/7), -2C (-1/6), -1F (-1/35)
TAIL: -2C (-1/4), -2F (-1/8)
SPIN: -1C (-1/6), -3F (-1/7)
CENT: -1E (-1/5), -2C (-1/3.5), -1F (-1/16)

Tried to take about equal % from each theaters desired fleet, with a bias towards CORE which borders HoH. The smaller the fraction of the ship grade taken (so, the bigger the number after / ,is) the better for that theater.

17 explorers, 26 cruisers, 3 diplo cruisers, and 80 frigates + 2 that will be seconded to FDS deployed (81 total).

Don't vote for this yet! I'm not. Comments welcome though.

Note, the admirals in charge are free to, say, send three Mirandas or a Constellation-A to help with FDS tags if they really want to, not dictating anything here. It's just important to have an idea of what the effective garrison will be, without those FDS ships.

Edit: Added one frigate as per BVs correction, and moved a cruiser from Central to Core. Makes Central concerningly cruiser weak compared to what they wanted, but Core needs the heavies ships in case of trouble and there was no better place to take a cruiser from (would have hurt even more elsewhere) and I compensates by leaving them one more frigate.
 
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rather reenforce the core and weaken the rest a little then weaken everybody a little?

it will take 1 to 2 years to get spare ships out of the docks there while there is a high chance of war soon(tm)
 
I know that it goes against our current needs but I think we need a Cardassian intelligence report come the next time we can get one. I think we are too focused on our future war with the Harmony that we are forgetting about the knife at our backs while facing the Harmony.
 
Anime_Fan35 said:
I know that it goes against our current needs but I think we need a Cardassian intelligence report come the next time we can get one. I think we are too focused on our future war with the Harmony that we are forgetting about the knife at our backs while facing the Harmony.
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Intel will likely be simplified. And future maybe war, I still doubt that it would come to that.
 
Enerael said:
Intel will likely be simplified. And future maybe war, I still doubt that it would come to that.
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Given what we know of Cardassian psychology, I think a war is basically inevitable. They aren't reckless, but they will always be seeking to establish dominance over us. The current cold war will only last until the Cardassians see an opportunity to overpower us, either through superior force or by taking advantage of a distraction. So far we've done a good job convincing them not to try and building up our forces while peeling off members of their alliance, but I don't think that's a permanent solution.
 
Nervos Belli said:
Given what we know of Cardassian psychology, I think a war is basically inevitable. They aren't reckless, but they will always be seeking to establish dominance over us. The current cold war will only last until the Cardassians see an opportunity to overpower us, either through superior force or by taking advantage of a distraction. So far we've done a good job convincing them not to try and building up our forces while peeling off members of their alliance, but I don't think that's a permanent solution.
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The comment you are replying to was about war with Harmony, not Cardies.

I am not so sure that war with Cardassians is inevitable, UFP is too strong. They will push, they will try to snap up minor powers, etc, but an outright war they will lose. Purely shipwise (neglecting strategy, superweapons, infiltration, etc) UFP could win a war against two major powers simultaneously if it fully mobilized. And Cardies know this, to a degree at least.

There are those in their government that want war anyway, they might catch stupid and start a war (or force our hand), they could get desperate and try to cripple us before we dwarf them utterly, or they could join in should another major power try its luck, etc, so it's certainly a concerning possibility, but I really wouldn't call it inevitable.

Also, this only applies for Cardassians as they are now. How inevitable did war seem when Romulans or Klingons were our enemies? And now our border with them will likely be the least garrisonned of of all of our theaters.

Facts are, Cardies can't win a war against us right now without a large opening, and every year that passes the power difference grows larger. Because UFP is just fundamentally more functional as a polity, and we grow at obscene speeds compared to any other.
 
Jenny said:
Available ships in 2326.Q1:
17 explorers
29 cruisers (3 diplomatic cruisers)
81 frigates (19 Mirandas, 28 Keplers)
(Ships that become available or depart for refit will be automatically added or removed proportionally)
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EDIT: My bad, the cruisers were correct after all.

These numbers are not all correct.

17 Explorers - Correct

29 Cruisers (3 are diplomatic cruisers) - Correct

81 frigates - We have 17 Mirandas (we just gave 2 away), 35 Centaur-Bs, 30 Keplers, and 1 Comet. 1 Kepler is on TF duty. 17 + 35 + 30 + 1 -1 = 82, of which 17 are Mirandas and 29 are Keplers.

Suggest everyone use the above frigate numbers in your plans.
 
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Briefvoice said:
EDIT: My bad, the cruisers were correct after all.

These numbers are not all correct.

17 Explorers - Correct

29 Cruisers (3 are diplomatic cruisers) - Correct

81 frigates - We have 17 Mirandas (we just gave 2 away), 35 Centaur-Bs, 30 Keplers, and 1 Comet. 1 Kepler is on TF duty. 17 + 35 + 30 + 1 -1 = 82, of which 17 are Mirandas and 29 are Keplers.

Suggest everyone use the above frigate numbers in your plans.
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Update: Jenny had the cruisers correct after all; my screw-up.
 
[X][TADM] Rear Admiral Alejandro Suarez

Currently in command of a shipyard in-theater, can't hurt to move him into a different kind of position. Don't remember really anything about him though.

Available ships in 2326.Q1:
17 explorers
29 cruisers (3 diplomatic cruisers)
82 frigates (17 Mirandas, 29 Keplers)
(Ships that become available or depart for refit will be automatically added or removed proportionally)

[X] Raw Draft 1
-[X][CORE] Assign VAdm Crogan's requests. 8 explorers, 13 cruisers (1 diplomatic cruiser), 35 frigates (10 Mirandas)
-[X][TAIL] Assign less than Adm sh'Nathriq's requests.
--[X] Write-in 2 Explorers, 4 Cruisers, 12 Frigates (8 Keplers).
-[X][SPIN] Assign less than VAdm ch'Zelil's requests.
--[X] Write-in 3 Explorers, 4 Cruisers (1 diplomatic cruiser), 20 Frigates.
-[X][CENT] Assign less than VAdm Pragur's requests.
--[X] Write-in 4 Explorers, 6 Cruisers (1 diplomatic cruiser), 15 Frigates.
-[X][FDS] Choose up to six FDS tags to work on. For every tag selected, 6P worth of ships from the appropriate theater will be assigned to FDS duty in 2326.Q1, and the tag will gain 1 point of progress at the end of 2326. You may choose less than six tags.
--[X] OSA-Disunified Homeworld
--[X] Morshadd Commune-The Revolution Does Not Negotiate With Tyrants
--[X] Felis-Weak Central Government
--[X] Shanpurr-Interfering With Pre-Warp Societies
--[X] Misek-Jumping in Proboscis First
--[X] Dawiar-Sour About Caitian Conflict

Ok so, this plan gives Coreward Theater the only full roster. However, it also manages to fill most of our other serious deployment needs. Central and Spinward both get almost their full frigate complements, while Tailward gets its explorers. Tailward is probably the most left out to dry here, which is unfortunate given federalization, but in line with the Admirals' requests. However, Tailward also gets 2 more Keplers under this plan than they requested, which should help balance out the issues.

As to FDS tags, each theater which has a tag that's being worked on gets a diplomatic cruiser. The plan targets the OSA, Felis, and Commune along the Harmony Front, to strengthen pro-UFP sentiments in those polities. In addition, the Commune tag should help us with the Arcadian Empire as well. The Shanpurr get a tag because they really need to stop or at least slow their roll with uplifts, and the Misek because of their extremely exposed position.

Comments of course very much welcome on the plan.

EDITS:
1. Switched the Lamarck to the Dawiar on the suggestion of @Glassware . It's a one year tag and probably a good idea to solve. Lamarck will still be there, and don't dislike us.
 
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Raw90 said:
[X][TADM] Rear Admiral Alejandro Suarez

Currently in command of a shipyard in-theater, can't hurt to move him into a different kind of position. Don't remember really anything about him though.

Available ships in 2326.Q1:
17 explorers
29 cruisers (3 diplomatic cruisers)
82 frigates (17 Mirandas, 29 Keplers)
(Ships that become available or depart for refit will be automatically added or removed proportionally)

[X] Raw Draft 1
-[X][CORE] Assign VAdm Crogan's requests. 8 explorers, 13 cruisers (1 diplomatic cruiser), 35 frigates (10 Mirandas)
-[X][TAIL] Assign less than Adm sh'Nathriq's requests.
--[X] Write-in 2 Explorers, 4 Cruisers, 12 Frigates (8 Keplers).
-[X][SPIN] Assign less than VAdm ch'Zelil's requests.
--[X] Write-in 3 Explorers, 4 Cruisers (1 diplomatic cruiser), 20 Frigates.
-[X][CENT] Assign less than VAdm Pragur's requests.
--[X] Write-in 4 Explorers, 6 Cruisers (1 diplomatic cruiser), 15 Frigates.
-[X][FDS] Choose up to six FDS tags to work on. For every tag selected, 6P worth of ships from the appropriate theater will be assigned to FDS duty in 2326.Q1, and the tag will gain 1 point of progress at the end of 2326. You may choose less than six tags.
--[X] OSA-Disunified Homeworld
--[X] Morshadd Commune-The Revolution Does Not Negotiate With Tyrants
--[X] Felis-Weak Central Government
--[X] Shanpurr-Interfering With Pre-Warp Societies
--[X] Misek-Jumping in Proboscis First
--[X] Lamarck-No Unified Government

Ok so, this plan gives Coreward Theater the only full roster. However, it also manages to fill most of our other serious deployment needs. Central and Spinward both get almost their full frigate complements, while Tailward gets its explorers. Tailward is probably the most left out to dry here, which is unfortunate given federalization, but in line with the Admirals' requests. However, Tailward also gets 2 more Keplers under this plan than they requested, which should help balance out the issues.

As to FDS tags, each theater which has a tag that's being worked on gets a diplomatic cruiser. The plan targets the OSA, Felis, and Commune along the Harmony Front, to strengthen pro-UFP sentiments in those polities. In addition, the Commune tag should help us with the Arcadian Empire as well. The Shanpurr get a tag because they really need to stop or at least slow their roll with uplifts, and then the Lamarck to help them develop a bit, and the Misek because of their extremely exposed position.

Comments of course very much welcome on the plan.
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I would suggest immediately getting some work in on the Dawiar's tag blocking affiliation, since we want as few diplomatic obstacles there as possible. The Lamarck can probably wait.
 
So the combined requests are:

19 Explorers - We're short 2
35 Cruisers - We're short 6
87 Frigates - We're short 5

I want to give Coreward and the Harmony most of what they want... but I'm afraid they may have to be short a couple of cruisers. The trouble polities on our Rimward seem to have turned inwards for the moment, so I think it's safer to short Central Theatre a little more than the others. Spinward will have to give in too. I think the most important thing here is not to freak about about shorting Crogan a couple of cruisers. He has a lot of events... but we're giving him an incredible amount of ships. Don't let fear of Harmony stampede you into not trimming the fat a little on his request. 8 Explorers is already extraordinary.

[X] Briefvoice Short Central Mostly
-[X][CORE] Assign less than VAdm Crogan's requests.
--[X] 8 Explorers, 11 Cruisers (including 1 diplomatic cruiser), 34 frigates (including 10 Mirandas)
-[X][TAIL] Assign less than Adm sh'Nathriq's requests.
--[X] 2 Explorers, 7 Cruisers, 15 frigates (at least 6 Keplers)
-[X][SPIN] Assign less than VAdm ch'Zelil's requests.
--[X] 3 Explorers, 5 Cruisers, 19 Frigates.
-[X][CENT] Assign less than VAdm Pragur's requests.
--[X] 4 Explorers, 6 Cruisers, 14 Frigates.
-[X][FDS] OSA: Disunified Homeworld; Shanpurr: Interfering with Pre-Warp Societies; Morshadd Commune: The Revolution Does Not Negotiate With Tyrants; Dawiar: Sour about Caitian Conflict; Arcadian Empire: Slavery; Bajoran Diaspora: Caste System

Coreward gets 2 less cruisers and 1 less frigate than requested.
Tailward gets 1 less cruiser and 1 less frigate than requested.
Spinward gets 1 less Explorer, 1 less cruiser, and 1 less frigate than requested.
Central gets 1 less Explorer, 2 less cruisers, and 2 less frigates than requested.

I assume an Explorer is worth about two other ships, BTW, but that a cruiser isn't really worth more than a frigate. So Core is shorted "3", Tailward is shorted "2" (but a greater percentage of their total), Spinward is shorted "4", and Central is shorted "6".

[X][TADM] Vice Admiral Rachel Ainsworth

Sure, why not? She has experience with the Klingons and Romulans.
 
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Raw90 said:
Comments of course very much welcome on the plan.
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Samhaya Mr'Shan (I hope I spelled that correctly) is eligible for that posting. Former Enterprise captain.

Corewards needs one diplocruiser free to keep watch on the Licory situation, if something goes bad there we will really want to pass that P check. And one tag per PC-A wastes one third of their P.

--[] Write-in 2 Explorers, 4 Cruisers, 12 Frigates (8 Keplers).
-1/2C, -1/3F. A rather massive weakening.

--[] Write-in 3 Explorers, 4 Cruisers (1 diplomatic cruiser), 20 Frigates.
-1/4E, -1/2C (effective cruisers, the diplo one will be away), -1/20F (due to one F resolving tags). Also massively weakened.

--[] Write-in 4 Explorers, 6 Cruisers (1 diplomatic cruiser), 15 Frigates.
-1/5E, -1/3C, -1/8F Ouch on the cruisers but otherwise looks fine.

Felis are part of the Corewards theater, not Spinwards.
 
Enerael said:
Corewards needs one diplocruiser free to keep watch on the Licory situation, if something goes bad there we will really want to pass that P check. And one tag per PC-A wastes one third of their P.
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We don't get to say what ships are assigned to FDS tags and which aren't, so the notion that assigning tags determines whether a diplocruiser is kept "free" is a bit questionable. Maybe they'll assign a single Kepler instead! They have P6 now, remember.

One thing to keep in mind too is that mid-year a bunch of Envoys are going to drop somewhere as determined by the GMs.
 
Briefvoice said:
I assume an Explorer is worth about two other ships, BTW, but that a cruiser isn't really worth more than a frigate. So Core is shorted "3", Tailward is shorted "4" (but a greater percentage of their total), Spinward is shorted "4", and Central is shorted "5".
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Doesn't assigning ships to FDS tags also prevent them from responding to other event?

In that case, with three tags in Coreward, 2 in Spinward, and 1 in Central it's more like 6 "short" in Coreward Theatre, 4 short in Tailward, 6 short in Spinward, and 6 short in Central. (Assuming all 6 tags take only one ship, either a Patroller-A or a Kepler)
 
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Doesn't assigning ships to FDS tags also prevent them from responding to other event?
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I don't know, does it? The Deployment post doesn't say so.

In that case, with three tags in Coreward, 2 in Spinward, and 1 in Central it's more like 6 "short" in Coreward Theatre, 4 short in Tailward, 6 short in Spinward, and 6 short in Central. (Assuming all 6 tags take only one ship, either a Patroller-A or a Kepler)
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Still probably "about right" proportionally in terms of how many ships we're denying compared to how many they asked for. Though if all three Patrol Cruiser-A were assigned Coreward, that would be one for Crogan's work and the other two could handle the 3 tags between the two of them.
 
Briefvoice said:
[X] Briefvoice Short Central Mostly
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Very similar to my plan i'm glad to see.

I disagree with the FDS tags chosen however. 3 Corewards, 2 Spinwards, 1 Central. The last one especially is a problem, because two PC-As can take on 3 tags nicely, and 3 C-Bs can take on 2 tags well, but one is awkward and wastes ships. Also, this weakens the theaters mentioned by drawing those ships away from garrison duty, which needs to be accounted for.

[X] Briefvoice Enerael Variant
-[X][CORE] Assign less than VAdm Crogan's requests.
--[X] 8 Explorers, 9 Cruisers + 3 Diplomatic Cruisers, 32 frigates (including 10 Mirandas)
-[X][TAIL] Assign less than Adm sh'Nathriq's requests.
--[X] 2 Explorers, 6 Cruisers, 15 frigates (at least 6 Keplers)
-[X][SPIN] Assign less than VAdm ch'Zelil's requests.
--[X] 3 Explorers, 5 Cruisers, 19 Frigates.
-[X][CENT] Assign less than VAdm Pragur's requests.
--[X] 4 Explorers, 6 Cruisers, 13 Frigates + 3 expected to be seconded to FDS.
-[X][FDS] Choose up to six FDS tags to work on. For every tag selected, 6P worth of ships from the appropriate theater will be assigned to FDS duty in 2326.Q1, and the tag will gain 1 point of progress at the end of 2326. You may choose less than six tags.
--[X] Corewards Theater
---[X] OSA - [Disunified Homeworld [2/3 (FDS)] (blocks membership)
---[X] Morshadd Commune - [The Revolution Does Not Negotiate With Tyrants: 0/3 FDS] (linked tag) (blocks affiliation)
---[X] Arcadian Empire - [Slavery: 0/4 (FDS)] (blocks affiliation)
--[X] Central Theater
---[X] Misek - [Jumping In Proboscis First 0/2 (FDS)] (blocks alliance)
---[X] Dawiar - [Sour about Caitian Conflict: [0/1] (FDS)] (blocks affiliation)

3 tags Coreward to be resolved by 2 CA-As with one in reserve for any Licory fire that might spring up, 2 tags in Central to be resolved by 3 C-B frigates or equivalents. Moved a cruiser and two frigates around to account for the holes left by the FDS missions.
 
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Briefvoice said:
We don't get to say what ships are assigned to FDS tags and which aren't, so the notion that assigning tags determines whether a diplocruiser is kept "free" is a bit questionable. Maybe they'll assign a single Kepler instead! They have P6 now, remember.

One thing to keep in mind too is that mid-year a bunch of Envoys are going to drop somewhere as determined by the GMs.
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As I have mentioned before, the admiral in charge can use any ships they want for FDS missions. I am merely making sure that appropriate ones are available if they feel like using those, and accounting for the holes taking ships away from garrison duties would result in.

DarknessSmiles said:
Can we really afford the ships for more than 1 or 2 fds tags?

i dont think we can. Not with the looming war.
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Yes we can, 3 tags at the very least, because we have 3 diplo cruisers with P9 and only one spoken for. And 3 C-Bs for 2 more tags won't kill us either.
 
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If a shooting war starts this year, those ships will likely be recalled. If a shooting war doesn't start this year, they will be working toward improving the security of each of our major threat-fronts.

[X] Raw Draft 1

Specifically because I do want to focus on Harmony, and with the removal of the Discord system in exchange for it just being event response, that means not shorting the deployment here.
 
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