Also, I accidentally posted that plan halfway in the middle of typing it up.
It's also irrelevant now because I decided I was spending too much time writing it up here.
It also didn't really do much besides add 2 Extra Kepler's, Allow us to EC crew another Ambassador, and finish up the Renaissance and Miranda-B Refits just in time for the potential Constellation-B Refits.
Here's a picture of the Build Spreadsheet.
Now if you don't mind, I think I'm going to go to bed now.
I can't believe I spent more than 2 1/2 Hours trying to type that text into this post.
Okay, I decided to spend another hour on my build plan.
[X][BUILD] 2326 Plan CS : 2 Explorer Corps Ambassador's, 6 Renaissance-A's, 17 Refits to Renaissance-A, 2 Kepler's, 6 Refits to Miranda-B, 1 Super-Freighter, and 2 Hospital Ships
Sol System Berths (May utilize Heavy Industrial Park)
SF Berth A (3mt) – Building Ambassador. (ETC 2327.Q3)
SF Berth 1 (1mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
SF Berth 2 (1mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
Luna Berth A (3.1mt) – Building Ambassador. (ETC 2326.Q4). In 2326.Q4, commence Renaissance-A using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2329.Q1)
Luna Berth B (3.1mt) – Refitting Renaissance [Enlightenment (B)] to "Envoy" pattern (ETC 2326.Q3). In 2326.Q4, commence Renaissance-A using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2329.Q1)
Luna Berth 1 (1mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
Luna Berth 2 (1mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
UP Berth A (3mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
UP Berth B (3mt) – In 2326.Q1 commence refit of Renaissance [Justice (B)] to Renaissance-A pattern. (ETC 2327.Q1)
UP Berth C (3mt) – Building Ambassador using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2329.Q1)
UP Berth D (3mt) – Building Ambassador using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2329.Q1)
UP Berth E (3mt) – In 2326.Q4 commence Ambassador using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2330.Q2)
UP Berth F (3mt) – In 2326.Q4 commence Ambassador using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2330.Q2)
UP Berth Z (2mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
UP Berth Y (2mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
UP Berth X (2mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
UP Berth 1 (1mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
UP Berth 2 (1mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
UP Berth 3 (1mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
UP Berth 4 (1mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
UP Berth 5 (1mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
UP Berth 6 (1mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
Other Shipyards
Green Hook 1 (1mt) – In 2326.Q1 commence refit of Renaissance [Suffrage (B)] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2327.Q1]
Green Hook 2 (1mt) – In 2326.Q1 commence refit of Renaissance [Emancipation (B)] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2327.Q1]
Green Hook 3 (1mt) – In 2326.Q1 commence refit of Renaissance [Insight (B)] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2327.Q1]
Oreasa Starfleet Berth 1 (1mt) – Building Comet. (ETC 2327.Q3)
Oreasa Starfleet Berth 2 (1mt) – Building Comet. (ETC 2327.Q3)
Grand Duk 1 (1mt) – Refitting of Renaissance [Epiphany] to "Envoy" pattern. [ETC 2326.Q3] In 2326.Q3, commence refit of Renaissance [Reason] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2327.Q3]
Grand Duk 2 (1mt) – In 2326.Q1 commence refit of Renaissance [Thelasa-vei] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2327.Q1]
LOCF Berth A (2.5mt) – Refitting Renaissance [Phinda] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2326.Q3] In 2326.Q3, commence refit of Renaissance [Kir'shara] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2327.Q3]
LOCF Berth 1 (1mt) – Refitting Renaissance [Concord] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2326.Q3]. In 2326.Q3, commence refit of Miranda-A [Dryad (B)] to Miranda-B pattern (ETC 2327.Q3).
Andor Orbital A (3mt) – Building Ambassador. (ETC 2326.Q4) In 2326.Q4, commence refit of Miranda-A [Agile (B)] to Miranda-B pattern. [ETC 2327.Q4]
Andor Orbital 1 (1mt) – Building Renaissance-A. [ETC 2328.Q3]
Andor Orbital 2 (1mt) – Building Renaissance-A. [ETC 2328.Q3]
Andor Orbital 3 (1mt) – In 2326.Q1 commence refit of Renaissance [Mugat] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2327.Q1]
Hathlorn 1 (1mt) – In 2326.Q1 commence refit of Renaissance [Saturn] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2327.Q1]
Hathlorn 2 (1mt) – In 2326.Q1 commence refit of Renaissance [Venus] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2327.Q1]
Intazzi Shipyard Berth A (3mt) – Building Ambassador. (ETC 2327.Q3)
Intazzi Shipyard Berth 1 (1mt) – Building Comet. (ETC 2327.Q3)
Intazzi Shipyard Berth 2 (1mt) – Building Comet. (ETC 2327.Q3)
Lei-Hann Shipyard Berth Z (2mt) – Refitting Renaissance [Sitar] to "Envoy" pattern. [ETC 2326.Q3] In 2326.Q3, commence refit of Renaissance [Incorruptible] to Renaissance-A pattern.
Lei-Hann Berth Y (2mt) – Refitting Renaissance [Renewal] to "Envoy" pattern. [ETC 2326.Q3] In 2326.Q3, commence refit of Renaissance [Revival] to Renaissance-A pattern.
Starfleet pays to refit Degbaxix in Orion berth starting 2326.Q2
Starfleet pays to refit Kelanrae in Laian berth starting 2326.Q2
Here's the Spreadsheet for confirmation
Okay, And Since this post is technically complete now.
Should I continue making these plans in the future?
Having a second build plan is really appreciated. I'm personally kind of scared of pulling in so many of our Rennies at the same time, but, on the other hand, it would absolutely help if things escalate next year. So hm. But, while I think more about that,
[CS] [Continue] Yes, but only if you enjoy doing this at all
Having a second build plan is really appreciated. I'm personally kind of scared of pulling in so many of our Rennies at the same time, but, on the other hand, it would absolutely help if things escalate next year. So hm. But, while I think more about that,
[CS] [Continue] Yes, but only if you enjoy doing this at all
Honestly I am conflicted about the second plan that has 17 Rennies in dock at the same time for such a length of time for Refit. but then again the Refit will only take 2 years and anything can happen. So I am going to have to think about it.
[CS] [Continue] Yes, but only if you enjoy doing this at all
@Briefvoice how long will it take for the UP shipyard in Alukk to get set up? And can we add berths to it while it is under construction? because I really want to get as many of our eggs out of the Sol sector and away from the Horizon as possible.
@Briefvoice how long will it take for the UP shipyard in Alukk to get set up? And can we add berths to it while it is under construction? because I really want to get as many of our eggs out of the Sol sector and away from the Horizon as possible.
[X][FED] Briefvoice 2326 Federalize List
[X][RETIRE] Briefvoice 2326 Retire List
[X][BUILD] 2326 Plan A – 2 Ambassadors, 6 Renaissance-A, 12 Refits to Renaissance-A, 6 Refits to Miranda-B, 1 Super-Freighter, and 2 Hospital Ships
[X][BUILD] 2326 Plan CS : 2 Explorer Corps Ambassador's, 6 Renaissance-A's, 17 Refits to Renaissance-A, 2 Kepler's, 6 Refits to Miranda-B, 1 Super-Freighter, and 2 Hospital Ships
I love approval voting. Am a bit nervous about refitting so many RenAs at once, but I do think that we have a year before/if the HoH thing goes hot and RenA is a beast that we would direly need come Vanguard.
Note, from the chatter on Discord there is more to CSs plan than what's in the name, its build to finish Miri-B and RenA refits just before Constellation-B becomes available for example, and it seems to count on us buying a shot of EC crew once before 2328 to crew one extra EC Amby by then if I understand it correctly.
I don't understand it all, Shipyard Ops is not my department, I'm SDB, but it doesn't look any worse than BVs plan at least.
@Briefvoice could you do a critique on the differences when you have the time?
@Commotion$ocks your format is a bit wrong. [] [Build] should be [][BUILD]
[X][FED] Briefvoice 2326 Federalize List
[X][RETIRE] Briefvoice 2326 Retire List
[X][BUILD] 2326 Plan A – 2 Ambassadors, 6 Renaissance-A, 12 Refits to Renaissance-A, 6 Refits to Miranda-B, 1 Super-Freighter, and 2 Hospital Ships
[X][BUILD] 2326 Plan CS : 2 Explorer Corps Ambassador's, 6 Renaissance-A's, 17 Refits to Renaissance-A, 2 Kepler's, 6 Refits to Miranda-B, 1 Super-Freighter, and 2 Hospital Ships
[X][MIB] "Far-seeing Escort" C3 S4 H2 L3 P1 E2 R6 (refit cost 10/10, -1T)
[X][FED] Briefvoice 2326 Federalize List
[X][RETIRE] Briefvoice 2326 Retire List
[X][BUILD] 2326 Plan A – 2 Ambassadors, 6 Renaissance-A, 12 Refits to Renaissance-A, 6 Refits to Miranda-B, 1 Super-Freighter, and 2 Hospital Ships
It's once again time to determine the disposition of the fleet. You'll take your theatre admirals' recommendations, and squeeze them down until they fit the fleet you have, rather than the fleet you wish you had. Of course, you best be sure any assignments you modify won't cause issues, or the Council may find reason to point fingers when things go wrong.
Even with the withdrawal of most Task Forces under the war warning, your theatre commanders are still crying for ships. You won't be able to grant all their requests. Here's what they want:
Coreward Theatre, Vice Admiral Gorac Crogan
I doubt I need to emphasize the nature of the threats in my command, Admiral. This new Counter-Harmony Special Operations Zone is a fine idea, but it will need ships. Explorers, science frigates, and combat cruisers. We can't ignore that Paddah is hanging out there without a border zone. And the Licori mess may need a diplomatic ship. Plus in the event of open warfare, my theatre will be the first to form fleets.
Coreward Sectors Contained: Paddah, Okatha, Rigel, LBZ, HBZ
Coreward Event Generators: 20 (4 in Counter-Harmony Special Operations Zone)
Coreward Event Generation: 33% of all events
Gorac Crogan Requests: 8 explorers, 13 cruisers (1 diplomatic cruiser), 35 frigates (10 Mirandas)
Tailward Theatre, Vice Admiral
[Prepared by Admiral Anyth sh'Nathriq (Promoted to CO, Operations)]
My replacement inherits the quietest theatre in the Federation, but not without its issues. Sol is the most important sector in the Federation, by population, civilian activity, industry, and strategic value. In addition, the three internal sectors are all federalized, so we must rely on Starfleet for spaceborne response. The RBZ and KBZ are relatively quiet, but it only takes one bad year for problems to flare-up again. I recommend we anchor our sector fleets with cruisers, and fill them out with frigates, with a small number of explorers roaming to trouble spots. Special note should be made of the necessity of cloakship detection in both the tailward border zones.
Spinward Theatre, Vice Admiral Syzi ch'Zelil
Our strategy in the theatre remains one of containment. The spinward border is the longest fortified border in the quadrant, stretching from the Gabriel to the Imelak. Even with the Dobetian mutual defense agreement, we cannot discount Cardassian aggression towards other powers, or adventurism in our direction if the Harmony tie up enough materiel. I wish to anchor our border zones with explorers. In addition, as deterrence, the more second-line ships you can spare the better..
Central Theatre, Vice Admiral Kimberly Pragur
Good evening, Admiral. With the addition of the Rimward Border Zone and its rather large, thorny issues, my command's patrol areas now stretch from the ISC's border coreward to the edge of Hishmeri territory in the deep galactic south. In the center are problem sectors, federalized Tellar, Alukk, and now Amarkia with that intelligence about Harmony infiltration. Thankfully all the inhabitants of the SBZ are friendly, or we would have a lot more trouble there. Explorers would help greatly with the long-range deployments coreward and rimward, and there is a lot of space to cover in between with patrol cruisers and first-line frigates.
Central Sectors Contained: Amarkia, Ferasa, Tellar, Alukk, SBZ, Rimward Border Zone (RiBZ)
Central Event Generators: 23
Central Event Generation: 25% of all events
Kimberly Pragur Requests: 5 explorers, 8 cruisers, 16 frigates
Ongoing Task Forces, Admiral Anyth sh'Nathriq
We have three missions outstanding, Admiral. Task Force Alarm is tied up in anti-Harmony diplomacy in Nessic space, while Task Force Welcome was authorized by the Council to continue as the ships are well within our borders. Additionally, Task Force Righteous is still travelling. All these missions are expected to conclude within the year, but for now the ships are unavailable for theatre deployment.
Task Force Righteous: 6 explorers, (1 member explorer, 2 member frigates)
Task Force Welcome: 2 cruisers, 1 frigate (1 Kepler), (1 member frigate)
Task Force Alarm: 1 explorer, (1 member explorer)
Available ships in 2326.Q1:
17 explorers
29 cruisers (3 diplomatic cruisers)
82 frigates (17 Mirandas, 29 Keplers)
(Ships that become available or depart for refit will be automatically added or removed proportionally)
[ ] Plan Name
-[ ][CORE] Assign VAdm Crogan's requests. 8 explorers, 13 cruisers (1 diplomatic cruiser), 35 frigates (10 Mirandas)
--[ ] Write-in additional x Explorers, y Cruisers, z Frigates
-[ ][CORE] Assign less than VAdm Crogan's requests.
--[ ] Write-in x Explorers, y Cruisers, z Frigates.
-[ ][TAIL] Assign Adm sh'Nathriq's requests. 2 Explorers, 8 cruisers, 16 frigates (6 Keplers)
--[ ] Write-in additional x Explorers, y Cruisers, z Frigates
-[ ][TAIL] Assign less than Adm sh'Nathriq's requests.
--[ ] Write-in x Explorers, y Cruisers, z Frigates.
-[ ][SPIN] Assign VAdm ch'Zelil's requests. 4 explorers, 6 cruisers, 20 frigates
--[ ] Write-in additional x Explorers, y Cruisers, z Frigates
-[ ][SPIN] Assign less than VAdm ch'Zelil's requests.
--[ ] Write-in x Explorers, y Cruisers, z Frigates.
-[ ][CENT] Assign VAdm Pragur's requests. 5 explorers, 8 cruisers, 16 frigates
--[ ] Write-in additional x Explorers, y Cruisers, z Frigates
-[ ][CENT] Assign less than VAdm Pragur's requests.
--[ ] Write-in x Explorers, y Cruisers, z Frigates.
-[ ][FDS] Choose up to six FDS tags to work on. For every tag selected, 6P worth of ships from the appropriate theater will be assigned to FDS duty in 2326.Q1, and the tag will gain 1 point of progress at the end of 2326. You may choose less than six tags.
Coreward:
OSA
Blocking Membership -
[Disunified Homeworld [2/3 (FDS)]
Felis
Blocking Alliance -
[Weak Central Government 0/6 (FDS)]
Arcadian Empire
Blocking Affiliation -
[Slavery: 0/4 (FDS)]
Blocking alliance -
[Unequal Feudal Society: 1/8 (FDS)]
Morshadd Commune
Blocking Affiliation -
[The Revolution Does Not Negotiate With Tyrants: 0/3 FDS] (linked tag)
Blocking Alliance -
[Callow Commune: 0/5 (FDS)]
Tailward:
Sotaw
Blocking Alliance -
[Located in the Neutral Zone: 0/6 (FDS)]
Sathuri
Blocking Alliance -
[Disunified Homeworld: 0/6 (FDS)]
Spinward:
Lamarck
Blocking Membership -
[No Unified Government: 0/10 (FDS)]
Bajoran Diaspora
Blocking Alliance -
[Caste System: 0/6 (FDS)]
[Rule by Vedek: 0/10 (FDS)]
Shanpurr
Blocking Membership -
[Interfering with Pre-Warp Societies: 1/9 (FDS)]
Central:
Ittick-Ka
Blocking Affiliation -
[Slaver State: 0/12 (FDS)]
Misek
Blocking Alliance -
[Jumping In Proboscis First 0/2 (FDS)]
Blocking Membership -
[Continuity Conundrum 0/4 (FDS)]
Dawiar*
Blocking Affiliation -
[Sour about Caitian Conflict: [0/1] (FDS)]
Blocking Alliance -
[Feudal Monarchy [1/6] (FDS)]
*Note that the Dawiar, for the moment, still have a [Gorn Alliance: 130/N/A] tag blocking affiliation, but that that may be affected by the outcome and especially duration of the Gorn Succession Crisis.
i say put at least someone on the dawiar one
don`t know how many ship we have to play with at this time but i am pretty sure we can not give everyone what they want.
They are close to membership and on the border with the harmony and i think turning them into a member will strengthen our position there.
Dawiar*
[Sour about Caitian Conflict: [0/1] (FDS)]
A one year mission to improve relations.
Morshadd Commune
[The Revolution Does Not Negotiate With Tyrants: 0/3 FDS] (linked tag)
[Callow Commune: 0/5 (FDS)]
The Morshadd Commune has a very new goverment that is not set in its ways trying to influcence them now instead of later will make keeping them as our ally vs the Harmony easier.
which leaves us 2 Explorers, 6 Cruisers, and 6 Frigates short of being able to fulfill all our demands. So people should probably be thinking about where they can cut those ships from.
Edit: Admitadly this situation is somewhat more problematic with us entering 12 Cruisers and 6 Frigates into refitting. Also that we are getting, scattered over the year, and additional 7 Explorers, 2 Cruisers, and 1 Frigate. So odds are we'll probably have to try and plug the holes in our Cruiser and Frigate requests with Explorers.
-[ ][FDS] Choose up to six FDS tags to work on. For every tag selected, 6P worth of ships from the appropriate theater will be assigned to FDS duty in 2326.Q1, and the tag will gain 1 point of progress at the end of 2326. You may choose less than six tags.
No access to Azi-Nux Succession, Reborn Pact and Akley Consortium?
Can we leave Morshadd Commune alone, they have very limited influence and needed to sort out their own mess and rebuild, even if they try anything Starfleet will bury them.
Felis is hugely important, considering how deep Harmony in it.
Should cut Tailward to 1 Explorers, 5 cruisers and 10 frigates with 3 Keplers, since I highly doubt the Romulans and Klingons would do anything stupid and they still recovering from their war plus for them new foes core and rimwards, 1 Explorers is needed to keep an eye on Sol just in case.
Edit: Admitadly this situation is somewhat more problematic with us entering 12 Cruisers and 6 Frigates into refitting. Also that we are getting, scattered over the year, and additional 7 Explorers, 2 Cruisers, and 1 Frigate. So odds are we'll probably have to try and plug the holes in our Cruiser and Frigate requests with Explorers.
I think cruisers entering refit in Q1 are not included in the available ships as there are in refit the entire year.
All of the refits starting in Q3 will have ships leaving refit at that time and Q4 has 2 the launch of 2 non EC ambassadors.
For a total of 19 Explorers, 35 Cruisers, and 87 frigates.
Meanwhile we have:
which leaves us 2 Explorers, 6 Cruisers, and 6 Frigates short of being able to fulfill all our demands. So people should probably be thinking about where they can cut those ships from.
Edit: Admitadly this situation is somewhat more problematic with us entering 12 Cruisers and 6 Frigates into refitting. Also that we are getting, scattered over the year, and additional 7 Explorers, 2 Cruisers, and 1 Frigate. So odds are we'll probably have to try and plug the holes in our Cruiser and Frigate requests with Explorers.
Starfleet really has grown. I remember the days when Starfleet barely had a handful of Miranda, Soyuz, and Excelsior's to defend the federation. Granted the Federation was way smaller back then but the point stands.
Well, the question is "who gets screwed and how much".
Given the possibility of war with the Harmony, that front needs coverage. Given the possibility of the Cardassians causing trouble during the war, that theater also needs to be fairly strong. However, we can also count on some fairly strong member fleets to hold the line in the Spinward.
So in order of not-screwedness, we should probably go Coreward, Central, Spinward, Tailward. Only Coreward would seem to demand being fully manned.
so my some what plan is this.
3/4/18 for spin,
4/6/14 for center
tail get 2/6/16 (with the 6 keplars)
and then have core have what they ask for !
and then do the diplomatic dawier 0/1 mission and the osa mission too clear those to up.
that should cover most things while we wait for the refit/build time
Ok , this will take a while to fully process. Right off the bat, what jumps out to me is that, well, all frigates are not born even remotely equal, and our cruisers are not any better than C-Bs at event response except for Rennies for C events and E score. So tossing them into one bin seems rather... confusing.
For FDS tags, we could specify for those theaters to get diplomatic cruisers to work on them with I think? Those are Envoys (P13, so two tags, we will have 6 but only in Q3 so they don't count probably?) and Patrol Cruiser-A (P9, 1.5 tags, we have 3). We don't want non-diplo ships to do FDS work except when rounding up the contributed P to a multiple of 6.
For tags, OSA is a must so that they can (with a little luck) join up next year. One diploship needs to be free in that theater for the Licory mess it seems.
Why is it not visible what level those tags are? Do they block affiliation, alliance, what?
Tailward doesn't have any priority FDS tags, Spinwards has the Shanpurr only, Central has two priority with the Misek I think, though Ittick'ka could also use it, and if that 1y Dawiar tag blocks affiliation and the latter one doesnt solving it would also be a good idea.
Wait, 6 FDS tags total only? 3 Envoys alone could do that, no problem. Our 3 Patrol Cruisers-A are 9P away from that. Hopefully that limit rises in the future.
I think that FDS wise we should send 2 Patrol Cruiser-As to Coreward and target 2 of the tags there, the OSA one and either 1 Licory or 1 Commune (will use a Centaur-B to get those +3P I would bet). And 1 Patrol Cruiser-A to Central to target two tags (alongside another C-B probably), I would say both Misek ones. This leaves one two last tags that we could target, but no diplo specialists for it and other ships are probably better used elsewhere. Tags can wait a year until our combined 78P comes online in the form of 6 Envoys in Q3.
For ship deployment, give Corewards all or most of what they want, for sure. Don't skimp too much on Central, Federalization makes estimating how much is needed there difficult, better err on the side of too many. Keep in mind that about half of our cruisers are Rennies, which are combat specialists.
Edit: Answered on Discord. The expected % of the quarters total events. So if every one of our ships and events were identical, we would want to send 33% of our fleet to the Coreward theater.
Also, some useful numbers:
17 explorers available, 19 desired.
26 non diplomatic cruisers, 34 desired.
79 frigates (19 Mirandas, 28 Keplers, assuming 2 two used for FDS tags), 87 desired.
Well not sure I'll get the chance today but I'd feel a lot more secure making a plan in this system, it seems fairly easy to understand, which is good.
As to who gets screwed over, well, someone was always going to. Today though, it can't be the Harmony border. They need complete fill for their slots for sure. From there, I'm less sure, but at least the shortfall isn't too large.
