Remove ads

To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

Linked contents
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) Starfleet Ship Design Bureau, Refit ("To Boldly Go...")
Reader mode
That's it. We've finally managed to work the Centaur-A out of the system. Took a bit but we did.

Now we just have to spend the next decade refitting Mirandas.
 
[X][MIB] "Combative Escort" C4 S3 H2 L3 P1 E2 R6 (refit cost 10/10)

[X][FED] Briefvoice 2326 Federalize List
  • 1 Vulcan Oberth [Selek]

[X][RETIRE] Briefvoice 2326 Retire List
  • Mothball 5 Oberths [Selek, Torbriel, Inspire, Hawking, T'Mir]
  • Mothball 2 Miranda-A [Degbaxis, Kelanrae]
    • Note this is as per the 2325 MWCD vote. The Degbaxix will be refit to a Miranda-B pattern and be sent to the Orions; the Kelanrae will be refit to a Miranda-B pattern and sent to the Laio.

Build Time Reductions
  • All new builds benefit from "Arsenal of Liberty" technology that reduces construction times by 1qt. This will be calculated in and not otherwise noted.

[X][BUILD] 2326 Plan A – 2 Ambassadors, 6 Renaissance-A, 12 Refits to Renaissance-A, 6 Refits to Miranda-B, 1 Super-Freighter, and 2 Hospital Ships

Sol System Berths (May utilize Heavy Industrial Park)
  • SF Berth A (3mt) – Building Ambassador. (ETC 2327.Q3)
  • SF Berth 1 (1mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
  • SF Berth 2 (1mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)

  • Luna Berth A (3.1mt) – Building Ambassador. (ETC 2326.Q4) Leave empty in Q4..
  • Luna Berth B (3.1mt) – Refitting Renaissance [Enlightenment (B)] to "Envoy" pattern (ETC 2326.Q3). In 2326.Q3, commence refit of Miranda-A [Dryad (B)] to Miranda-B pattern (ETC 2327.Q3).
  • Luna Berth 1 (1mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
  • Luna Berth 2 (1mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)

  • UP Berth A (3mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
  • UP Berth B (3mt) – In 2326.Q3 commence Ambassador using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2330.Q1)
  • UP Berth C (3mt) – Building Ambassador using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2329.Q1)
  • UP Berth D (3mt) – Building Ambassador using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2329.Q1)
  • UP Berth E (3mt) – In 2326.Q3 commence Ambassador using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2330.Q1)
  • UP Berth F (3mt) – In 2326.Q1 commence refit of Renaissance [Justice (B)] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2327.Q1]

  • UP Berth Z (2mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
  • UP Berth Y (2mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
  • UP Berth X (2mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)

  • UP Berth 1 (1mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
  • UP Berth 2 (1mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
  • UP Berth 3 (1mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
  • UP Berth 4 (1mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
  • UP Berth 5 (1mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)
  • UP Berth 6 (1mt) – Building Comet using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2327.Q1)

Other Shipyards
  • Green Hook 1 (1mt) – In 2326.Q1, commence Renaissance-A. (ETC 2329.Q1)
  • Green Hook 2 (1mt) – In 2326.Q1, commence Renaissance-A. (ETC 2329.Q1)
  • Green Hook 3 (1mt) – In 2326.Q1, commence Renaissance-A. (ETC 2329.Q1)

  • Oreasa Starfleet Berth 1 (1mt) – Building Comet. (ETC 2327.Q3)
  • Oreasa Starfleet Berth 2 (1mt) – Building Comet. (ETC 2327.Q3)

  • Rixx Loxhanada Berth 1 (1mt) – In 2326.Q1 commence Hospital ship. [ETC 2329.Q1]
  • Rixx Loxhanada Berth 2 (1mt) – In 2326.Q2, commence refit of Miranda-A [Agile (B)] to Miranda-B pattern. [ETC 2327.Q2]
  • Rixx Loxhanada 400kt Berth 1 - Begin 2 year cargo build in 2326.Q1
  • Rixx Loxhanada 400kt Berth 2 - Begin 2 year cargo build in 2326.Q1

  • 40 Eridani Berth A (3mt) – Building formerly-Tellarite Ambassador (ETC 2326.Q3) In 2326.Q3, commence refit of Miranda-A [Shield] to Miranda-B pattern.
  • 40 Eridani Berth B (3mt) – Building Ambassador. (ETC 2327.Q3)
  • 40 Eridani Berth 1 (1mt) – Building Comet. (ETC 2327.Q3)
  • 40 Eridani Berth 2 (1mt) – Building Comet. (ETC 2327.Q3)

  • Chelok-An Berth 1 (1mt) – Refitting Renaissance [Chalice] to "Envoy" pattern. [ETC 2326.Q3] In 2326.Q3, commence refit of Miranda-A [Intrepid] to Miranda-B pattern.
  • Chelok-An Berth 2 (1mt) – Refitting Renaissance [Reformation] to "Envoy" pattern. [ETC 2326.Q3] In 2326.Q3, commence refit of Miranda-A [Eketha] to Miranda-B pattern.

  • Solitude Berth 1 (.5mt) – Building "cargo ship" (2yr, 4 pts). [ETC 2327.Q1]

  • Hanath Berth 1 (1mt) – In 2326.Q1, commence Renaissance-A. [ETC 2329.Q1]
  • Hanath Berth 2 (1mt) – Refitting Renaissance [Zh'Mai] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2326.Q3] In 2326.Q3, commence refitting Miranda-A [Lion] to Miranda-B pattern. [ETC 2327.Q3]

  • Ana Font Berth A (2.5mt) – In 2326.Q1 commence "Super-freighter" (16 cargo points, 4yr build). [ETC 2330.Q1]
  • Ana Font Berth 1 (1mt) – In 2326.Q1, commence Renaissance-A. [ETC 2329.Q1]
  • Ana Font Berth 2 (1mt) – In 2326.Q1, commence Renaissance-A. [ETC 2329.Q1]

  • Xurch Melloch 1 (1mt) – In 2326.Q1 commence refit of Renaissance [Suffrage (B)] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2327.Q1]
  • Xurch Melloch 2 (1mt) – In 2326.Q1 commence refit of Renaissance [Emancipation (B)] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2327.Q1]
  • Xurch Melloch 3 (1mt) – In 2326.Q1 commence refit of Renaissance [Insight (B)] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2327.Q1]

  • Grand Duk 1 (1mt) – Refitting of Renaissance [Epiphany] to "Envoy" pattern. [ETC 2326.Q3] In 2326.Q3, commence refit of Renaissance [Reason] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2327.Q3]
  • Grand Duk 2 (1mt) – In 2326.Q1 commence refit of Renaissance [Thelasa-vei] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2327.Q1]

  • LOCF Berth A (2.5mt) – Refitting Renaissance [Phinda] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2326.Q3] In 2326.Q3, commence refit of Renaissance [Kir'shara] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2327.Q3]
  • LOCF Berth 1 (1mt) – Refitting Renaissance [Concord] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2326.Q3]. In 2326.Q3, commence Hospital ship. [ETC 2329.Q3]

  • Andor Orbital A (3mt) – Building Ambassador. (ETC 2326.Q4) In 2326.Q4, leave empty.
  • Andor Orbital 1 (1mt) – Building Renaissance-A. [ETC 2328.Q3]
  • Andor Orbital 2 (1mt) – Building Renaissance-A. [ETC 2328.Q3]
  • Andor Orbital 3 (1mt) – In 2326.Q1 commence refit of Renaissance [Mugat] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2327.Q1]

  • Hathlorn 1 (1mt) – In 2326.Q1 commence refit of Renaissance [Saturn] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2327.Q1]
  • Hathlorn 2 (1mt) – In 2326.Q1 commence refit of Renaissance [Venus] to Renaissance-A pattern. [ETC 2327.Q1]

  • Intazzi Shipyard Berth A (3mt) – Building Ambassador. (ETC 2327.Q3)
  • Intazzi Shipyard Berth 1 (1mt) – Building Comet. (ETC 2327.Q3)
  • Intazzi Shipyard Berth 2 (1mt) – Building Comet. (ETC 2327.Q3)

  • Lei-Hann Shipyard Berth Z (2mt) – Refitting Renaissance [Sitar] to "Envoy" pattern. [ETC 2326.Q3] In 2326.Q3, commence refit of Renaissance [Incorruptible] to Renaissance-A pattern.
  • Lei-Hann Berth Y (2mt) – Refitting Renaissance [Renewal] to "Envoy" pattern. [ETC 2326.Q3] In 2326.Q3, commence refit of Renaissance [Revival] to Renaissance-A pattern.

  • Starfleet pays to refit Degbaxix in Orion berth starting 2326.Q2
  • Starfleet pays to refit Kelanrae in Laian berth starting 2326.Q2


I can make an alternate build plan if someone is seriously unhappy with this one.

 
Last edited:
[X][MIB] "Combative Escort" C4 S3 H2 L3 P1 E2 R6 (refit cost 10/10)
[X][FED] Briefvoice 2326 Federalize List
[X][RETIRE] Briefvoice 2326 Retire List
[X][BUILD] 2326 Plan A – 2 Ambassadors, 6 Renaissance-A, 12 Refits to Renaissance-A, 6 Refits to Miranda-B, 1 Super-Freighter, and 2 Hospital Ships
 
Last edited:
Jenny said:
Ships Commissioned:
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Update time!
Jenny said:
USS Bloaghm, Ambassador-class Heavy Explorer (NCC-3909)
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
A very Tellarite sounding name.
Jenny said:
C8 S8 H7 L8 P7 E12 R11
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Oh boy this is not going to be an easy update to do for the wiki. I think @SynchronizedWritersBlock might be the only one who knows how to update the templates.
Jenny said:
CSS Arsharra N'Gir (Arsharra N'Gir, NX-4501)
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
It's finally done! It's done at last! Over a decade since the ANG was started they've completed it! Remember when the Konen got our sensors from this ship?
Jenny said:
Arcadian Empire - [Obscured]
Licori Nobles - [Obscured]
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Hm, no showing for the Commune as of yet, interesting.

[X][MIB] "Combative Escort" C4 S3 H2 L3 P1 E2 R6 (refit cost 10/10)
[X][FED] Briefvoice 2326 Federalize List
[X][RETIRE] Briefvoice 2326 Retire List
[X][BUILD] 2326 Plan A – 2 Ambassadors, 6 Renaissance-A, 12 Refits to Renaissance-A, 6 Refits to Miranda-B, 1 Super-Freighter, and 2 Hospital Ships

I'll put my trust in BV for the build plan as always. For the Miranda-B, I think the "combative escort" profile has the balance of escort capability and vanguard capability that we need. We can pull them out from Heavy Metal (or at least some of them) but we do need C-score in vanguard.
 
[X][MIB] "Combative Escort" C4 S3 H2 L3 P1 E2 R6 (refit cost 10/10)
[X][FED] Briefvoice 2326 Federalize List
[X][RETIRE] Briefvoice 2326 Retire List
[X][BUILD] 2326 Plan A – 2 Ambassadors, 6 Renaissance-A, 12 Refits to Renaissance-A, 6 Refits to Miranda-B, 1 Super-Freighter, and 2 Hospital Ships

If we have a Technician shortage, I think we can also work with the "Far-seeing Escort" C3 S4 H2 L3 P1 E2 R6 (refit cost 10/10, -1T)
I don't like the S2 designs, sorry. I figure they need half way decent sensors to do the job.
 
[X][MIB] "Combative Escort" C4 S3 H2 L3 P1 E2 R6 (refit cost 10/10)
[X][FED] Briefvoice 2326 Federalize List
[X][RETIRE] Briefvoice 2326 Retire List
[X][BUILD] 2326 Plan A – 2 Ambassadors, 6 Renaissance-A, 12 Refits to Renaissance-A, 6 Refits to Miranda-B, 1 Super-Freighter, and 2 Hospital Ships
 
We finally made it to 2326! 🥳

I think I prefer more sensors, though I am happy to be outvoted for the C4 opt. And as always, many thanks to Briefvoice for working out the build plans!

[X][MIB] "Far-seeing Escort" C3 S4 H2 L3 P1 E2 R6 (refit cost 10/10, -1T)
[X][FED] Briefvoice 2326 Federalize List
[X][RETIRE] Briefvoice 2326 Retire List
[X][BUILD] 2326 Plan A – 2 Ambassadors, 6 Renaissance-A, 12 Refits to Renaissance-A, 6 Refits to Miranda-B, 1 Super-Freighter, and 2 Hospital Ships
 
Briefvoice said:
5 Oberths [Selek, Torbriel, Inspire, Hawking, T'Mir]
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

I remember I used to have arguments against retiring T'Mir specifically. IIRC since it was a Veteran ship it had stats equivalent to a Centaur-B but with a much higher S score and slanted crew requirements. But with the stat changes it's not quite there anymore, and I'd have to look up my old arguments to argue about it again now. I can't say I feel like that's worth it anymore. Sigh.

Anyways, I know the remaining to-be-Federalized ships might not be much worth adding to the fleet, but if we're force-retiring ships why just the one Oberth specifically? There are other frigates with crew that we could easily pitch if we need to. The 7 Bird-of-Paradise-As are barely better than Miranda-As and can't be refit like the Mirandas can. If we're short on crew why not do this to more ships than just the one remaining non-Starfleet Oberth?
 
Last edited:
I thought we were keeping the Birds of Paradise for use by the FDS. Even giving them the new name and spiffy paint jobs.
 
Derpmind said:
Anyways, I know the remaining to-be-Federalized ships might not be much worth adding to the fleet, but if we're force-retiring ships why just the one Oberth specifically? There are other frigates with crew that we could easily pitch if we need to. The 7 Bird-of-Paradise-As are barely better than Miranda-As and can't be refit like the Mirandas can. If we're short on crew why not do this to more ships than just the one remaining non-Starfleet Oberth?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Gingganz said:
I don't understand. Why are we federalizing an Oberth, while we are at the same time retiring Oberths?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

It's kind of a clean sweep thing honestly. If in universe we're saying "It's time to retire the Oberths" (and it is) then might as well just go ahead and hit them all at once. It is a dead class of ship. Even our poorest members and affiliates aren't trying to build them.

I do think there's an idea to send the Birds of Paradise to the FDS to work their dark Betazoid magic there, and you notice they're still being actually built. In face, in theory the Paradise Birds could be refitted... they have official designs and parts lists.
 
[X][MIB] "Combative Escort" C4 S3 H2 L3 P1 E2 R6 (refit cost 10/10)
[X][FED] Briefvoice 2326 Federalize List
[X][RETIRE] Briefvoice 2326 Retire List
[X][BUILD] 2326 Plan A – 2 Ambassadors, 6 Renaissance-A, 12 Refits to Renaissance-A, 6 Refits to Miranda-B, 1 Super-Freighter, and 2 Hospital Ships
 
Briefvoice said:
In face, in theory the Paradise Birds could be refitted... they have official designs and parts lists.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

It's almost possible to model the Oberths in the new system, so if we really wanted to it's not impossible to make a refit for them. :V
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Extras:

Oberth

Nice. Can slash BR a bit with a different (and closer to actual year) platform:

Not possible to get anything near the original's cost balance or parts year, but we can pretend there was some weird BR for SR swap if we have to.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
 
I decided to vote for:

[ ][MIB] "Combative Escort" C4 S3 H2 L3 P1 E2 R6 (refit cost 10/10)

Seems like the best combo of Combat, Science and Speed. I can't really in good conscience vote for an S2 Federation ship.
 
For anyone interested, BV has been playing with the next couple of years of ship building. Highly subject to change, but expect the last Miranda-A to go into dock for refit somewhere around 2328Q4 and the last Rennie to go into dock for refit in 2327Q3 (tentatively flagged as an Envoy refit).

Also probably see a couple of Sol's 3MT berths left empty for a few years - can be used for repairs, but mainly because we need more crew! ((Current predictions are for 8O 2E 7T spare crew in late 2327 … seriously, ships surviving but with high casualty figures will ruin any build plans - if we take losses, we need to keep the crew but lose the ship! ))
 
Briefvoice said:
I do think there's an idea to send the Birds of Paradise to the FDS to work their dark Betazoid magic there, and you notice they're still being actually built. In face, in theory the Paradise Birds could be refitted... they have official designs and parts lists.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
The people who are building the Bird of Paradise are the ones operating under extreme constraints of limited construction infrastructure (they're small) and technology (e.g. the Laio, who were at least a generation or two behind the times not long ago). They're kind of... iffy.

But just as the Oberths frankly make sense as civilian research vessels, the Birds of Paradise make sense as diplomatic courier ships in secure space.
 
[X][MIB] "Combative Escort" C4 S3 H2 L3 P1 E2 R6 (refit cost 10/10)
[X][FED] Briefvoice 2326 Federalize List
[X][RETIRE] Briefvoice 2326 Retire List
[X][BUILD] 2326 Plan A – 2 Ambassadors, 6 Renaissance-A, 12 Refits to Renaissance-A, 6 Refits to Miranda-B, 1 Super-Freighter, and 2 Hospital Ships
 
Goat said:
For anyone interested, BV has been playing with the next couple of years of ship building. Highly subject to change, but expect the last Miranda-A to go into dock for refit somewhere around 2328Q4 and the last Rennie to go into dock for refit in 2327Q3 (tentatively flagged as an Envoy refit).

Also probably see a couple of Sol's 3MT berths left empty for a few years - can be used for repairs, but mainly because we need more crew! ((Current predictions are for 8O 2E 7T spare crew in late 2327 … seriously, ships surviving but with high casualty figures will ruin any build plans - if we take losses, we need to keep the crew but lose the ship! ))
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Does it make sense to start scrapping Mirandas to crew Comets? Or do we want to look into a new general light 1/1/1 crew escort frigate for when it is time to scrap the Miranda's?
 
Thanks @Briefvoice for the hard work on working up a build list.

My only comment is that we are adding (in new builds only) a lot more cargo points than are required to support the new shipping. But I'm sure cp have more uses than just ship supply and I can't work out anything better to do with the berth.

[X][MIB] "Far-seeing Escort" C3 S4 H2 L3 P1 E2 R6 (refit cost 10/10, -1T)
[X][FED] Briefvoice 2326 Federalize List
[X][RETIRE] Briefvoice 2326 Retire List
[X][BUILD] 2326 Plan A – 2 Ambassadors, 6 Renaissance-A, 12 Refits to Renaissance-A, 6 Refits to Miranda-B, 1 Super-Freighter, and 2 Hospital Ships
 
Last edited:
[X][MIB] "Far-seeing Escort" C3 S4 H2 L3 P1 E2 R6 (refit cost 10/10, -1T)
[X][FED] Briefvoice 2326 Federalize List
[X][RETIRE] Briefvoice 2326 Retire List
[X][BUILD] 2326 Plan A – 2 Ambassadors, 6 Renaissance-A, 12 Refits to Renaissance-A, 6 Refits to Miranda-B, 1 Super-Freighter, and 2 Hospital Ships
 
Last edited:
Simon_Jester said:
Can we even manage such a lean-manned ship?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
As a small frigate, yes.
Not practical for us to design until 2328 on, really, with Isolinear computers which reduce crew count. Not sure it's a great use of our berth time, but it's possible.

Other thing to realise is that a brand new medium to large frigate design ordered in the upcoming Snakepit will have the prototype finish in 2330 or so.

[X][MIB] "Far-seeing Escort" C3 S4 H2 L3 P1 E2 R6 (refit cost 10/10, -1T)
[X][FED] Briefvoice 2326 Federalize List
[X][RETIRE] Briefvoice 2326 Retire List
[X][BUILD] 2326 Plan A – 2 Ambassadors, 6 Renaissance-A, 12 Refits to Renaissance-A, 6 Refits to Miranda-B, 1 Super-Freighter, and 2 Hospital Ships

I like the crew-saving. I can design some nifty generalist frigates at O2 E2 T3 tech.
 
Last edited:
Alliterate said:
As a small frigate, yes.
Not practical for us to design until 2328 on, really, with Isolinear computers which reduce crew count. Not sure it's a great use of our berth time, but it's possible.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Isolinear computers are a big deal. They are worth the effort we put in, and there is a reason they are what we are stalling our explorer refits for. We can get some good bonuses out of them, or use them to automate for crew savings that help with small and lean ships.
 
Reader mode
You must login or register to reply here.
Remove ads
Back
Top