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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

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Redhead222 said:
so what if anything do we have too round of before we get to the next year?

damm just looked at when this "year" started.

juli the 6 till now jeez, halve a year on one year of story telling
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blame the ongoing Horizon plot line and the fact that I think some of us were getting burned out on dealing with the Horizon and just wanting to get back to good old exploration log stuff but now we have to deal with the Horizon and a possible war with them. We have already had several people leave for various reasons IRL like Ibmaian and his OCD issues.
 
sad too hear about the RL stuff hope that gets better for all those it relates too.
in game stuff however, kind of happy some of that it at least somewhat resolved (up to a point)

not sure about full on war but i suspect a lot of tense meeting and lots of security and spy work going on in the back ground

oh speaking of i know we have someone on the spy/intel side of things (can not for the live of me remember who that was again)
but who is the go too person for security or is that under some one else there hat?
 
Nervos Belli said:
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It might have worked as a wake up call, but we have other things to use for that. The Tauni incursion was similarly awful, and was also far more recent. People are more likely to be outraged at something that happened in the past few decades than something that happened centuries ago.

We know how the Padani killed Singers. Zarael told us. They detonated a torpedo in the computer core when they detected malicious code. It's about as useful as EPS venting during the biophage.
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I dunno. It sounds like the 2220-era Padani were a step ahead of us in this game, because hey, at least they spotted the malicious code.

Whereas as far as I can tell, we didn't even see it coming.

So yeah, minus fifty points for overreacting to the threat (arguably), but plus several hundred for at least detecting the threat!

charysa said:
Eh, instead of dumping a bunch of names down on us, I would rather the captains of all those keplers kept as unknown until they start appearing in the logs.
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This is a good idea.
 
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Anime_Fan35 said:
blame the ongoing Horizon plot line and the fact that I think some of us were getting burned out on dealing with the Horizon and just wanting to get back to good old exploration log stuff
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That's true.

Thank Christ Zara Quest happened and finally got the freaking plot moving forwards for a change. That it did so as a Star Trek style exploration-based narrative was absolutely the right decision.
 
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Anime_Fan35 said:
blame the ongoing Horizon plot line and the fact that I think some of us were getting burned out on dealing with the Horizon and just wanting to get back to good old exploration log stuff but now we have to deal with the Horizon and a possible war with them. We have already had several people leave for various reasons IRL like Ibmaian and his OCD issues.
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Tbf I don't mind the HoH being a long-term rival/opponent they're pretty interesting as a dark Federation counterpart. That we kept missing the checks repeatedly to clue us into their assault vector was the annoying part.

Simon_Jester said:
I dunno. It sounds like the 2220-era Padani were a step ahead of us in this game, because hey, at least they spotted the malicious code.

Whereas as far as I can tell, we didn't even see it coming.
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Tbf uploaded personalities with a god complex hijacking our systems isn't what one normally expects.
 
Theunderbolt said:
Tbf uploaded personalities with a god complex hijacking our systems isn't what one normally expects.
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Padani may have had a better shot at detecting that kind of thing on the basis that I can only assume they only barely avoided death to Padani!Skynet, and so knew what a hostile computer-bound intelligence would look like.
 
Simon_Jester said:
Yes, but the Padani weren't specifically expecting it either. They still spotted the problem and kicked its ethereal-cybernetic ass, albeit at cost. And I'd still like to know as many specifics as possible about how they did it.
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Raw90 said:
Padani may have had a better shot at detecting that kind of thing on the basis that I can only assume they only barely avoided death to Padani!Skynet, and so knew what a hostile computer-bound intelligence would look like.
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CSF Liason to Starfleet

"Our computer architecture is designed so that all computation can be monitored by an entirely separate dedicated monitoring system that observes the processors via indirect energy release, and then displays in real-time all of the instructions being processed in a special Padani-readable code format. It requires a fair amount of training to become literate in that format, but our more capable computer security experts like to claim that they no longer see the code, instead perceiving the information structure directly.

"All of our critical network hubs have extensive monitoring stations, which are equipped with extremely aggressive intrusion countermeasures, to prevent systemic subversion."
 
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Okay, the point is that I would still like to pick their brains as to how they secure computer networks. :p

Also that I would really like to know what the Singers thought of Padani security systems, and other things, in detail, because it tells us what they don't want to see and I want them to be unhappy and uncomfortable that way.
 
Hmm. A question, as I write an omake.

Have we ever seen ANY indication that a Singer could ever intrude upon a person's mind if they don't already have some kind of cyberware to assist in the doing?

Like, I'm not asking "could they do it undetectably" or "would it take anything less than their maximum effort" or "do they normally do this." I'm asking "do we have reason to think they could even TRY to possess or mentally influence a sapient being who was standing right next to the computer core they occupied, if it was really important to them to do so?"
 
Simon_Jester said:
Hmm. A question, as I write an omake.

Have we ever seen ANY indication that a Singer could ever intrude upon a person's mind if they don't already have some kind of cyberware to assist in the doing?

Like, I'm not asking "could they do it undetectably" or "would it take anything less than their maximum effort" or "do they normally do this." I'm asking "do we have reason to think they could even TRY to possess or mentally influence a sapient being who was standing right next to the computer core they occupied, if it was really important to them to do so?"
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No they can't. For all their god terminology, they use cyberware and technology. They have no means of interfacing with a brain without at least some form of cyberware mediation, though apparently they're very skilled at hijacking cyberware meant for other purposes.
 
Briefvoice said:
No they can't. For all their god terminology, they use cyberware and technology. They have no means of interfacing with a brain without at least some form of cyberware mediation, though apparently they're very skilled at hijacking cyberware meant for other purposes.
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I'm actually a bit saddened by this at the moment because I was rather fond of the scene that posited the assumption that they have enough actual telepathic ability to at least try.
 
Godwinson said:
CSF Liason to Starfleet

"Our computer architecture is designed so that all computation can be monitored by an entirely separate dedicated monitoring system that observes the processors via indirect energy release, and then displays in real-time all of the instructions being processed in a special Padani-readable code format. It requires a fair amount of training to become literate in that format, but our more capable computer security experts like to claim that they no longer see the code, instead perceiving the information structure directly.

"All of our critical network hubs have extensive monitoring stations, which are equipped with extremely aggressive intrusion countermeasures, to prevent systemic subversion."
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That sounds especially vulnerable to a basilisk attack. Doubtless there must be measures you aren't telling us to prevent this eventuality.
 
Huh, so how would the Horizon deal with a hostile actual AI? Those things are incredibly difficult to destroy, and they would react... badly to attempts at messing with their code to convert them to the cause. Heck, I can see a overzealous Singer trying that and making an originally peaceful AI go full 'All organic life must be eliminated. The soul's fire extinguished.' and counting the Singers since they're just uploads of organics.
 
Nervos Belli said:
Would you really expect them to share such critical information on such an insecure platform? There could be any number of Horizon agents reading this thread right now!
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*Random Starfleet Captain.* To any and all Horizon agents. Fuck off we're on to your tricks. You won't succeed with your mind control plot now that we are warned of it and can compensate.
 
Briefvoice said:
(transmission cuts)

Random Starfleet Captain: Did I do that one right, master?

Singer: Yeeeees my little mute slave, you did well.
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*Random Starfleet intelligence agent.* And that's another one we have Identified. They really are not very good at this are they? I am actually amazed that they got as far as they did simply because we dropped the ball as bad as we did.
 
Leslie:

"The hallmark of the truly effective man, the one who wants the enemy to be sorry he ever lived, while still holding to the Way of the Redshirt, is that he doesn't grandstand. No big speeches about how great he is, no fanciness. He keeps his lip buttoned until it's time to cackle crazily while pushing the button that triggers the demolition charges from the other side of the mountain and bring down the whole mess."
 
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Theunderbolt said:
Tbf uploaded personalities with a god complex hijacking our systems isn't what one normally expects.
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True, when the Federation runs into anomalous behaviors and unusual data flows its usually:
-A higher dimensional entity halping.
-A science team doing their best to solve a problem without any time to ask for permission first.
-Time travelers intervening to save the day.
Templates like that are forbidden

If anything, the Federation is too used to benign network interference. I suspect a lot of our analysts just shrug it off as routine because its Q Time Of Year Again.
Simon_Jester said:
Okay, the point is that I would still like to pick their brains as to how they secure computer networks. :p

Also that I would really like to know what the Singers thought of Padani security systems, and other things, in detail, because it tells us what they don't want to see and I want them to be unhappy and uncomfortable that way.
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Speaking as someone in IT, its not complicated. The main barrier is how much inconvenience your users are able to tolerate in the course of routine activities.

And the thing about the Padani is that they're paranoid enough that they have basically no upper limit to the number of authentications and quintuple-inspections over the same process that they would tolerate, while a a Starfleet Explorer for instance, has computer systems designed to be used improperly to generate exotic physics effects with nothing slowing down the engineer in question but the trust of his peers.
 
Regarding computer security, in the current world, it is a trade off between security and usability. It is possible to lock a machine down so tightly that practically nothing untoward can happen - but it will effectively unusable as well.

Now how well that matches through into Star Trek ... I don't know. It is several generations of base technology further advanced, built by dozens of species that should think differently to Humans, with threat vectors and solutions that we have never thought of covered as a matter of course.
 
veekie said:
And the thing about the Padani is that they're paranoid enough that they have basically no upper limit to the number of authentications and quintuple-inspections over the same process that they would tolerate, while a a Starfleet Explorer for instance, has computer systems designed to be used improperly to generate exotic physics effects with nothing slowing down the engineer in question but the trust of his peers.
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It seems like the "trekkiest" way to fix this would be to make computer state/load/characteristics more legible, for instance by adding mechanical auditory feedback to the consoles, for example by hijacking the power lines. Similar to how Scotty could diagnose warp core problems by ear.
 
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