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Adhoc vote count started by Derpmind on Jan 3, 2019 at 9:43 AM, finished with 179 posts and 49 votes.
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Glassware said:
Something is weird with the tally-it counts me as voting for the inquisition plan but I only voted for Cheap and Dangerous and Federation.
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Briefvoice said:
Same with me.
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Anime_Fan35 said:
I also only voted for Cheap and Dangerous and Federation just recently when I changed my vote yet I am voting for Inquisition as well.
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Same.

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Yeah that looks correct for my vote now.
 
May or may not be accurate.
Adhoc vote count started by Oshha on Jan 3, 2019 at 11:30 AM, finished with 184 posts and 50 votes.
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So this is our apparent winner then:
[X] Plan Cheap and Dangerous and Federation
[25kq] -Full details of planned operations in Felis space.
[15kq] -Full details of Harmony infiltration of Licori space.
[15kq] -Full details of Harmony infiltration in Amarki space.
[05kq] -Full records of the Harmony's actions in regards to their intervention on Kelowna.
[05kq] -Full details of Harmony infiltration of Laian space.
[05kq] -Current Harmony Military deployments.
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2324 - EOY
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    • End of Year Report Card - 2324
    Starting Resources
    2855 Bulk Resources
    1865 Special Resources
    593 Political Will
    743.5 Research Points

    Starting Personnel Pool
    Standard Starfleet: 54.8 Officer, 92.87 Enlisted, 90.83 Technician
    Explorer Corps: 37.16 Officer, 33.55 Enlisted, 27.57 Technician

    Spent During the Year
    Expenditure
    1300 Bulk Resources
    1140 Special Resources
    682 Political Will
    478 Research Points

    Casualties
    Standard Starfleet: 0 Officer, 0 Enlisted, 0 Technician
    Explorer Corps: 0 Officer, 0 Enlisted, 0 Technician

    Career Casualties
    Standard Starfleet: 60 Officer, 70 Enlisted, 62 Technician
    Explorer Corps: 15 Officer, 20 Enlisted, 19 Technician

    Total Starfleet Ship Losses
    5 Excelsior, 1 Renaissance, 2 Constitution, 2 Constellation, 2 Centaur, 5 Miranda (1 Miranda presumed lost but later recovered), 1 Oberth, 1 Hospital Ship, 1 Prospector, 3 Cargo Ship, 2 Runabouts

    Total Other Allied Non-Auxiliary Ship Losses in Starfleet-led operations and incidents
    1 Miranda, 3 Orah, 3 Stinger, 1 Patroller-A

    Gained During the Year

    Political Rewards

    Laio Ratification 25pp 10rp
    -

    Ships Lost
    USS Serendipity, Prospector, NCC-634

    Ships Damaged
    USS Odyssey, Excelsior-A, NCC-2013

    Ships Scrapped
    Constitution-B class all removed from Starfleet service

    Ships Laid Down
    Kepler, NCC-4125
    Kepler, NCC-4126
    Kepler, NCC-4127
    Kepler, NCC-4128
    Kepler, NCC-4129
    Kepler, NCC-4130
    Kepler, NCC-4131
    Kepler, NCC-4132
    Kepler, NCC-4133
    Kepler, NCC-4134
    Kepler, NCC-4135
    Kepler, NCC-4136

    Refit - USS Lightning, Centaur-B, NCC-2105
    Refit - USS Nairobi, Centaur-B, NCC-2110
    Refit - USS Typhoon, Centaur-B, NCC-2124

    Engineering Ship, NCC-853
    Engineering Ship, NCC-854
    Cargo Ship, NCC-3743
    Cargo Ship, NCC-3744 (Rigel)
    Cargo Ship, NCC-3745 (Indoria)

    Super-Freighter, NCC-3632
    Prospector, NCC-643
    Prospector, NCC-644
    Passenger Ship, NCC-5203
    Cargo Ship, NCC-3746

    56-76-87
    Ships Crewed
    USS Friendship, Ambassador-class,NCC-3903 - EC
    USS Kumari, Ambassador-class,NCC-3904 - EC
    USS Huáscar, Ambassador-class,NCC-3905 - EC
    USS Sappho, Ambassador-class,NCC-3906 - EC
    USS Curiosity, Ambassador-class,NCC-3907 - EC
    USS Polaris, Ambassador-class,NCC-3908

    Kepler, NCC-4114
    Kepler, NCC-4115
    Kepler, NCC-4116
    USS Axema , Kepler, NCC-4119
    USS Wivinay, Kepler, NCC-4120
    USS Imazzrriazz, Kepler, NCC-4121
    USS Uram-Komnol, Kepler, NCC-4122
    USS Shh'hra, Kepler, NCC-4123

    Kepler, NCC-4125
    Kepler, NCC-4126
    Kepler, NCC-4127
    Kepler, NCC-4128
    Kepler, NCC-4129
    Kepler, NCC-4130
    Kepler, NCC-4131
    Kepler, NCC-4132

    USS Comet, Comet, NX-5101

    Federalized Under Construction:
    Excelsior-A, NCC-2032
    Excelsior-A, NCC-2033
    Centaur-B, NCC-2149
    Constellation-A, NCC-1829

    Ship Commissioned
    USS Luther, Renaissance-class cruiser, NCC-2636

    USS Hypatia, Kepler-class science frigate, NCC-4102
    USS Lyflam, Kepler-class science frigate, NCC-4103
    USS Sanvor, Kepler-class science frigate, NCC-4104
    USS Aullare, Kepler-class science frigate, NCC-4105
    USS Edrondu, Kepler-class science frigate, NCC-4106
    USS Tolvamoc, Kepler-class science frigate, NCC-4107
    USS Caerliss, Kepler-class science frigate, NCC-4108

    USS Nolaeis, Kepler-class science frigate, NCC-4110
    USS fom Gaalv, Kepler-class science frigate, NCC-4109

    Refit - USS Cloudburst, Centaur-B, NCC-2125

    USS Shelter, Comfort-class hospital ship, NCC-3506
    Super-Freighter, NCC-3621
    Cargo Ship, NCC-3734
    Cargo Ship, NCC-3735
    Cargo Ship, NCC-3736
    Cargo Ship, NCC-3737
    Cargo Ship, NCC-3738 (Orion)
    Cargo Ship, NCC-3739 (Orion)

    Ships Federalised
    UES Liberty, Excelsior-A, NCC-2017
    TSS Miracht Agrad, Excelsior-A, NCC-2018

    UES Saturn, Renaissance, NCC-2605
    UES Venus, Renaissance, NCC-2606
    UES Neptune, Renaissance, NCC-2607
    TSS Pralim, Renaissance, NCC-2608
    TSS Phinda, Renaissance, NCC-2609
    TSS Mugat, Renaissance, NCC-2610
    TSS Gokoch, Renaissance, NCC-2616
    Thelasa-vei, Renaissance, NCC-2613
    Thejal, Renaissance, NCC-2626

    UES Yorkshire, Centaur-B, NCC-2109
    UES Oslo, Centaur-B, NCC-2126
    Flabbjellah, Centaur-B, NCC-2114
    Charal, Centaur-B, NCC-2115
    Vinakthen, Centaur-B, NCC-217
    TSS Achlanacht, Centaur-B, NCC-2112
    TSS Thruq, Centaur-B, NCC-2118
    VCS Suurok, Centaur-B, NCC-2129
    BDS Harmony, Centaur-B, NCC-2120
    BDS Symphony, Centaur-B, NCC-2127
    BDS Wonderstruck, Centaur-B, NCC-2138
    BDS Starlight, Centaur-B, NCC-2139
    BDS Talaxana, Centaur-B, NCC-2140

    UES Nairobi, Centaur-A, NCC-2110
    Yravas, Centaur-A, NCC-2113
    Sevaijen, Centaur-A, NCC-2116
    VCS Sh'Raan, Centaur-A, NCC-2111

    UES Calgary, NCC-1903

    Final Stockpile with Annual Income
    BR/yr: 2045 - 0 + 75 = 2120
    SR/yr: 1640 - 0 + 120 = 1860
    PP/yr: 191 - 0 + 3 = 194
    RP/yr: 389 - 0 + 17 = 406
    BR: 2855 - 35 - 1300 + 134 + 2120 = 3,774
    SR: 1865 - 25 - 1140 + 107 + 1860 = 2,667
    PP: 593 - 158 - 682 + 370 + 194 = 317
    RP: 743.5 - 410 - 478 + 270 + 406 = 531.5

    3,774 Bulk Resources
    2,667 Special Resources
    317 Political Will
    531.5 Research Points

    New Personnel Pool
    Standard Starfleet:
    O/yr: 37.1 - 0 + 1.4 = 38.5
    E/yr: 50.5 - 0 + 1.4 = 51.9
    T/yr: 45.63 - 0 + 1.4 = 47.03
    O: 54.8 - 62 + 1.0 + 38.5 = 32.3 - (Fed) (57/2=28.5) + (Ret) 32 + (Fed. Res.) 5.1 = 40.9
    E: 92.87 - 79 + 1.0 + 51.9 = 66.77 - (Fed) (91/2=45.5) + (Ret) 40 + (Fed. Res.) 6.4 = 67.67
    T: 90.83 - 91 + 1.0 + 47.03 = 47.83 - (Fed) (72/2=36) + (Ret) 40+ (Fed. Res.) 6.71 = 58.57

    Explorer Corps:
    O(EC)/yr: 6.66 - 0 + 0.25 = 6.91
    E(EC)/yr: 6.44 - 0.0 + 0.25 = 6.69
    T(EC)/yr: 5.67 - 0.0 + 0.25 = 5.92
    O(EC): 37.16 - 35 + 6 + 0 + 6.91 = 15.07
    E(EC): 33.55 - 35 + 6 + 0 + 6.69 = 10.24
    T(EC): 27.57 - 30 + 5 + 0 + 5.92 = 8.49
    Standard Starfleet: 40.9 Officer, 67.67 Enlisted, 58.57 Technician
    Explorer Corps: 15.07 Officer, 10.24 Enlisted, 8.49 Technician
     
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    • thats a lot of ships that need updating and maybe some new crew

    still over all i think we are doing well?
    at least fleet wise.
     
    anon_user said:
    New Personnel Pool
    Standard Starfleet:
    O/yr: 37.1 - 0 + 1.4 = 38.5
    E/yr: 50.5 - 0 + 1.4 = 51.9
    T/yr: 45.63 - 0 + 1.4 = 47.03
    O: 54.8 - 56 + 1.0 + 38.5 = 55.8 - (Fed) (57/2=28.5) + (Ret) 24 = 51.3
    E: 92.87 - 76 + 1.0 + 51.9 = 93.87 - (Fed) (93/2=46.5) + (Ret) 32 = 79.37
    T: 90.83 - 87 + 1.0 + 47.03 = 91.83 - (Fed) (72/2=36) + (Ret) 32 = 87.83
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    Posted this in Discord, but here is an audit on the crew (just doing Officers):

    I can confirm that 54.8 is what I was using at beginning of year last time, and that included the first year's Federalization of reserves

    The -56 would be ships crewed this year I guess. Per EOY that's 1 Polaris (7) + 16 Keplers (2*16 = 32) + 1 Comet (2) + we moved the Odyssey to regular service (6). That's 7 + 32 + 2 + 6 = 47.

    Huh, not sure where the remaining -9 is coming from?

    Federalized under construction maybe?

    2 Excelsiors (12) + Centaur-B (1) + Constellation (2) = 15 * .5 = 7.5... nope, that doesn't work.

    So how do we get to -56 Officers?

    Well, put that to the side. Then we have +1. Not sure where that's coming from. There was a Saturn CL from 2324.Q1 that added +1O/E/T additional Tellarites, but I thought they arrived in 2325, not 2324 EOY.

    Federalized ships = 1 Miranda (1), 17 centaurs (17), 9 Renaissances (27) and 2 Excelsiors (12) = 57 /2 = 28.5.

    Okay, that one's right.

    And then we we retired 7 Starfleet Connie-Bs for 21 Officers and 4 member Connie-Bs for 12/2 = 6 officers, for a total of 27 offices.

    Oh wait, that doesn't include the Cheron.

    So another +5 officers; 32 from retirement.

    Huh, if we took the "Federalized under Construction" and included only 1 Excelsior (the one that's in a Starfleet shipyard) then the numbers work out assuming we have to 'pay' the entire crew, which come to think we probably do.

    1 Excelsiors (6) + Centaur-B (1) + Constellation (2) = 9

    Okay, to review: 54.8 O is correct.

    -56 is off in that it does not include the crew paid for that Vulcan Excelsior being built in an Amarki (I think?) berth. Should be -62.

    +1 is fine if we're getting those Tellaraite spacers a bit early.

    38.5 is new Officer income... looks fine.

    Federalized ships 28.5 are correct.

    However retired ships Crew income are incorrect... we retired 7 Starfleet Constitution-Bs, 4 member Constitiution-B, and the Cheron. Should be 32 from RET.(edited)

    And none of this includes the +5.1 Officers from the Federalized crew reserves we get for 2325.

    (apply all of this to Enlisted and Techs as well)
     
    Simon_Jester said:
    ...Oh, rats.

    The plan that didn't involve the evidence of what happened to the ISC from the Horizon point of view won.

    [stares into space]
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    I don't think that's as bad as you make it out to be. The ISC are probably the polity most likely to accept the explanation, "we had to prioritize more current information over events centuries ago. Knowing the exact details might have provided some catharsis, but I don't doubt any ISC leader would rather know what the Horizon are doing now and have limited information on past events, versus a clear view of the past but less information on current crises.

    Plus, we've built up a lot of goodwill with the ISC since we met them, so there's a better chance of them choosing to take us at our word than say the Felis or the Licori. I want to say Courageous was the ship that first made contact with them, though that was before Zara's captaincy. Despite their paranoid nature, I think this is a situation where we can ask the Padani to trust us and have a good chance of them believing us.
     
    Nervos Belli said:
    I don't think that's as bad as you make it out to be. The ISC are probably the polity most likely to accept the explanation, "we had to prioritize more current information over events centuries ago. Knowing the exact details might have provided some catharsis, but I don't doubt any ISC leader would rather know what the Horizon are doing now and have limited information on past events, versus a clear view of the past but less information on current crises.
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    Actually, it wasn't just that it would make the ISC happy or that they won't forgive us.

    I honestly thought that information would be valuable.

    Firstly, because it may be a useful cluebat on the Harmony's own population- "Hi, here's a big chunk of your history that you were forced to forget!"

    Secondly, because the ISC killed at least one Singer in cyberwarfare combat. It's likely that somewhere in those "What happened to the Padani" files is what the Singers knew about how it was done to them.

    Thirdly, because it's insight into how the Singers react when massively thwarted by a Great Power-sized entity that is resistant to their advances, as opposed to a single planet like Kelowna. This could be extremely important in the very near future since we're about to no-sell their seduction program in a way that in some ways is even more vigorous than the Padani's, if with less immediate fiery explosive death involved.

    It's not that the Padani won't trust us, it's that I specifically wanted that information for other reasons plus the extra +Trust we'd get from it.
     
    Simon_Jester said:
    It's not that the Padani won't trust us, it's that I specifically wanted that information for other reasons plus the extra +Trust we'd get from it.
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    Keep in mind, though, that the Padani might still have data on that, which, while not necessarily as useful, could still help devise systems to at the very least blunt Singer infiltration of Federation computer systems.
     
    Simon_Jester said:
    Actually, it wasn't just that it would make the ISC happy or that they won't forgive us.

    I honestly thought that information would be valuable.

    Firstly, because it may be a useful cluebat on the Harmony's own population- "Hi, here's a big chunk of your history that you were forced to forget!"

    Secondly, because the ISC killed at least one Singer in cyberwarfare combat. It's likely that somewhere in those "What happened to the Padani" files is what the Singers knew about how it was done to them.

    Thirdly, because it's insight into how the Singers react when massively thwarted by a Great Power-sized entity that is resistant to their advances, as opposed to a single planet like Kelowna. This could be extremely important in the very near future since we're about to no-sell their seduction program in a way that in some ways is even more vigorous than the Padani's, if with less immediate fiery explosive death involved.

    It's not that the Padani won't trust us, it's that I specifically wanted that information for other reasons plus the extra +Trust we'd get from it.
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    I am not sure about the first point, but the last two? particularly the second seemed worthwhile, though it is a shame, no use to dwell it now.
     
    Simon_Jester said:
    Actually, it wasn't just that it would make the ISC happy or that they won't forgive us.

    I honestly thought that information would be valuable.

    Firstly, because it may be a useful cluebat on the Harmony's own population- "Hi, here's a big chunk of your history that you were forced to forget!"

    Secondly, because the ISC killed at least one Singer in cyberwarfare combat. It's likely that somewhere in those "What happened to the Padani" files is what the Singers knew about how it was done to them.

    Thirdly, because it's insight into how the Singers react when massively thwarted by a Great Power-sized entity that is resistant to their advances, as opposed to a single planet like Kelowna. This could be extremely important in the very near future since we're about to no-sell their seduction program in a way that in some ways is even more vigorous than the Padani's, if with less immediate fiery explosive death involved.

    It's not that the Padani won't trust us, it's that I specifically wanted that information for other reasons plus the extra +Trust we'd get from it.
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    In order:

    It might have worked as a wake up call, but we have other things to use for that. The Tauni incursion was similarly awful, and was also far more recent. People are more likely to be outraged at something that happened in the past few decades than something that happened centuries ago.

    We know how the Padani killed Singers. Zarael told us. They detonated a torpedo in the computer core when they detected malicious code. It's about as useful as EPS venting during the biophage.

    Third is a fair point, but I still think having current information is more valuable.
     
    so what if anything do we have too round of before we get to the next year?

    damm just looked at when this "year" started.

    juli the 6 till now jeez, halve a year on one year of story telling
     
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