To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

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You've long since grown too big to not have at least some crisis somewhere.

Edit: This isn't a bad thing - it's just a product of success in getting swole.

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It's also the reason Starfleet is allowed to keep building ships. What we do with these ships might also be the reason that we get asked to help by non-Federation parties, like de-gooing continents, looking for lost ships, help with the unstable sun, ...
Even than I'd expect polities to get a little "" if we sent 5 times their whole fleet to conduct diplomacy in their broader area of space. If the other diplomatic polity from around the corner does the same, that should go to "".

I think it's kind of insane that the minors in this area are even vaguely okay with such massive task forces in their area.

Like at that point why not such pick one side?

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Play to get the best offer.

 

[Iron Wolf]

Sorry that y'all Just Weren't Ready for the Level 140 Wrath Of The Horizon King Expansion set and their hardcore raid battles

Like at that point why not such pick one side?

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That is... what the Horizon and Federation task forces... are trying to convince them to do...

 

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That is... what the Horizon and Federation task forces... are trying to convince them to do...

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Ah, I see, whoever demonstrates their superiority gets picked. The one with more ships, more amenities and such will thusly demonstrate it.

But I think it's unfair that the Horizon can basically use their task force to arbitrarily increase relations when we cannot do the same, having to use diplomatic pushes instead - Our task forces can only remove tags, theirs can generate direct relationship points!

 

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Ah, I see, whoever demonstrates their superiority gets picked. The one with more ships, more amenities and such will thusly demonstrate it.

But I think it's unfair that the Horizon can basically use their task force to arbitrarily increase relations when we cannot do the same, having to use diplomatic pushes instead - Our task forces can only remove tags, theirs can generate direct relationship points!

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Mm, what? Why did you conclude that their task forces give direct relationship points and not just working on their own "Federation Influence" tag?

 

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Mm, what? Why did you conclude that their task forces give direct relationship points and not just working on their own "Federation Influence" tag?

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If they don't provide direct relationship points leaving the task forces around for years would be fine.

 

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If they don't provide direct relationship points leaving the task forces around for years would be fine.

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Sorry, you are losing me. If TFs don't provide direct points, then it's fine to leave them for years - which it is? What do you mean?

 

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Sorry, you are losing me. If TFs don't provide direct points, then it's fine to leave them for years - which it is? What do you mean?

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Binding a huge part of the Horizon fleet posing.

 

[agumentic]

Yeah, and the Felis should be up to wits end being caught in a 30 ship great power sandwich enough that they should be ready to turf half of them and us. Courting the Felis as a buffer state should not involve more ships than they'll produce in the next 100 years.

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Well, while Felis are evidently okay with it, for, IMO, good reasons, and the ships in those task forces are doing work, what I found more interesting is that no one in thread at the time started the whole "ISC fleet can easily overpower Felis', they practically bullying them into an alliance, why is no one protesting it?". So yeah, the space sovereignty concern sounds to me like a rationalization of a simple dislike of a strong opposition.

Binding a huge part of the Horizon fleet posing.

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Well, yeah, but it's also a big part of ours.

 

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Task Force: Goodfoot probaly outnumbers the Ur'razzi navy as well

 

[Enerael]

Last year between TF Beyond and TF Unity we had:
9 Capitals
7 Cruisers
20 Frigates

cruising around that same area. Not quite as many ships, but I promise you it was enough to fight both the Licori and the OSA fleets together if we had needed to.

I really hope the GMs just ignore all of this, hunker down, and continue on.

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While a war involving our Ally, Affiliate, and someone we have been at war with recently was going on. And it's still less ships that what the HoH is sending in capitals.

Each tender is said to come with an escort of dozens of corvettes, with stats such as C4 S1 H1 L4 P2 D3 (Virtuoso, new strike corvette), or C1 S3 H1 L2 P2 D2 (Alert, public safety).

Okay, I've been thinking about this, and I think the problem is that it's hard to imagine what those many ships are productively doing. Like, how many trade conferences and diplomatic transportation can you possibly need?

Imagine a hypothetical scenario where all of those ships are employed doing useful, productive work that is making life better for the powers they're doing diplomacy with. Like, if 12 HoH cruisers/cap ships and were improving the economic efficiency of Luigis's Empire by 1% per quarter he'd be all like, FUCK YES SEND MORE SHIPS. If they're doing something useful and helpful then it doesn't matter how many there are because they're being useful and helpful.

But if you can't imagine them doing things that are useful and helpful, then it's hard to see their purpose as anything other than intimidation.

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While A concern, this is far from the primary one.

Again:

• They have precautions, particularly the bordering powers and the Federation
• I'm actually not opposed to adding a "sticker shock" tag the Harmony have to get through. But then like... if you go that big you'd have to deal with it too. Or it's hypocritical.

Also: What is the cap that is reasonable?

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I would like to see non expensive preparations that could prevent them from being conquered in days on HoHs whim if they invite those ships.

While a step in the right direction, WHY are those minor powers inviting that fleet into their territory? There should be a ceiling beyond which ships are turned around at the border, unless the nation is pressured to allow that somehow (such as by the threat of conquest or something).

It may as well be. No one is happy that we now have a 42 ship Fleet on our borders.

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42 capitals. Plus dozens of corvettes per tender.

Let N equal (total Combat of task force)/(total Combat of target species navy)

[If N is less than 0.5] -> [no sticker shock]
[if N is between 0.5 and 0.75] -> [Add 0/100 or 200/300 "Sticker Shock" tag, so 100 points of sticker shock to get through]
[if N is between 0.75 and 1] -> [add 100/300 or two 0/100 "Sticker Shock" tags, so 200 points to get through]
[If N is greater than 1]-> [add three 0/100 "Sticker Shock" tags, so 300 points to get through]

-If the task force is here to save a species from an existential threat, no sticker shock because that would be kind of silly.
-If the task force is here to save a species from an external, non-existential threat (e.g. the Ashidi and Cardassian Threat tag or whatever we're calling it, sticker shock might, say, be cut in half.
-If the task force is explicitly there to alter a species' politics in ways likely to provoke widespread hostility, sticker shock might be potentially increased over this baseline because people resent being imperialized.

This also incentivizes us to build the kind of ships the Council historically seems to like anyway- relatively peaceful ships that will roll well on events without being terror-monsters in battle. They'll do well on task force events without triggering anyone's sense of "help, I'm being imperialized!" And the sticker shock penalties aren't so big that they automatically invalidate big task forces, especially big task forces divided among multiple species. They just create a diminishing returns effect that discourages people from using doomstacks to force-affiliate single targets rather than working on them gradually.

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I would say that powers should have the option to deny entry to big fleets unless pressured to, not just grudgingly allow them if at a diplomatic cost. And even if a big fleet is allowed, the nearby great power(s) might object if it is big enough.

Task Force: Goodfoot probably outnumbers the Ur'razzi navy as well

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7 ships. 1 Excelsior A, 2 Renaissance, and 4 frigates.

While I do not know the Ur'razzi navy, this is very different from the HoH sending 2-3 dozens of ships to conduct diplomacy with you.

I would be fine with cutting down its size mind, we always have some place to put those ships, and we are not in a hurry to befriend these people. Just don't want Cardies to do so.

 

[Random Member]

TF Reassure is supposed to move on to the Dreamers if they finish their work on the Ashidi before the end of the year. Can't we send them to reinforce Beyond instead? Sure, it's only 3 Cruisers and 3 Frigates, but everything helps and P4-5 is okay.

 

[Enerael]

I'd just to point out that two Expeditionary Fleets (maybe three) were already sitting around here for a while, waiting for us to wave them through to join up with a Starfleet fleet to smash through Bajor => Kobheeria => Chrystovia.

We haven't seen general reactions from the locals yet. Everyone was fine with all these ships in the area because they were ostensibly on the border there to sail on through to start bending spoons in earnest.

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A great power having those ships on their border near you (with a plausible explanation as to why) makes little difference should they decide to conquer you. You may not like it, but as a minor power you probably don't have the leverage to get that fleet sent away.

Inviting them into your space? Without an emergency or reason other than diplomacy? A fleet large enough to concern the other nearby great power? Your only chance for sovereignty should that gigantic fleet decide to nom you? A rather different matter.

If they want diplo, let them send diplomats, not what might as well be a bloody warfleet!

 

[Ukrainian Ranger]

TF Reassure is supposed to move on to the Dreamers if they finish their work on the Ashidi before the end of the year. Can't we send them to reinforce Beyond instead? Sure, it's only 3 Cruisers and 3 Frigates, but everything helps and P4-5 is okay.

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Dreamers are far from being unimportant. They are quite close to Harmony, too.

 

[sunrise]

disbanding or reducing the size of Reassure and reducing goodfoot to 3-4 ships are probably the best ways to reinforce Beyond at the next deployment vote. As the dreamers will be affiliates with one diplopush a bit of luck with the rolls of Reassure.

 

[Simon_Jester]

A/N: And now for something completely different. For some bizarre reason, my muse would not let me be on this. For the moment, it mostly serves to provide a window into the many failings of Gorn society, though there's a chance I may revisit the character. For those not aware, Jorphassh's job is all to real. And no, Jorphassh isn't really a Marxist (though who knows, if he keeps on reading...), I just saw an opportunity to cap things off nicely with a Marx quote, so of course I had to take it. How could I not?

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I like him better as nottaMarxist. Alien minds can be alien, and he's heir to a philosophical tradition that must have been millenia deep long before Marx dipped his toe into political science.

For all the concerns about space sovereignty, one would think people would protest or even just note the ISC Felis task force, with 18 ships and combined C91, without considering a third of Beyond.

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I'll be quite honest, if the Felis weren't at least a little uncomfortable with the sheer size of the ISC deployment around them, they must not value their independence very much, which is kiiiind of the opposite of the way they've been portrayed so far.

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Well it's like, I can see why Zara ka'Athnon would see the forty ships as an exciting new opportunity to make friends, and little else. Something harmless and exciting!

But if everyone in the galaxy had Zara ka'Athnon's personality, it would be a very, very different galaxy. And way over at the other end of the sliding scale of cynicism versus idealism, a character like, oh, Straaji Halkh (let alone anyone really cynical at heart) views this as a battlefleet in sheep's clothing.

Not quite. ISC's primary objective is to affiliate the Felis so they can put Starbases around (and hopefully in) their territory.

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Yes- but that's kind of the point. The main objective is to construct the fortifications, the secondary objective (required to fully achieve the main one) is to affiliate the Felis. The ISC's desire to affiliate the Felis is contingent upon their desire to build the fortifications, not the other way around.

Sorry that y'all Just Weren't Ready for the Level 140 Wrath Of The Horizon King Expansion set and their hardcore raid battles

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Again, I don't have any objection whatsoever to the Harmony cranking up the difficulty level on us. I just want realistic-ish in-character reactions to the fact that giant fleets pose a military threat when they spend enough time in an area.

If Task Force Boldly were concentrated rather than spread out among 3-4 polities and a huge amount of physical territory, I'd probably already be worrying this worry.

You've long since grown too big to not have at least some crisis somewhere.

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Well yeah, but from a gameplay standpoint people get fatigued.

Me, I like having big crises, punctuated by periods of relative peace and quiet that last at least, oh, a few quarters each.

If they don't provide direct relationship points leaving the task forces around for years would be fine.

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What makes you think that our "Horizon Influence" tag isn't their relationship points stat, or conversely that our relationship points stat is anything other than their "Federation Influence" tag?

Well, while Felis are evidently okay with it, for, IMO, good reasons, and the ships in those task forces are doing work, what I found more interesting is that no one in thread at the time started the whole "ISC fleet can easily overpower Felis', they practically bullying them into an alliance, why is no one protesting it?". So yeah, the space sovereignty concern sounds to me like a rationalization of a simple dislike of a strong opposition.

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Why THANK YOU for your charming, lovely assumption that other people are reasoning in good faith. You are SO KIND.

You do realize that people don't always think of things right away, and that that doesn't automatically make them wrong when they DO think of it, right?

 

[Enerael]

Well, while Felis are evidently okay with it, for, IMO, good reasons, and the ships in those task forces are doing work, what I found more interesting is that no one in thread at the time started the whole "ISC fleet can easily overpower Felis', they practically bullying them into an alliance, why is no one protesting it?". So yeah, the space sovereignty concern sounds to me like a rationalization of a simple dislike of a strong opposition.

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There has been no indication that the ISC are, as you put it, bullying the Felis.

Considering the HoH, such would be counterproductive anyway.

The number of ships there is something that I have not considered before, so you might have a point, but perhaps it could be rationalized by how divided between their various greedy corporations the Felis are? Offer some lucrative trade, and there would probably a lot of lobby to allow those peaceful traders and diplomats in.

I wouldn't mind if both HoH and ISC had to draw down their efforts there though, or if there was some kind of cost to them for this.

What makes you think that our "Horizon Influence" tag isn't their relationship points stat, or conversely that our relationship points stat is anything other than their "Federation Influence" tag?

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Because HoH progress is shown as a drop in our Horizon Influence tag, not a change in our relations with them.

Considering that we have seen that tag go into negatives, I believe that the HoH has a Federation influence tag of an opposite value to our Horizon Influence one, and that we should be safe until it hits -300. Though at -100 some kind of HoH diplopush might start to make things harder.

 

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For all the concerns about space sovereignty, one would think people would protest or even just note the ISC Felis task force, with 18 ships and combined C91, without considering a third of Beyond.

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Well, while Felis are evidently okay with it, for, IMO, good reasons, and the ships in those task forces are doing work, what I found more interesting is that no one in thread at the time started the whole "ISC fleet can easily overpower Felis', they practically bullying them into an alliance, why is no one protesting it?". So yeah, the space sovereignty concern sounds to me like a rationalization of a simple dislike of a strong opposition.

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We did get upset/concerned about the ISC mobilization in that region!

Do you not remember all the worry that the massive ISC fleet would provoke a war?

I'd just to point out that two Expeditionary Fleets (maybe three) were already sitting around here for a while, waiting for us to wave them through to join up with a Starfleet fleet to smash through Bajor => Kobheeria => Chrystovia.

We haven't seen general reactions from the locals yet. Everyone was fine with all these ships in the area because they were ostensibly on the border there to sail on through to start bending spoons in earnest.

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Yanno, one of the reasons some of us voted against intervening to defend Chrystovia was because we didn't think the HoH was willing or able to put the ships where its mouth was in the offer of help they sent us.

Did Starfleet know about these expeditionary fleets when we were voting to intervene?

So all those minor powers are supposed to happily accept "massive" fleets cruising through their space simply because they can't do anything about it? Because it seems horrendously unrealistic and unfair to me to implement such a limit only in regards to GP who can actually threaten the Federation back. And the whole spheres of interest thing is so deeply imperialistic that I would argue it heavily clashes with the general intention behind the quest.

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Minor powers work different because a great power-minor power war doesn't damage the institutional structure of the whole region.

Letting a great power get the drop on another great power is a catastrophe for the one getting attacked and enormously destabilizing for the whole region.

I think it's kind of insane that the minors in this area are even vaguely okay with such massive task forces in their area.

Like at that point why not such pick one side?

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Because one side or the other occupying your space is still a foreign power operating in your space?

The way real minor powers deal with this sort of thing is if they really like a side or really have to pick a side "or else" and no outsider cares, they pick a side. Otherwise, they place one side off against another strong side. Or they fight in the hope that the interested outsiders will come in and save their bacon before their own military is overwhelmed or at least before the foreign occupation lasts too long.

So the 4 minors caught between the UFP, ISC, Romulans could react in any number of ways. But I would expect that mostly, they would attempt to play the Horizon off against the other 3 powers in a way that emphasized preserving their freedom of choice.

Plus isn't the federation the one faction in this quest that always pushes this whole "heavily armed" ship isn't a warship narrative and thus most accepting of the whole "massive armed ships serves civilian puposes" idea?

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And the Federation Council still has a combat cap on Starfleet.

And none of the local powers buy the Federation's illusions for a moment. The Cardassians sure learned what the Enterprize was. And the Klingons knew Kirk wasn't flying around in a harmless science probe.

So it's absolutely fine to me if the HoH says "oh, these are diplomacy boats, the weapons bays are just for probing anomalous diplomatic problems" and believes it. But why the heck should anyone else in-universe buy the HoH line when these ships clearly walk like warships and quack like warships?

Sorry that y'all Just Weren't Ready for the Level 140 Wrath Of The Horizon King Expansion set and their hardcore raid battles

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I get that we are criticising something you've worked hard on. And I know that is painful. However, I do not appreciate my concerns being misrepresented this way.

And I haven't seen anyone else actually make this complaint.

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[Steven Kodaly]

Our task forces can only remove tags, theirs can generate direct relationship points!

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I wasn't aware of any such restriction. We target tags, certainly, but that doesn't prevent ships in the task force from accruing relationship points outside the targeted tag.

42 capitals.

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42 capitals and cruisers. The Harmony of Horizon isn't sending every single fleet tender they own and operate, just a healthy number of them.

 

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42 capitals and cruisers. The Harmony of Horizon isn't sending every single fleet tender they own and operate, just a healthy number of them.

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I think Enerael tried to stress that the fleet is 42 capitals + swarmers, not 42 ships.

 

[UberJJK]

[X] Focus on the Licori and OSA

Just wanted to chip in and say this is undeniably a warfleet. This is our fleet from the Arcadian Crisis:

Spoiler: Arcadian Crisis Fleet

-Task Force 1, Commodore Michel Thuir
USS Sarek, Excelsior-class, NCC-2004 - Captain Straak
USS Excelsior, Excelsior-class, NCC-2000 - Captain Yamada Ichigo
USS Lexington, Constitution-B-class, NCC-1741 - Captain Winslow
TSS Krinuk, Constitution-B-class, NCC-1750
USS Blizzard, Centaur-A-class, NCC-2108 - Captain Senok
USS Lightning, Centaur-A-class, NCC- 2105 - Captain Khrerg bak Arguk
UES Calgary, Miranda-A-class, NCC-1903 - Captain Tan Ming
USS Torbriel, Oberth-class, NCC-1511 - Captain Diego Zaardmani

-Task Force 2, Commodore Nash ka'Sharren
USS Enterprise, Excelsior-class, NCC-1701-B - Captain Samhaya Mrr'shan
UES Liberty, Excelsior-class, NCC-2017 - Captain Olesya Sokolov
USS Hood, Constitution-B-class, NCC-1742 - Captain Angela Curtis
USS Winterwind, Centaur-A-class, NCC-2104 - Captain Abigail Taggart
UES Shanghai, Miranda-A-class, NCC-1904 - Captain Gao Yang
UES Yorkshire, Centaur-A-class, NCC-2109 - Captain Angus Connelly
USS Hawking, Oberth-class, NCC-1509 - Captain Bruce Ponting
TSS Nugruch, Miranda-A-class, NCC-1912
TSS Lorch Krind, Miranda-A-class, NCC-1914
2 Tellarite Miranda-As

-Task Force 3, Rear Admiral T'Lorel
USS Renaissance, Renaissance-class, NCC-2601 - Captain Larai Leaniss
--Task Group 3.1, Commodore Brufraogem Wev
RDS Yagad-Tich, Megatortoise-class, NCC-2901 - Captain Irdask
RDS Hadabat, Turtleship-class, NCC-2903 - Captain Rumo
RDS Monsad, Turtleship-class, NCC-2904 - Captain Caagid
BDS Radlawxa, Patrol Cruiser-class, NCC-2501 - Captain Viamelo Gru
RDS Oda-Gach-3, Oda-Gach-class Cutter, NCC-3005
USS Svai, Miranda-class, NCC-1658 - Captain T'Atring
TSS Halach Ond, Miranda-A-class, NCC-1915
--Task Group 3.2, Commodore Erzath zh'Darlyth
USS Endurance, Excelsior-class, NCC-2007 - Captain Pavel Chekov
RDS Pagatat, Turtleship-class, NCC-2907 - Captain Zukeik
UES Jupiter, Constellation-class, NCC-1813 - Captain Roberta Sherman
USS Calypso, Miranda-class, NCC-1632 - Captain Tomiq zh'Pohren
USS Thunderhead, Miranda-class, NCC-1656 - Captain Amos Bao
USS Inspire, Oberth-class, NCC-1510 - Captain Amelia Currie
TSS Atgunnuck, Contellation-class, NCC-1822

-Task Force 4, Commodore Iorinn Grann
USS Thirishar, Excelsior-class, NCC-2011 - Captain Norkair ch'Gharist
USS Gale, Centaur-A-class, NCC-2106 - Captain Gorth th'Hashok
BDS Harmony, Centaur-A-class, NCC-2120 - Captain Eneram Idrai
BDS Astute, Patroller-class, NCC-2507
BDS Assist, Patroller-class, NCC-2508
RDS Oda-Gach-4, Oda-Gach-class Cutter, NCC-3006
RDS Oda-Gach-5, Oda-Gach-class Cutter, NCC-3007
RDS Oda-Gach-7, Oda-Gach-class Cutter, NCC-3008
USS T'Mir, Oberth-class, NCC-1507
1 Vulcan Oberth

Ignoring veterancy for simplicity that comes to:

Task Force 1 - C32 S29 H21 L29 P24 D31​

2 x Explorers
2 x Cruisers
4 x Frigates
8 Ships Total​

Task Force 2 - C39 S34 H26 L37 P25 D34​

2 x Explorers
1 x Cruiser
8 x Frigates
11 Ships Total​

Task Force 3 - C53 S47 H48 L57 P42 D43​

2 x Explorers
7 x Cruisers
6 x Frigates
15 Ships Total​

Task Force 4 - C24 S35 H15 L25 P29 D24​

1 x Explorer
9 x Frigates
10 Ships Total​

Combined Strength - C148 S145 H110 L148 P120 D132​

7 x Explorers
10 x Cruisers
27 Frigates
44 Ships Total​

So all told just the Explorers and Cruisers of the Harmony fleet is about equal to our entire fleet against the Arcadians. This gets worse when you remember that Task Force 4 was pure defense so it's really just 34 ships that actually flew off to war. Even if split into quarters to deal with each of the four target races this is still more Explorers/Cruisers then all of either Task Force 1 which took down Ixaria, admittedly with the backup of 12 Ked Paddah ships but that simply brings the level of Explorers/Cruisers into the same range, or Task Force 2 which killed the Emperor.

 

[Simon_Jester]

So all told just the Explorers and Cruisers of the Harmony fleet is about equal to our entire fleet against the Arcadians. This gets worse when you remember that Task Force 4 was pure defense so it's really just 34 ships that actually flew off to war. Even if split into quarters to deal with each of the four target races this is still more Explorers/Cruisers then all of either Task Force 1 which took down Ixaria, admittedly with the backup of 12 Ked Paddah ships but that simply brings the level of Explorers/Cruisers into the same range, or Task Force 2 which killed the Emperor.

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This Harmony fleet is not a war fleet, unless the Harmony is actually planning a war, which I doubt. I honestly think their Plan A is peaceful outreach; the problem is simply that their fleet is big. Big enough to be impossible for the local powers to deter or drive away even if they want to.

Of course, my fear is that the Harmony will, if frustrated out on their frontier with us, revert to the kind of "narcissistic rage" behavior the ISC and Tauni saw.

I get that we are criticising something you've worked hard on. And I know that is painful. However, I do not appreciate my concerns being misrepresented this way.

And I haven't seen anyone else actually make this complaint.

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Yeah. Basically, there is at most one or two people who are saying "this is too much, how can the Harmony have this many ships to use on this." It's... in my opinion obvious the Harmony can do this and should be able to if it's that big a priority for them.

I just want to make sure that the minors between us and the Harmony are reacting appropriately to the situation- and if that sets a precedent that we can unnerve a lightly armed minor by rolling up with a C50 battlegroup, I don't have a problem with that.

 

[fasquardon]

This Harmony fleet is not a war fleet, unless the Harmony is actually planning a war, which I doubt. I honestly think their Plan A is peaceful outreach; the problem is simply that their fleet is big. Big enough to be impossible for the local powers to deter or drive away even if they want to.

Of course, my fear is that the Harmony will, if frustrated out on their frontier with us, revert to the kind of "narcissistic rage" behavior the ISC and Tauni saw.

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I agree.

As I see it, just because they don't use this warfleet for war doesn't make it not a warfleet.

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[Binge-Reader]

My response to this at glance is "I sure wish we new a lot of these ships would have happily been deployed against the Cardies"

Really what breaks my SoD is that no one who was thinking of intervening shared what they were willing to do it each other if they were deadly serious. If I knew the Horizon we're preparing to send a significant fraction of this force to intervine I totally would have voted to do so.

It strikes me that the task force system should have soft caps based on how much the local powers want in their space with massive penalties if you go over. So in universe we have to work based on case by case constraints when building taskforces.

 

[UberJJK]

This Harmony fleet is not a war fleet

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Yes, it is. The fact that the war fleet can pull double duty as a diplomatic outreach program doesn't change the fact it is a war fleet. All it takes is one signal for that "peaceful" fleet to suddenly become a lot less peaceful and at that point they are already in your borders. So even if it's not acting like a warfleet right this moment you always have to treat it like one because you never know when its orders might suddenly change.

 

[Steven Kodaly]

My response to this at glance is "I sure wish we new a lot of these ships would have happily been deployed against the Cardies"

Really what breaks my SoD is that no one who was thinking of intervening shared what they were willing to do it each other if they were deadly serious. If I knew the Horizon we're preparing to send a significant fraction of this force to intervine I totally would have voted to do so.

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The game masters told us the HoH was mobilizing a task force, and the ISC explicitly asked us for input on how best to cooperate with us. The major concern wasn't that there would be no support, but that the Federation border was going to be mauled by the inevitable Cardassian retaliation before we could put enough ships in harm's way.