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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

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[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Aggressive Diplomatic Response to isolate Breen
[X][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response
 
Briefvoice said:
People keep pounding this as the obvious "everybody wins" simple solution, but that would be... rather bad gameplay. Choices shouldn't be meaningless. If you piss off the Klingons, it shouldn't be possible to turn around and immediately placate them that way.

So I hope there's not such option, because that would be terrible, because it would leach out all the consequences for our choice.
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It's in no way an "everybody wins" situation. We know what the Romulans are going to do with their revitalized industry; fight the Breen. What do you think the Klingons will do?

My bet is that the Klingons will use this as an opportunity to both revitalize their economy and get rid of the more war hungry members by sending them off to get involved in the Ittick-Ka vs. Gorn war.

Even if that doesn't happen we're still not talking a win-win scenario here. Rebuilding not one but two empires takes a lot of resources. Sure from the sounds of it we'll mostly be spending Infra income rather then BR/SR but that is still going to take a toll on the Federation. I'd be completely unsurprising if major infrastructure projects, like new berths or Starbases, jump in price for the duration of our economic assistance. All the Infra points we'd normally be spending on them would be busy helping rebuild our neighbors.

You also seem to be operating under the assumption we'd start helping the Romulans and only help the Klingons after they complain. That would be silly. The FDS is quite capable of making the offer to both empires simultaneously or even as part of one three way treaty negotiation.
 
Just want to note, if we're going for the Romulan-Klingon border permanent peacekeeping task force, we're going to probably have to forgo sending a TF to the Gorn anytime soon.

Also, I expect to have this thrown back in our faces when the HoH start sending in their peacekeeping task force when the OSA/Licori/etc. War starts. Or directly into the middle of the Breen/Romulan War.
 
Eh, the difference is that we're asking first, and if either side says no we won't do it. The Harmony doesn't ask and doesn't take no for an answer.
 
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response
[X][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen

@Vebyast since you're proxied to me you should be aware that based on new information I'm changing my vote.

Pointing out that border patrols can be mixed in that it maintains the status quo that the Klingons like, and also that the current Klingon government likes the new Romulan regime (for now) is interesting. I would prefer to combine that with alliance building because doing so will add ships so we can afford to patrol the border. This seems a good combination that lets the Romulans use greater strength against the Breen while giving us the resources to make a response and maintaining the current balance of power.

The risks of Intel and Scouting seem too high especially if we prefer the conciliatory diplomacy, which getting caught will sabotage. In addition, it was pointed out on discord that the Licori backed by the Romulans had repeatedly violated Breen space, so getting to the bottom of that might be involved in alliance building.

Based on the new information, it seems easier to placate the Klingons with the border patrol than it does with lend-lease. The Klingons seem to be worried about fairness. The border is inherently two-sided, and it can be easily parleyed into neutrality or even taking up obligations under the spirit of Khitomer to prevent a Romulan betrayal. Lend-lease is much harder to parley into a two-sided agreement, simply because the Romulans need warfighting aid more than the Klingons do and there is little justification (actual or even just for appearances) to give the Klingons materiel.
 
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[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response
[X][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
 
[X][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response

Changing my vote. As much as I like the industrial support option, the information on likely Klingon and response is important and, even if it means we would be stretched even tighter, the idea of a long term presence policing the Klingon-Romulan boarder opens up a ton of opportunities. Also plenty of risks and costs, but what opportunities!
 
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[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response
[X][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen

@Vebyast since you're proxied to me you should be aware that based on new information I'm changing my vote.

Pointing out that border patrols can be mixed in that it maintains the status quo that the Klingons like, and also that the current Klingon government likes the new Romulan regime (for now) is interesting. I would prefer to combine that with alliance building because doing so will add ships so we can afford to patrol the border. This seems a good combination that lets the Romulans use greater strength against the Breen while giving us the resources to make a response and maintaining the current balance of power.
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Well, remember the Sword of S'tesk? IIRC there's only one. And Reinhadd took it, used it to fight and kill the previous chancellor and the sword somehow the sword ended back up in Romulan hands with Velim killing director Ch'ren with it to put an end to Tal Shiar's ascendance.

There was likely some kind of dealing behind the scenes between Wenlai, Reinhadd, and Velim.
 
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aceraptor said:
Well, remember the Sword of Stesk? IIRC there's only one. And Reinhadd took it, used it to fight and kill the previous chancellor and the sword somehow the sword ended back up in Romulan hands.

There was likely some kind of dealing behind the scenes between Wenlai, Reinhadd, and Velim.
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As a note: Both sides currently have the sword. Each used the sword to take control over their respective empires and both still have posseson of the sword.
 
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response
[X][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
 
I'm not really sure what Velim would gain from taking the risk of faking the sword-yes, it's returning a priceless cultural artifact, but it's a priceless cultural artifact-the Romulans are far likelier to discover a forgery than the Klingons, and given the way ch'Ren was acting I'd give even odds that Velim would have taken power if she'd just shot her with a disruptor instead. Similarly, Renhadd using it to kill his predecessor is itself odd-it's a war trophy, but he would likely have been able to ascend to Chancellor without it; why go to the trouble of making an elaborate fake of a weapon whose primary attraction to Klingons is that it's Renhadd holding it?

I'm inclined to think that Velim and Renhadd both think they have the real sword. And possibly neither of them do.
 
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response
[X][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
 
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response
[X][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
 
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
[X][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support

I don't want to get bogged down peacekeeping the Romulan-Klingon Border long term due to our lack of numbers nor do I want Lend-Lease that increase the cost of building our own assets like shipyards or outposts, so this would have to do as much I like to help the Romulan actively.
Adhoc vote count started by Jrin on Apr 13, 2018 at 4:55 AM, finished with 86871 posts and 15 votes.
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[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
[X][PREZ] Aggressive Diplomatic Response to isolate Breen
 
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response
[X][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
 
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Conciliatory Diplomatic Response to Breen
[X][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response

This seems like the most Federation-y/Neutral response to me.

Alliance building can (hopefully) give us a few more points with stellar powers in that area of space. Even if it doesn't give us that nice bonus, it puts a framework of cooperation and defense together for them, which is something we always seem to encourage. Bit worried that the Harmony might get involved in it, but expecting things to be 100% in our favor seems naive.

Diplomacy with the Breen... not too sure about that one. This is more about presenting a neutral face than anything else to me. Doubt that it will stop things from going to hell,but it does put us in a better position to pick up the pieces for whoever ends up losing.

Border patrol seems like a good idea, by freeing up the Romulans to fight their own war and theoretically letting the Klingons go about rebuilding themselves.
-Best case scenario: they both stop worrying about the other and hey that Federation thing is pretty cool, huh? Maybe they've got the right idea.
-Worst case scenario: The Klingons take advantage of the new border to start conquering people on the other side of the map, starting with the Gorn.

[ ][PREZ] Industrial Support/Lend-Lease Response
More likely to cause a rift with the Klingons, though it will probably strengthen relations with the Roulans.
[ ][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
This was on my list of potential options, but it seems kind of iffy if we don't know about Romulan support.
[ ][PREZ] Aggressive Diplomatic Response to isolate Breen
Could be useful, but I think it would be of limited use against the Breen. Doesn't really strike me as a Federation move.
[ ][PREZ] Subterfuge & Sabotage Response
Sneaking around can backfire on us. I'm saying no to this one.
[ ][PREZ] Direct Action Response against Breen assets
Aggressive response could bring the war to a halt, but the Federation is clearly taking a side here, and damaging our position as a neutral party.
[ ][PREZ] Push for Federation Early Mobilisation
Looking for a fight right after Federalization kicks in seems like a bad idea to me, and the Breen aren't a major power. We can probably smack them around a bit without this, and if we can't we can always revisit it when things get bad.
 
[X][PREZ] Recon & Intel Support
[X][PREZ] Alliance-Building Diplomacy Response to gain more participants in response
[X][PREZ] Romulan-Klingon Border Peacekeeping Response

Decided to change my vote. Based on the info we have, this seems most likely to thread the needle of helping the Romulans without potentially irreparable damage to our relations with the Klingons. Lend-lease comes back on the table if the Romulans are on course to lose the war, of course, but at that point we're more likely to just intervene directly against the Breen.
 
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