Raise S&P just enough that we don't get militarism points for increasing the Miranda's C-value.

Already there. C4 is doable as is since there's no Mil for P1 and we can have up to C=S+2 without problems.

There was, at least until recently, no general game plan. We had (and have) a lot on our plates when it comes to frigate construction and design, thanks to the Comets, Centaur-Bs, and Keplers.

A Miranda-B refit is probably far from a bad idea if we can get one. The problem seems to be difficulty replicating the Miranda and Miranda-A statline in the spreadsheet, which makes it hard to figure out what a refit can and cannot do. But I'm unsure about that.

It's sheetable. The issue is that decent response stats will involve an expensive refit and they're still subpar compared to a CB, and I suspect a straight combat upgrade will not be something the Pacifists like. I can do C4 S2 H2 L4 P2 D3 and keep costs at 60/45 1/2/2 but that's the best that can be done at that price. Likely a 5-10sr refit too.

Edit: via module shenanigans if we accept a 50sr cost S3 P3 is possible. Idk how refit costs would shake out but it may fall into the 5-10sr category.
 
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I thought it was C=S+P? Haven't really looked at the rules for a few months.

I thought the Klingons/Romulans/Cardassians deploying low-P ships was because they were on war footing or weren't penalized for low Presence.

It's not listed in the militarization formula section in the SDB OP and I'm not cracking open the spreadsheet on my phone to find out.
 
Can we get a refit option to just... tape weld two Mirandas together?

Miranda2​ ??-Now [554m, 1.3m t]
C6 S4 H4 L6 P2 D4
Cost[??], Crew [O-2, E-4, T-2]
Refit Cost from two Miranda-As [??]

Mass could probably be adjusted to fit in our (research upcoming) 1.2mt berths by replacing/removing some parts, and some stats could be a bit higher depending on how cost would work out.
 
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Can we get a refit option to just... tape two Mirandas together?

Miranda2​ ???-Now [554m, 1.3m t]
C6 S4 H4 L6 P2 D4
Cost[???], Crew [O-2, E-4, T-2]
Refit Cost from two Miranda-As [???]

Mass could probably be adjusted to fit in our (research upcomming) 1.2mt berths by replacing some parts, and some stats might be a bit higher depending on how cost would work out.
Leslie:

"You should look up Project Soyuz-Soyuz from back in the '70s. It got far enough that the Organians stepped in again. We were killing too many Klingons."

"From laughter."
 
Can we get a refit option to just... tape two Mirandas together?

Miranda2​ ???-Now [554m, 1.3m t]
C6 S4 H4 L6 P2 D4
Cost[???], Crew [O-2, E-4, T-2]
Refit Cost from two Miranda-As [???]

Mass could probably be adjusted to fit in our (research upcomming) 1.2mt berths by replacing some parts, and some stats might be a bit higher depending on how cost would work out.
Now THAT'S some cruiser research.

The Miranda was classified as a light cruiser back in the 2270s.

Not a bad starting place if we want a 1.2mt cruiser instead of a 1.5mt or 1.8mt cruiser.

I think you just recreated the Renaissance-A there.

Edit: For reference the Rennie-A would be something like...

C6 S4 or C7 S5, H4, L(6-7), P(4-5), D(5-7)
 
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2321.Q3 TF Preview - Kivaas Drops In
2321.Q3
Dawiar Space


Tloc hummed a tune to himself as he walked home, groceries wrapped in paper tucked into one elbow. It was a beautiful day outside, with the wind whistling through the spikes on the catus-trees lining the streets, the lizards chirping in the warm sun. It was a good day on the colony of Hark-drius, which belied the storm in Tloc's heart.

He ascended the stairs to his apartment complex, unlocking the heavy wooden door with a scan of his biometrics. Up a few flights of winding stairs -- good for Tloc's heart, which he needed right now, and then to the long hall that lead to his apartment. He fumbled for his keycard, bag rustling, and pressed it to the door.

He took a step inside. He didn't hear the door behind him in the hall open, and felt more than heard the shot that stunned him. He dropped, his face smashing into the tile as his fruits rolled across the floor.

One bumped into the foot of a Cardassian, stepping out of the kitchen. Gul Kivaas looked down at it, then picked it up. "You have good taste in food, Tloc." He said. He nodded, and the Bajoran who'd hit Tloc with a stunner moved to put cuffs on him, "Makes me sad that you have bad taste in friends, then."

A Konen appeared from Tloc's bedchambers. She was running her hands over a book titled Greatest Debates and Speeches From The Grand Hall.

Tloc grunted, his tongue heavy from the stun, "This is unacceptable, Cardassian! You have no jurisdiction. I'm Dawiar!"

Kivaas looked at the Konen, and she shook her head.

"No," Kivaas said, as Tloc's heart sank into his stomach, "You are not."
 

Well, how many ships do we need before we can safely decommission the class?

To give you some numbers on what we could reasonably have, these are highly speculative numbers as they involve years of votes being predicted correctly and no ship losses.
We are not building more Constellations or Constitutions, so not including those, not including the capitals.

end 2325 - predicted count 20 Centaur-B, 17 Kepler, 1 Comet, 18 Renaissance

end 2327 - predicted count 20 Centaur-B, 17 Kepler, 15 Comet, 15 Renaissance (Ren-A upgrade starting)

end 2329 - predicted count 20 Centaur-B, 21 Kepler, 17 Comet, 20 Renaissance-A (yes, every single Renaissance is currently pencilled in to be refit in a less than 4 year period)

Do we reach enough ships here that the quest would feel safe in disposing of the 14 Mirandas (and 4 Oberths)?
 
I'm kind of hoping that it turns out Tloc is Lecarre and the Pact is about to explode because the Lecarre can't keep their spyboner in their pants, and we end up having to immediately rush the Gabriel fleet down to the Dawiar to prevent them from getting Bajoran'd.
 
It's sheetable. The issue is that decent response stats will involve an expensive refit and they're still subpar compared to a CB, and I suspect a straight combat upgrade will not be something the Pacifists like. I can do C4 S2 H2 L4 P2 D3 and keep costs at 60/45 1/2/2 but that's the best that can be done at that price. Likely a 5-10sr refit too.

Edit: via module shenanigans if we accept a 50sr cost S3 P3 is possible. Idk how refit costs would shake out but it may fall into the 5-10sr category.

Those aren't bad. Would be half-tempted to have a few more built just so we have an even 20.

Wait...

Edit: via module shenanigans if we accept a 50sr cost S3 P3 is possible. Idk how refit costs would shake out but it may fall into the 5-10sr category.

Twitch...


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I'm kind of hoping that it turns out Tloc is Lecarre and the Pact is about to explode because the Lecarre can't keep their spyboner in their pants, and we end up having to immediately rush the Gabriel fleet down to the Dawiar to prevent them from getting Bajoran'd.

What a twist!

 
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I mean it's probably someone who's not actually Dawiar, but the Cardassians would absolutely lie about that if they wanted someone bundled off to the dungeon too.
 
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