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065tdsa said:
In other words, people are in fact dicks in the Federation like they are in normal places. The only reason the system works is that there's much less incentive to get good at it, and a lot of the people who already were died in some kind of apocalypse.
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That and we often do, in fact, manage the impossible. A lot.
Rising expectations is the downside of delivering, "Miracles to order - While you wait," so many times. All we can do is take it in the teeth for now and try to do better the next time.
 
HearthBorn said:
How many rolls are there these days? 10 per month?
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This was done quickly, so I may have missed something.

Ignoring EC ships (because they almost always get something every quarter), there were 15 different ships listed in the Q4 logs, one of which (Cheron) was listed in two separate incidents.
So that was active EC + 16 events in the last posted quarter. (Unless I missed one or two, and the count is higher - some events only get a single paragraph)

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Regarding the possible (we don't know anything concrete yet! Just a comment that the dice hate us this quarter!) PP losses, we have a lot of beings that put a lot of trust in us. They are used to us delivering miracles.

So when little John'zar's speeding shuttle clips an asteroid and spins out into an energetic display of disintegrating hull and atmosphere, we get blamed for not being sufficiently prepared to have a ship in the system and ready to come to the rescue. Never mind that our closest ship was 15 light years away in a sub-space comms obscuring nebula with away teams investigating a planet for a missing passenger ship and so didn't get the alert until after a local patrol craft plucked what was left of John'zar out of the wreckage.

Right or wrong, the local population has had decades of Starfleet rides to the rescue fed to them by the Federation media. So any failure gets pushback by the local population, who in turn 'request' that their political representatives (with local media support) express their displeasure in the areas where it can affect us.

This is modelled as PP losses, as we have to divert efforts to placate the local populace/media, instead of pushing the Council to sign off on new shipyards etc.
 
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I think we should remember the event that kicked off the Tellarites being mad was the fact there was a delayed deployment of help to trapped miners, meaning more of them perished, in part because they were taking the big green meanie seriously.

Then there was no one to respond to a quarantine breach of a bacteria that served as a vector of control for what Starfleet thinks are extradimensional puppeteers. Which is pretty spooky

E: also it was the Tellarites, who like getting a rise out of people :V
 
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065tdsa said:
In other words, people are in fact dicks in the Federation like they are in normal places. The only reason the system works is that there's much less incentive to get good at it, and a lot of the people who already were died in some kind of apocalypse.
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They're not even being jackasses - the good and the bad that happens in space gets freighted to your desk. You can't just tell people that all good things are your responsibility but don't talk to you about any of the bad stuff that happens.

I mean, for one thing, can you imagine having the QMs run a freaking inquiry to correctly assign blame or credit for every incident?
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
I mean, would you prefer we stop awarding pp for "expected" results to continue the concept?

In truth, though, no one particularly cares about where or why or how - they simply complain when something goes wrong and Starfleet is typically the name at the top of the message packet.
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*Insert character *: "Starfleet is late with the arrival of "x".

Ic2: "Well I'm writing to my Council member about the shitty service!

[Meanwhile with the USS Target]

Captain: "Oh my Space Jesus! Space wedgies....space wedgies everywhere?!"
 
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ITT: people get pissy at the concept of public daring to have an opinion of their military instead of submitting to the will of their Starfleet Overlords like Q intended.
 
I also get kind of annoyed when we start seeing pp penalties for things I think aren't our fault but I always try to imagine that our 10 pp penalty is only one part of the consequences for failure. It's the only part we see because it's the part that effects us. I can only think of one example where we did see further consequences not related to us. After the Caitians lost our sensor parts to the Pact's spies there was a mention about the Caitan Navy going through a major purge and some high ranking officers being arrested on top of that.

I imagine that if we read a log where someone hijacked a ship and disappeared we'd lose a few pp for not catching them but what we wouldn't read is how their species government is in a massive uproar over how the hijackers got on board, who was responsible for ships security and how their intelligence services didn't catch the culprits in advance. Firings, arrests, public hearings, blaming and counter-blaming are happening but they don't concern Starfleet so we don't hear about them.
 
JesseJ said:
I also get kind of annoyed when we start seeing pp penalties for things I think aren't our fault but I always try to imagine that our 10 pp penalty is only one part of the consequences for failure. It's the only part we see because it's the part that effects us. I can only think of one example where we did see further consequences not related to us. After the Caitians lost our sensor parts to the Pact's spies there was a mention about the Caitan Navy going through a major purge and some high ranking officers being arrested on top of that.

I imagine that if we read a log where someone hijacked a ship and disappeared we'd lose a few pp for not catching them but what we wouldn't read is how their species government is in a massive uproar over how the hijackers got on board, who was responsible for ships security and how their intelligence services didn't catch the culprits in advance. Firings, arrests, public hearings, blaming and counter-blaming are happening but they don't concern Starfleet so we don't hear about them.
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I think we would be more at ease if we know other services cop their share of the blame, some more so than Starfleet.
I wonder which Tellarites agencies get theirs at that past event.
 
Haven't been following the discussions much, so, question: From what I've gathered the Klingons and the Romulans are basically both on the edge of total collapse? The Romulan shipyards have been devastated, and the Klingon economy is in tatters and there's knives coming out politically? And the Romulan leadership had a massive turnover?

So is the Federation going to have to deal with a massive failed state crisis of two peer powers on one end while preparing for the future war with the Cardassians (plus a plethora of other aggressive/expansionist powers) on the other end?
 
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aceraptor said:
Haven't been following the discussions much, so, question: From what I've gathered the Klingons and the Romulans are basically both on the edge of total collapse? The Romulan shipyards have been devastated, and the Klingon economy is in tatters and there's knives coming out politically? And the Romulan leadership had a massive turnover?
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More like revolution I'd say rather than total collapse.

But the events are pretty much as you've got them.
 
aceraptor said:
Haven't been following the discussions much, so, question: From what I've gathered the Klingons and the Romulans are basically both on the edge of total collapse? The Romulan shipyards have been devastated, and the Klingon economy is in tatters and there's knives coming out politically? And the Romulan leadership had a massive turnover?

So is the Federation going to have to deal with a massive failed state crisis of two peer powers on one end while preparing for the future war with the Cardassians (plus a plethora of other aggressive/expansionist powers) on the other end?
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The Federation is making moves to avert the Klingon/Romulan failed states right now by brokering peace. The Cardassians are probably going to come to the table to bring about the Demilitarized Zone, what we're expecting is for them to launch an offensive to secure the high ground at the table soonish.
 
aceraptor said:
So is the Federation going to have to deal with a massive failed state crisis of two peer powers on one end while preparing for the future war with the Cardassians (plus a plethora of other aggressive/expansionist powers) on the other end?
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More like the Federation and Cardassia are preparing for one final throwdown with the 'winner' having a better starting position when negotiations to carve up the GBZ begin.

Theunderbolt said:
The Cardassians are probably going to come to the table to bring about the Cardassian Demilitarized Zone, what we're expecting is for them to launch an offensive to secure the high ground at the table soonish.
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Yes, that.
 
Regarding the Romulan/Klingon War, from what our intel guys are reporting:

The Klingons economy/transport network has been pushed past the point where it can keep the factories/ship yards running and supply the already built ships. Their supply of sufficiently trained replacement spacers is also exhausted.

They still think victory is possible. They just have to last long enough to knockout the remaining shipyards/put enough ships in orbit of Romulus.

The Romulan lines have collapsed with heavy losses. They have lost control of significant portions of their ship construction infrastructure. Their political leadership is playing hide the dagger in someone's back.

They still think victory is possible. They just have to last long for the faltering Klingon economy to completely collapse.

We are worried that both states will collapse. The Gorn are already lining up to start snapping at Klingon space, it would not surprise me if Horizon has plans to do the same to Romulan space.
 
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My main concern is that do we as the Federation have the resources to prop up both the Klingons and the Romulans at the same time.
 
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Thebigpieman said:
I don't think this is something the member states will complain at Starfleet specifically for but it may hit the Federation as a whole depending.
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Whether it is at the direction of the Council or not, nationalised transports appear to come under our mandate.

So in a few years time, they will mostly just see the dozens of rebadged Cargo Ships and Freighters flying under Starfleet colours...
 
Why should we care about putting resources in propping up Romulans and Klingons, they could stand to lose some territories. Do remember empires wins and loses territories.
Gorn and Horizon can try but the Federation will drew a line with a warning.
I don't want to put too much effort in helping the Romulans and Klingons when we got Cardassia.
 
Jrin said:
Why should we care about putting resources in propping up Romulans and Klingons, they could stand to lose some territories. Do remember empires wins and loses territories.
Gorn and Horizon can try but the Federation will drew a line with a warning.
I don't want to put too much effort in helping the Romulans and Klingons when we got Cardassia.
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The Horizon outnumbers us and there is a chance they may get access to cloaking technology if they don't have it already. I'd rather have the Romulans able to resist them to not make things harder on us.
 
Jrin said:
Why should we care about putting resources in propping up Romulans and Klingons, they could stand to lose some territories. Do remember empires wins and loses territories.
Gorn and Horizon can try but the Federation will drew a line with a warning.
I don't want to put too much effort in helping the Romulans and Klingons when we got Cardassia.
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We're not concerned so much with territories as we are with limiting humanitarian disasters and avoiding spillover. Trying to ensure that the collapse of the Klingons doesn't lead to a bunch of disaffected captains turned pirate, or that some Gorn captain doesn't try to burn a planet as a threat, or that a slave rebellion in the RSE doesn't spiral out of control. Basically putting out a lot of little fires before they turn into an inferno that burns us just by virtue of proximity.
 
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