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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

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    • Simon_Jester said:
    [puts two more people on Ignore]
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    Simon_Jester said:
    Of the... seven, I believe, people I have on "Ignore" at the moment, the majority were in no sense "incurable shitheels."

    They're simply people whose posts contain a high enough proportion of salt, hostility, or unnecessary contentiousness that I don't want to be obliged to listen to them all the time. Switching "Show Ignored Content" to 'on' on a given page is literally the press of a single conveniently placed button, and when I'm in the mood to put up with a high salt level, I press that button.

    Of the seven people I've Ignored... let's see.

    One got banned from the only thread I follow, so moot point. One posts in threads I no longer follow for unrelated reasons. And four out of the other five? I happily watch them for signs that I can take them off 'ignore' once they come up with a low-sodium version of their posting style. Or, heck, once whatever argument I didn't want to cope with the salt from subsides.

    I look forward to taking at least two of them off in the near future, with luck.
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    warning If you feel the need to use the Ignore function to avoid getting stressed out in a thread, that's fine. But broadcasting to people that you've put them on Ignore isn't great; it effectively tells them that you think their posting is so distasteful for whatever reason that you don't want to bother with them, whilst leaving them no way to respond. Whether this is because their posting is too "salty" or not; it's effectively a form of sniping. The one redeeming feature here is that you didn't specifically indicate the people you've put on Ignore, but they may still be able to work it out for themselves, and regardless, it still isn't okay.

    I've given you a small infraction and threadbanned you for three days. Please don't do this again.

    Thanks for your time.
     
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    [X] [SQUAD] Plan Briefvoice 2320

    Sol Sector – Requires D18 (Supported by LBZ and SBZ)
    • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 10 = 3 homeworlds (Earth, Betazed, Gaen), 7 other major worlds)
    • As of 2320.Q1 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Pathfinder], 2 Starbase I (14) [Earth, Betazed] = 19 D
    • 2320.Q2 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Pathfinder], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Lightning (i)], 2 Starbase I (14) [Earth, Betazed] = 22D
    • Notes: In 2320.Q2 Lightning returns from isolinear refit
    Vulcan Sector – Requires D10 (supported by RBZ)
    • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 5 = 1 homeworld (Vulcan), 4 other major worlds
    • As of 2320.Q1 - 1 Constellation-A (4) [Kearsage], Starbase I (7) = 11D
    • Notes: No change.
    Andor Sector – Requires D7 (supported by RBZ and KBZ)
    • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 5 = 1 homeworld (Andoria), 4 other major worlds
    • As of 2320.Q1 - 1 Constellation-A (4) [Triada], Starbase I (7) = 12D
    • Notes: No change.
    Tellar Sector – Requires D7 (supported by SBZ)
    • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 4 = 1 homeworld (Tellar Prime), 3 other major worlds
    • As of 2320.Q1 – 1 Constellation-A (4) [Challorn], Starbase I (7), Extra Outposts (5) = 16D.
    • Notes: No change.
    Amarkia Sector – Requires D7 (supported by SBZ)
    • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 4 = 1 homeworld (Amarkia), 3 other major worlds
    • As of 2320.Q1 - 1 Constitution-B (5) [Exeter], Starbase I (7), Extra Outposts (5) = 17D
    • Notes: No change
    Ferasa Sector – Requires D10 (supported by KBZ)
    • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 5 = 2 homeworlds (Ferasa, Risa), 3 other major worlds)
    • As of 2320.Q1 – 1 Constitution-B (5) [Defiant], Starbase I (7) = 18D
    Rigel Sector – Requires D7 (supported by LBZ and SBZ and HBZ)
    • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 4 = 1 homeworlds (Rigel), 3 other major worlds
    • As of 2320.Q1- 1 Constellation-A (4) [Vigour], Starbase I (7) = 11D
    • Notes: No change.
    Apinae Sector – Requires D10 (supported by CBZ and SBZ)
    • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 6 = 2 homeworlds (Apinae, Indoria), 4 other major worlds
    • As of 2320.Q1 - 1 Constitution-B (5) [Valiant], 2 Starbase I (14) [Grand Hive of Apinae, Indorian Starbase], Extra Outposts [5] = 24D
    Alukk Sector – Requires D7 (supported by no border zone)
    • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 5 = 1 homeworld (Alukk), 4 other major worlds
    • As of 2320.Q1 – 1 Constitution-B (5) [Hood], 1 Starbase (7) [Alukk Station] = 12D
    Rethelia Sector – Requires D12 (supported by CBZ)
    • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 8 = 4 homeworlds (Rethelia, Fiiral, Arqueniou, Ashidi), 4 other major worlds
    • As of 2320.Q1 - 1 Renaissance (5) [Torch], 1 Starbase I (7) [Rethelia Starbase] = 12D
    Romulan Border Zone – Requires D15 (Supports Vulcan and Andoria sectors)
    • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 1 major world (Solitude)
    • As of 2320.Q1 - 2 Centaur-A (6) [Cloudburst, Typhoon], 1 Miranda-A (2) [Lion], 1 Oberth (1) [Inspire], Starbase I (7) = 16D
    • 2320.Q2- 1 Constellation-A (4) [Stalwart], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Typhoon], 1 Oberth (1) [Inspire], Starbase I (7) = 15D
    • Notes: In 2320.Q2 the Stalwart arrives from refit, the Lion is sent to Themis Border Zone, and the Cloudburst to the SBZ.
    Klingon Border Zone – Requires D13 (Supports Andor and Ferasa Sectors)
    • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 3 = 1 homeworld (Caldonia), 2 other major worlds
    • As of 2320.Q1 - 1 Constellation-A (4) [Selaya], 1 Miranda-A (2) [Svai], 1 Starbase I (7) [Shrantet] = 13D
    • 2320.Q2 - 1 Constellation-A (4) [Selaya], 1 Miranda-A (2) [Svai], 1 Oberth (1) [Hawking], 1 Starbase I (7) [Shrantet] = 14D
    • Notes: In 2320.Q1 the Hawking goes to Themis border zone. In 2320.Q2 Hawking returns.
    Cardassian Border Zone – Requires D12 (Supports Alukk, Apinae, and Seyek sectors)
    • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: None
    • As of 2320.Q1 - 1 Excelsior-A (6) [Sojourner], 1 Miranda-A (2) [Dryad], 1 Oberth (1) [Torbriel], 1 Starbase I (7) [Lapycorias] = 16D
    • Notes: In 2320.Q1, Salnas goes into refit and is replaced by Sojourner.
    Sydraxian Border Zone – Requires D11 (Supports Apinae, Amarkia, Tellar, Sol, and Rigel sectors)
    • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 2 major worlds (Vega, Klivvar Proxima)
    • As of 2320.Q1 – 2 Renaissance (10) [Emancipation, Suffrage], Starbase I (7) [Vega] = 17D
    • 2320.Q2 – 2 Renaissance (10) [Emancipation, Suffrage], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Cloudburst], Starbase I (7) [Vega] = 20D
    • Notes: In 2320.Q2, the Cloudburst arrives from the RBZ.
    Licori Border Zone – Requires D11 (Supports Sol and Rigel sectors)
    • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 4 = 1 homeworld (Paddah), 3 other major worlds
    • As of 2320.Q1 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Rru'adorr], 1 Constitution-B (5) [Lexington] = 11D
    • Notes: No change.
    Horizon Border Zone – Requires D9 (Supports Rigel sector)
    • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 9 = 6 homeworlds (Kelowna, Laian, Wumei, Vail, Obar, Okatha), 3 other major worlds
    • As of 2319.Q3 - 1 Constitution-A (5) [Cheron], 1 Constellation-A (4) [Gerzzi], 1 Constitution-B (5) [Korolev] = 14D
    • Notes: No change.
    Themis Border Zone – Requires D7 (Supports Apinae, Alukk, Rethelia, Ferasa sectors)
    • Homeworlds/Major Worlds in sector: 0
    • As of 2320.Q1 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Pleezirra], 1 Oberth (1) [Hawking] = D7
    • 2320.Q2 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Pleezirra], 1 Miranda-A (2) [Lion] = D8
    • Notes: In 2320.Q1, Pleezirra arrives from Ferasa sector and Hawking from KBZ. In 2320.Q2 the Lion arrives from the RBZ and the Hawking goes back to the KBZ.
    Gabriel Border Zone – Requirement Left to Starfleet judgment
    • 2320.Q1 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Avandar], 1 Constitution-B (5) [Saratoga], 2 Centaur-A (6) [Winterwind, Zephyr (B)], 4 Renaissance (20) [Epiphany, Reason, Insight, Kir'shara], 10 Miranda-A (20) [T'Kumbra, Bon Vivant, Shield, Intrepid, Eketha, Eclipse, Firefly, Calypso, Dynamo, Clarion] = 67 C.


    [X] [FLEET] Briefvoice 8 points of ships (40 pp, call up one cargo ship)
    - 2 Riala-A (4pts), 1 Orion Nelhiar Savings & Loans Enforcer (1pt), 1 Little Queenship (1pt), 2 Orion Molhane Patrol Escorts (1 pt), 2 Apinae Stingers (1pt) = All go to Anti-EE task Forces


    [X] [TASK] Form Task Force: Aqua
    Task Force Aqua – Expires when Eternal Empire threat ended
    • Mission: [Race the Empress to her Fleet]
    • Commander: Diego Zaardmani - +1S on Flagship, Re-roll first failed Science check each year
    • Attachments: Vulcan Science Academy Archaeology Team: 5 pp on purchase, 3pp per year. Effect: +1 to first roll involving archaeology a quarter; Onion Navy Aerocommando Orbital Drop Company: 5pp on Purchase, 10pp per year. Effect: Reroll first failed Away Team Combat roll per quarter. Does not fulfill a Peacekeeper requirement. Enables Raid Events (like Anoxa or Sdranach).
    • As of 2320.Q1 - 1 Excelsior-A [Endurance], 1 Centaur-A [Yukikaze (B)], 1 Oberth [T'Mir (V)], 1 Miranda-A [Agile (B)], 1 Constellation-A [Docana (B)]

    [X] [TASK] Form Task Force: Burgundy (Larger version)
    • Task Force Burgundy – Expires when Eternal Empire threat ended
    • Mission: [Hunt Down Eternal Empire Forces]
    • Commander: Commodore Saavik - Re-roll the first Hard event failed each year
    • Attachments: Yoyodyne Research Team: 5pp on Purchase, 5pp per year. Enables reroll on first failed D-Test each quarter.; Starfleet Tactical Brass: 10pp on Purchase, 0pp per year. Enables coordination events with other powers.; Starfleet Intelligence Operations Team: 5pp on Purchase, 5pp per year. Effect: Enables Raid Events.; Amarki Gendarmes: 5pp on Purchase, 5pp per year. Effect: +1C for Away Team action, fulfills a Peacekeeper requirement attached to a Mission or event
    • As of 2320.Q1 – 2 Excelsior-A [Thirishar (B), Kumari (B)], 2 Riala-A [Amarki Explorer], 2 Renaissances [Justice, Enlightenment], 2 Centaur-A [Gale (B), Bull (B)], 1 Little Queenship [Apinae Cruiser], 2 Stingers [Apinae Frigates]


    [X] [TASK] Form Task Force: Jade
    Task Force Jade - Expires when Eternal Empire threat ended
    • Mission: [Deny the Empress allies and secure your own]
    • Commander: Min-Jee Lee - +1 P on flagship
    • Attachments: FDS Diplomatic Team. Cost: 5pp on Purchase, 5pp per year. Effect: Reroll first failed Diplomatic Roll each quarter (COST ALREADY PAID THIS YEAR. FORMERLY IN AQUA)
    • As of 2320.Q1 – Spirit [Excelsior-A], 1 Orion Nelhiar Savings & Loans Enforcer [Orion cruiser], 2 Molhane Patrol Escorts [Orion frigates]
    Adhoc vote count started by Jenny on Oct 22, 2017 at 7:12 PM, finished with 127 posts and 14 votes.
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    I think that point system for calling member fleet ships has a little flaw. Players are motivated to completely ignore small escorts. For example, if we want to pull some frigates from Betazed, then choice between Patroller-A and Centaur-A is obvious.

    I would love to see an additional category for escorts under 500kt (400? 666.66?) costing 0.25 points.
     
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    Congratulations, we're now at 295pp! The last time we had a snakepit with less than 400pp was ... five years ago in 2315 with 185pp ;)
     
    Some small under 400kt escorts from member fleets

    Caldonian Escort [391k t] C2 S2 H1 L2 P1 D1 (outdated piece of crap)
    Patroller-A [371k t] C2 S3 H1 L3 P2 D2 (two of those may be a choice over larger frigate for missions that require area coverage)
    Mekpali Light Escort [341k t] C4 S3 H3 L3 P3 D3 (Why is this little thing better than Centaur-A? Is it correct?)
    Risan Light Corvette[370k t] C1 S1 H1 L1 P3 D3 (will get +1S, 1P, +1D after refits. 4 Presence ship for 0.25 points can be viable for some task forces.)
     
    OneirosTheWriter said:
    Yes, but on the other hand, what's the readiness level of the Orion Union's military, and what percentage of their fleet was able to respond to the arrival of the OA :V
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    I actually thought that was less about the quality of the ships and more about the readiness of the Orion Union crew and logistics. But if ship reliability is being used, at least informally, for ship downtimes, than I suppose that counts for something.

    Does that mean we need to care about reliability again in ship design? Vebyast's webapp notably doesn't include reliability since it's thought to be unused.
     
    lbmaian said:
    I actually thought that was less about the quality of the ships and more about the readiness of the Orion Union crew and logistics. But if ship reliability is being used, at least informally, for ship downtimes, than I suppose that counts for something.

    Does that mean we need to care about reliability again in ship design? Vebyast's webapp notably doesn't include reliability since it's thought to be unused.
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    Don't extrapolate further. It has had to be applied to the Orion Union because they were particularly aggressive with the reliability and it would be improper to not counterbalance it.
     
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