Theunderbolt
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Every ship captain that goes out into the deep and faces off against the unknown is an EC captain to me!
It should in the shape of a ship doing precision phaser strikes against a giant rock,
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Every ship captain that goes out into the deep and faces off against the unknown is an EC captain to me!
It should in the shape of a ship doing precision phaser strikes against a giant rock,
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Definitely want either an intelligence report or maybe some diplomacy with the Hishmeri soon. We clearly need to keep an eye on them...
So casting our eyes out further, here are newly available ships starting a year from now, in 2320.Q4.
Fleet Strength/Requirements Changes
2320.Q4 – Excelsior-A [40 Eridani Berth A] launches
2320.Q4 – Excelsior-A [40 Eridani Berth B] launches
2320.Q4 – Centaur-A [UP Berth 3] launches
2320.Q4 – Centaur-A [UP Berth 4] launches
2320.Q4 – Centaur-A [UP Berth 5] launches
2320.Q4 – Centaur-A [UP Berth 3] goes into refit, ETC 2321.Q4
2320.Q4 – Centaur-A [UP Berth 4] goes into refit, ETC 2321.Q4
2320.Q4 – Centaur-A [UP Berth 5] goes into refit, ETC 2321.Q4
2320.Q4 – New Member Sector (Risa?) goes into effect
2321.Q1 – Renaissance [40 Eridani Berth 1] launches, replacing Bull
2321.Q1 – Bull [Centaur-A] goes into refit, ETC 2322.Q1
2321.Q1 – Salnas Returns from refit as Excelsior-A, replaces Pathfinder*
2321.Q1 – Excelsior-A [UP Berth A] launches, replaces Avandar*
2321.Q1 – Excelsior-A [UP Berth C] launches
2321.Q1 – Pathfinder goes into refit, ETC 2322.Q1
2321.Q1 – Avandar goes into refit, ETC 2322.Q1
2321.Q2 – Renaissance [LOCF Berth 1] launches, replacing Zephyr
2321.Q2 – Zephyr [Centaur-A] goes into refit, ETC 2322.Q2
2321.Q2 – Centaur-A [UP Berth Z] launches
2321.Q2 – Centaur-A [UP Berth Y] launches
2321.Q2 – Centaur-A [UP Berth Y] goes into refit, ETC 2322.Q2
2321.Q3 – Renaissance [Oreasa S Berth 1] launches, replacing Yukikaze
2321.Q3 – Yukikaze[Centaur-A] goes into refit, ETC 2322.Q3
*Doesn't have to be Pathfinder/Avandar, but these should be switched out for some unrefitted Excelsior. Other two options are the Pleezirra or the Rru'adorr.
So let me bottom line that for you. Assuming the threat of the Eternal Empire continues, we're going to have the following new ships available to start a new Task Force or reinforce an existing task force or sector:
Thoughts?
Fleet Strength/Requirements Changes
2320.Q4 – Excelsior-A [40 Eridani Berth A] launches
2320.Q4 – Excelsior-A [40 Eridani Berth B] launches
2320.Q4 – Centaur-A [UP Berth 3] launches
2320.Q4 – Centaur-A [UP Berth 4] launches
2320.Q4 – Centaur-A [UP Berth 5] launches
2320.Q4 – Centaur-A [UP Berth 3] goes into refit, ETC 2321.Q4
2320.Q4 – Centaur-A [UP Berth 4] goes into refit, ETC 2321.Q4
2320.Q4 – Centaur-A [UP Berth 5] goes into refit, ETC 2321.Q4
2320.Q4 – New Member Sector (Risa?) goes into effect
2321.Q1 – Renaissance [40 Eridani Berth 1] launches, replacing Bull
2321.Q1 – Bull [Centaur-A] goes into refit, ETC 2322.Q1
2321.Q1 – Salnas Returns from refit as Excelsior-A, replaces Pathfinder*
2321.Q1 – Excelsior-A [UP Berth A] launches, replaces Avandar*
2321.Q1 – Excelsior-A [UP Berth C] launches
2321.Q1 – Pathfinder goes into refit, ETC 2322.Q1
2321.Q1 – Avandar goes into refit, ETC 2322.Q1
2321.Q2 – Renaissance [LOCF Berth 1] launches, replacing Zephyr
2321.Q2 – Zephyr [Centaur-A] goes into refit, ETC 2322.Q2
2321.Q2 – Centaur-A [UP Berth Z] launches
2321.Q2 – Centaur-A [UP Berth Y] launches
2321.Q2 – Centaur-A [UP Berth Y] goes into refit, ETC 2322.Q2
2321.Q3 – Renaissance [Oreasa S Berth 1] launches, replacing Yukikaze
2321.Q3 – Yukikaze[Centaur-A] goes into refit, ETC 2322.Q3
*Doesn't have to be Pathfinder/Avandar, but these should be switched out for some unrefitted Excelsior. Other two options are the Pleezirra or the Rru'adorr.
So let me bottom line that for you. Assuming the threat of the Eternal Empire continues, we're going to have the following new ships available to start a new Task Force or reinforce an existing task force or sector:
- 3 Excelsior-As (2 in 2320.Q4, 1 in 2320.Q1)
- 1 Centaur-A (2321.Q1)
Thoughts?
I thought the plan was to have the Centaur-A new builds deployed into service and refit 3 other Centaur-As including one blooded. You dont want UP berths cluttered up with refits because the parallel build bonus doesn't apply. The idea was to build additional Centaur-Bs when those were done with possibly a Renaisance and a freighter in there too. In short you would have 2 additional green Centaur-A's as well as the Excelisor-As
It really doesn't matter.
If we want to start the Kepler wave as soon as possible, there's no space in those berths to build anything else before Keplers start, so might as well do the refits in the UP berths.
I don't see any point in starting new Centaur-Bs later than 2321.Q1. After that we might as well build Keplers instead, while we're waiting for the Generalist frigate prototype to finish.
I think we will want an Excelsior in the Risa sector. Iirc we never sent an EC mission in that direction, so we know almost nothing about that area. I would expect an inflated number of events to happen there just for exposition reasons, at least until we get to know our local neighbours.
Chaos Blade
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All Vulcans can be hardcore; just ask the Klingons how they used to say hello.
I can't help but wonder if the Andorians and Tellarites in our UFP all think the current Pacifist leaning Vulcan politics as a recent and unnatural fad, and the way Solitude turned Hawk in the last election was a return to the natural state of things...
(E: The Romulans of course know it is, and probably would accuse their cousins of being lematyas in er...the equivalent of sheep clothing.)
Oh, the truth is that the Vulcans are bidding their time, it is the logical thing to do, after all.
And when the time comes.... it is going to be logic for everybody, even the Romulans... specially the Romulans.
Unless you believe the whole Vulcan/Romulan split is one massive con, not many people do that, and most who do are simply washed out losers that decide to restart their lives in the beta quadrant frontier sooner or latter
EDIT: Exeter's CO deserves a commendation, but the Captain of the Salnas? that calls for a new sort of price: a medal with a simple legend: "For doing something deemed too crazy even for Kirk"
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Reserving most commentary until I've actually read the 4300-word Captain's Log post, buuut...
Plus one leftover from before the log.
If so, it sounds like the Soviet system's need for extremely harsh punishments of failures was in essence "required" as a response to a problem of the USSR's own making, namely the lack of accountability within the normal functioning of the system. Create a system where only retirement or death can end a factory manager's career, and if you want them out of the picture against their will, you have no recourse but to shoot them.*
I can see the logic behind arguing that IF you have a de facto aristocracy or ruling elite. If the upper ranks of your society have enough ties to the top-ranking nomenklatura, and are so influential, then this can become a problem. If in the normal course of things the system has no means of applying negative incentives to them... To be fair, in that case, I can see you saying that the only way to keep them accountable is with extreme measures. Giving them something to fear, when otherwise they would have nothing to fear, by using the full force of the oppressive, legalistic state as a sledgehammer on the worst offenders to keep the rest in line.
However, societies don't have to work this way, and high-functioning modern ones usually don't.
So I might amend my point to note that you only need maximally brutal and bloody punishments when you are trying to exercise control over a group of people who are normally above the law, and normally act accordingly. That is precisely because all normal mechanisms societies use to restrain powerful individuals with "soft power" and incremental incentives are failing to work, due to a breakdown in the society's incentive structure.
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*Just to be very clear I am not saying that the sentence this footnote spawns from is 100% accurate, that the USSR literally had no way to remove a factory manager short of retirement or death. I am simplifying so that the idea I'm trying to express is reasonably clear.
The Hishmeri being a divided species, it could even result in both.
Also, the Hishmeri might well start poking around there, and it's not so far from Orion space that one of those old Empire depots (or other assets) couldn't be there.
Plus one leftover from before the log.
Duly noted.
If so, it sounds like the Soviet system's need for extremely harsh punishments of failures was in essence "required" as a response to a problem of the USSR's own making, namely the lack of accountability within the normal functioning of the system. Create a system where only retirement or death can end a factory manager's career, and if you want them out of the picture against their will, you have no recourse but to shoot them.*
I can see the logic behind arguing that IF you have a de facto aristocracy or ruling elite. If the upper ranks of your society have enough ties to the top-ranking nomenklatura, and are so influential, then this can become a problem. If in the normal course of things the system has no means of applying negative incentives to them... To be fair, in that case, I can see you saying that the only way to keep them accountable is with extreme measures. Giving them something to fear, when otherwise they would have nothing to fear, by using the full force of the oppressive, legalistic state as a sledgehammer on the worst offenders to keep the rest in line.
However, societies don't have to work this way, and high-functioning modern ones usually don't.
So I might amend my point to note that you only need maximally brutal and bloody punishments when you are trying to exercise control over a group of people who are normally above the law, and normally act accordingly. That is precisely because all normal mechanisms societies use to restrain powerful individuals with "soft power" and incremental incentives are failing to work, due to a breakdown in the society's incentive structure.
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*Just to be very clear I am not saying that the sentence this footnote spawns from is 100% accurate, that the USSR literally had no way to remove a factory manager short of retirement or death. I am simplifying so that the idea I'm trying to express is reasonably clear.
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1. That horny monk has apparently been playing the field for quite some time - I kinda wish that could be reversed on the Honiani, but I suppose a certain amount of anger had already embedded in to the population by the time of the revelations.
2. The Hishmeri clearly need to have closer tabs kept on them - well, the ships of that particular clan at the least. And maybe a bit of hinting to the other clans that Starfleet is Not Very Amused at their fellows.
2a. A problem is that the Hishmeri migration to Ashalla Pact space might allow them to be something of an intermediary between the current problem and the one in the wings.
3. On the bright side, there's probably only the two ships that can try and contact the Cardassians... and they're needed to go around hunting down other facilities. So the failed attempt at diplomatic contact should have had an opportunity cost.
4. I wonder how much the Empress is aware of the political circumstances - yes, she's got two massive ships and a bunch of drone cruisers, but she's effectively fighting a polity a lot larger than her... and she's unlikely to be welcomed by anyone (even the Orions), and managing to control a population in a meaningful sense needs that cooperation or sufficient numbers to do so. She's aware enough to try and head to the Pact to seek allies... how much does she still believe the baloney she was fed by the woman who woke her up and she stated in her announcement about Orions being a subjugated species and such?
5. I'm starting to feel like Starfleet should start to draw on member fleets to crush her - or at least intimidate her into coming to the diplomatic table. It feels like there's little the task force is going to do to actually make headway against her - only taking defensive shots at blocking her actions, with any failure leading to being in a worse situation (Hishmeri sect today, maybe another tomorrow... or another attempt at the Pact succeeds... or she picks up dreadnaught #3). It's not really an entirely rational feeling - it's early days yet, etc etc - granted.
I suppose it's because I feel like there's nearly always been a Federation-level crisis going on - that there's no break from crisis management. So there's an urge to just crush a crisis at any cost, in the hope that that will lead to a bit of a breather before the Cardassians decide the treaty of Celos is a hindrance... or Harmony will manage to somehow yoink the Honiani in a manner that naturally leads to a massive dilemma for Starfleet... or the other Hishmeri clans get bribed by the Cardassians to slow down and do some serious cooperative raiding.
2. The Hishmeri clearly need to have closer tabs kept on them - well, the ships of that particular clan at the least. And maybe a bit of hinting to the other clans that Starfleet is Not Very Amused at their fellows.
2a. A problem is that the Hishmeri migration to Ashalla Pact space might allow them to be something of an intermediary between the current problem and the one in the wings.
3. On the bright side, there's probably only the two ships that can try and contact the Cardassians... and they're needed to go around hunting down other facilities. So the failed attempt at diplomatic contact should have had an opportunity cost.
4. I wonder how much the Empress is aware of the political circumstances - yes, she's got two massive ships and a bunch of drone cruisers, but she's effectively fighting a polity a lot larger than her... and she's unlikely to be welcomed by anyone (even the Orions), and managing to control a population in a meaningful sense needs that cooperation or sufficient numbers to do so. She's aware enough to try and head to the Pact to seek allies... how much does she still believe the baloney she was fed by the woman who woke her up and she stated in her announcement about Orions being a subjugated species and such?
5. I'm starting to feel like Starfleet should start to draw on member fleets to crush her - or at least intimidate her into coming to the diplomatic table. It feels like there's little the task force is going to do to actually make headway against her - only taking defensive shots at blocking her actions, with any failure leading to being in a worse situation (Hishmeri sect today, maybe another tomorrow... or another attempt at the Pact succeeds... or she picks up dreadnaught #3). It's not really an entirely rational feeling - it's early days yet, etc etc - granted.
I suppose it's because I feel like there's nearly always been a Federation-level crisis going on - that there's no break from crisis management. So there's an urge to just crush a crisis at any cost, in the hope that that will lead to a bit of a breather before the Cardassians decide the treaty of Celos is a hindrance... or Harmony will manage to somehow yoink the Honiani in a manner that naturally leads to a massive dilemma for Starfleet... or the other Hishmeri clans get bribed by the Cardassians to slow down and do some serious cooperative raiding.
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I'm surprised that hasn't been an option yet.
I mean, her first interception at Celos was Orion led tho
Regarding always a crisis
The Federation was born out of a defensive pact against the Romulans. It has survived a war with the Klingons.
It survived the serial crisis that Kirk kept finding.
Then it had a nice quiet decade or two with only internal domestic issues. (See Admirals Cartwright and Rogers)
Then we got involved ......
The Federation was born out of a defensive pact against the Romulans. It has survived a war with the Klingons.
It survived the serial crisis that Kirk kept finding.
Then it had a nice quiet decade or two with only internal domestic issues. (See Admirals Cartwright and Rogers)
Then we got involved ......
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Crisis? You've only had two crisis since the game started.
Everything else is just the ordinary bustle of running a fifteen-species strong Federation.
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what
a somewhat heavy handed police action
a blood disagreement about R&D safety
and on going diplomatic disagreement with cardasian
apart from those thing i think we have done pretty well diplomatic wise
a somewhat heavy handed police action
a blood disagreement about R&D safety
and on going diplomatic disagreement with cardasian
apart from those thing i think we have done pretty well diplomatic wise
Theunderbolt
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Mentats I would think.
The whole Gabriel thing is a border dispute technically.
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I'm not sure how that's fair, it's not like Hayant is an affiliate of ours or anything... It'd only seem to me to be a problem if the Cardassians agree to help her subvert stuff in our space, which to be fair they probably would, right?
Leslie:
"Wait, you detonated torpedoes. At high warp. And tried to predict what would happen in subspace... that's... that's..."
[Old '60s-era navigator training aches]
[does Spacegoogle search]
"Well I will be double-dog damned. They have made some progress on that since I last checked. Huh. Still, that list of data-crunching processes makes my eyes water; I can't blame the old Orions for not looking into it, or forgetting about it if they did."
Leslie:
"Oh no. Oh no no no. Not with that many safeties off, through that many density gradients, without the deflector firmware upgrades... ah Klono's carballoy claws, this is NOT going to end well..."
Leslie:
"...I would not have thought of that. I'm not sure Kirk would have thought of that. That was impressive. Now, you crazy copper-boiled son of a berserk android and a torpedo tube, DON'T TRY IT AGAIN!"
Leslie:
"Oh hell he's trying it again..."
Leslie:
[strangled noises]
Leslie:
"Wait what."
Docana:
"YAAAY Constellation-class SCIENCE VESSELS win the day woohoo!"
[bounces]
"Time adventures are fun! Gloomy captains are sad.
"Leslie:
"...I think this is the only thing that happened all month that I'm sure I understand... so... proud..."
[sheds single tear]
#ConniePride
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You know what haasn't happened in a log in a while? A good old fashioned body swap.
Methinks its time for another transporter accident.
Methinks its time for another transporter accident.
Yer Quote Boxes are broken. It starts after "Leslie strangled noises"
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Spotted it, but thanks.
Yeah. I'm not sure she actually grasps that the Federation is big and civilized enough that negotiating with us is a good idea. Garita (name?) has been feeding her much of her information on the modern galaxy and she has a very large axe to grind.
On the other hand, what could we even give her, that she would consider a meaningful compromise? She believes herself to be rightful ruler of an Orion race that runs on the premise of species supremacy through more advanced technology and through ruthless enslavement of aliens. We're not going to bow down to Orion overladies, we're not going to let her actually snatch Orion planets from the Union... the best she could hope for from us would be if we just let any residual Orion monarchists emigrate to new colonies of her own founding. And I don't think she'd accept that, and I don't think we'd want that. Humbling her is a prerequisite for an outcome our Council is likely to accept, and she's not going to take well to being humbled.
Also, this has got to be freaking weird for the Orions. Like, how would the modern Chinese feel if Qin Shihuangdi arose from his tomb at the head of eight thousand supernatural terracotta warriors and started trying to claim chunks of Asia in the name of himself? How would the British feel if King Arthur showed up and promptly invaded France or the Netherlands, and it looked like he might somehow win?
No, that was business as usual. That was just the wartime machinery coming into play to deal with a strategic threat on the frontier. A 'crisis' is when you have an outside context problem of some kind, or that's my interpretation.
Now, if they'd somehow triggered a supernova that was spreading across the quadrant at Warp 2.5 due to spatiotemporal bullshit and we had to frantically build planetary shields and evacuate minor colonies in a spreading wave throughout Federation space, THAT would be a "crisis."
Empress Hayant is a crisis. The Biophage was a (larger, hairier) crisis. Everything else? Business as usual, or at least within the envelope of it.
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Eh, I guess I consider "crisis" to be somewhat broader than "Biophage and the Empress". The Konen offensive, the Syndicate campaign and even the Mentat War count to my mind.
Logically I can say "well, considering the range of space, it's reasonable for there to be something of key importance happening"... but less logically, I think of Star Trek (or other long-running setting with chronologies) timelines and remember seeing years where nothing really all that threatening happening - that there's occasional 'breaks' that make the crises graver in contrast, the important events standing out in comparison. The taste of peace, as it were - as almost all said crises seem to involve military force.
Perhaps "crisis" isn't the right term to use - especially as you consider that term to refer to "out of context" problems as opposed to "business as usual" issues. Perhaps "problem that must be solved with large-scale violence" is a better phrase?
I mean, Star Trek canon had those, and had some pretty massive ones to boot, but they felt a lot more spread out, I suppose. Here we have a pair just about back-to-back - the Konen-led conflict happens under a year before the Empress revives, I believe. And both are (or look to be, in the latter case) 'pure' military concerns - the Biophage had quite a bit of science and medical effort involved, along with some fairly intense diplomacy, for example, while the Syndicate campaign had a lot of law enforcement and investigatory action.
Finagle007
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We really need to find a means to break the Ashalla Pact and incorporate Cardassia into the Federation. If only to avoid this:
And this:
And this:
