Are we going to call it the Niagara class?
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Are we going to call it the Niagara class?
[X][KEP] S8/P4/D5 Kepler with rec by Nix
Forgothrax
Not Going Gently
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I'd like to hear your reasoning for the P4. This is significantly cutting into the Kepler's ability to hold down peace time event response, and to take over for our Excelsiors in time of war. S8 does not help us significantly for event response. It makes the Kepler better in the Scout role, yes, but this is and should he a rare occurrence. Moreover, if we need a S8 Kepler for some reason it is easy enough to conduct a power system refit and add a Science Module after the prototype completes. And if not, using the S7/P5/D5 model means that by 2332 we can refit up to S9 P6 D6 easily.
S8 is overkill and defeats the purpose of the Kepler. If we need a superscout, we can build one.
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We can also do a refit to P5 or higher later, so that's not really an argument either way. We don't definitely know how important either stat will be to event response (we know neither the DCs nor the distribution of the different stat checks with any degree of certainty), a higher stat could be overkill more often, particularly if the DCs aren't adjusted and no higher success thresholds introduced, but the Kepler in particular could be responding to a lot more science events than events that involve presence. Also the design is significantly cheaper. The variant without module even 15 SR cheaper.
For most presence events I would prefer to send an Excelsior or Renaissance anyway because often failure could mean combat breaking out, and avoiding having higher P than the Renaissance means the Kepler won't be picked ahead of it for such missions.
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Nervos Belli
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[X][KEP] S7/P5/D5 Kepler with rec by SWB
Thors_Alumni
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tally time
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So can we get more frame sizes? It seems we are pretty limited on frame sizes...
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[X][KEP] S7/P5/D5 Kepler with rec by SWB
I'm surprised other people are surprised, I thought this was the intent from the beginning.
Hell, I've been expecting those crazy miners to crash into the Klingon's flank every time we've had a War Update.
On one hand, Berserkers, Great. This thing will keep killing until Sappho takes it out.
On the other hand, if Sappho captures it intact we can get drone weapons of our own! Come on Sappho, score big! Hogtie that bot and bring it back home!
Sappho, I'm making my 'I'm disappointed in you' face.
No Nash, Starfleet Geology Command will never let you forget that one.
Who needs Nash Magic when you have Chad Magic! Vol Chad for Commader, Starfleet 23XX!
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
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So how long until the cosmozoan joins Starfleet and becomes captain of a ship?
Thors_Alumni
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Is the Starfleet Academy on earth the only one in the Federation? Or are there Satellite campuses for students that are coming in from the opposite side of Federation Space closer to the Cardassian border? If it doesn't have on Amarkia should have a second main Starfleet Academy based on it.
Winged One
Not the Simurgh
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Millenia, if it happens at all. They'll need to evolve intelligence first.
It's been repeated over and over that we have many many campus locations. It is not just Earth.
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Thanks I was confused about that.
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You'll have to uplift it to sapience first.
I believe there were some mentats working on that...
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Cardassian ships use conscript crews and don't respond to all the same kinds of events we do anyway. It's not clear if they have a veterancy mechanic.
That sounds optional, and at 40pp we may have to do without it. Pushing the Licori seems more important in my book, because they're the ones the Romulans are actively courting.
Because it's 20% heavier, maybe even a little more with the refits. What they have is basically an uparmored Renaissance with +1S -1D, and given that they're accepting two hundred thousand tons of extra hull (that is, the size of a pair of Nimitz-class supercarriers) in extra weight), improvement's to the ship's armor scheme and shielding are to be expected.
It's a size issue. We're limited in the maximum size of cruiser we're comfortable building by the mass of one-megaton berths we have, a size that was presumably originally intended to fit the old Constitution-class explorers back in the last century. By contrast, the Cardassians do not labor under such a restriction, and can build cruisers that are just plain bigger. With equal or only-slightly inferior technology, that inevitably means the Cardassians can build a superior ship.
Yeah, come to think of it we're going to have to be careful telling those apart with four co-GMs.
Two of them being deployed in the Expanse would make sense given how many surveying operations there are to do there.
[twitches]
There is only one 'O' in "Romulan." There are two 'A's in the word.
So?
To be quite honest, it's pretty clear in hindsight that the main reason the Romulan Neutral Zone ever existed is that the Romulans wanted it, because they were afraid. If they don't feel a need for the Zone anymore, then maybe it would be for the best if it becomes a part of history rather than current events, mucas the Berlin Wall.
[X][KEP] S8/P4/D5 Kepler with rec by Nix
For some odd reason the vote tally was not counting my previous vote. Trying again.
For some odd reason the vote tally was not counting my previous vote. Trying again.
Is this quest the most enormous quest to yet grace SV yet? If not, it certainly seems like we're headed that way.
How close did we come to disaster in the Enio campaign? From the tone of the updates, it seems like we came rather close to disaster.
However, the Cardassians can't be happy right now. The Federation is consistently winning battles with them and their clients.
Between the stresses of the constant expansion of the Federation, the Cardassians, the Horizon and the still dangerous Klingons and Romulans, I am starting to feel like we may need a funding increase soon (especially if that funding increase boosts recruitment as well).
I feel people are being a little causal about the Somtaw situation. Romulan trade with the Somtaw is to be welcomed, but I'd like to see if we can keep the Somtaw as friendly to the Federation as they are to the Romulans.
I am concerned by the Horizonite science ship.
That's deployed now, and rather better than the Kepler versions we're discussing (though maybe the cruiser frame makes it worse for some jobs).
As to the Kepler, I am not sure of what to vote for. (The current leading option seems quite adequate, at least.) This talk of modules being added later is rather confusing. I'd also like the Kepler to have good upgrade potential (since we'll be building alot of them and they are so useful, it seems wise to make sure that they'll have a long working life). Which options have the best upgrade potential?
Is S8, P5, D5 possible with current tech?
(And it does seem to me that it is worth having expensive and good ships rather than numerous and cheap ships in this role.)
fasquardon
How close did we come to disaster in the Enio campaign? From the tone of the updates, it seems like we came rather close to disaster.
However, the Cardassians can't be happy right now. The Federation is consistently winning battles with them and their clients.
Between the stresses of the constant expansion of the Federation, the Cardassians, the Horizon and the still dangerous Klingons and Romulans, I am starting to feel like we may need a funding increase soon (especially if that funding increase boosts recruitment as well).
I feel people are being a little causal about the Somtaw situation. Romulan trade with the Somtaw is to be welcomed, but I'd like to see if we can keep the Somtaw as friendly to the Federation as they are to the Romulans.
I am concerned by the Horizonite science ship.
That's deployed now, and rather better than the Kepler versions we're discussing (though maybe the cruiser frame makes it worse for some jobs).
As to the Kepler, I am not sure of what to vote for. (The current leading option seems quite adequate, at least.) This talk of modules being added later is rather confusing. I'd also like the Kepler to have good upgrade potential (since we'll be building alot of them and they are so useful, it seems wise to make sure that they'll have a long working life). Which options have the best upgrade potential?
Is S8, P5, D5 possible with current tech?
(And it does seem to me that it is worth having expensive and good ships rather than numerous and cheap ships in this role.)
fasquardon
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Just sensors, a few variant protein re-sequences, an early prototype of the Genesis device, and some coolant dispensor systems.
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Not without some very significant sacrifice. Options include:
- No recreation and being limited in deployment to interior sectors.
- No warp core eject system.
- No actual weapons (which would almost certainly have consequences, just like lacking recreation does). Perhaps dropping to C1 but retaining a pea shooter would work, haven't tried it.
- Dropping shields to L3.
These aren't really comparable designs at all. A 1.6mt cruiser will have a very different maximum capability to a 1mt frigate thanks to the massive difference in size and cost, and is deployed in different circumstances. In addition, recent discussion in the SDB thread has revealed a reluctance to allow cruisers to scout/skirmish, so it's not likely the Scientist-class fills that role; it seems a pure-bred event responder.
All designs have limited upgrade potential, not considering fitting a module. Fitting a module is easiest on Nix's design but could be refit on any other design too with a refit project.
Only if you accept no warp core ejection system. e: Nix gives a fuller explanation above.
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Depends on how you count.
With all threadmarks, including Omake it seems to have the highest wordcount. Without omake propably not quite.
By number of pages/posts it's definitly not the biggest.
Edit: Though there might be some of the older quests, spread out over several threats that are even longer. Difficult to find all especially since some switched between here and SB.
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One of those things is not like the others.
Protein resequencers are our highest tier technology and the one that enables the biggest capability jump for us right now. If the Cardassians can use them on their next generation frigate it would be a disaster.