A potential Horizon Border Zone could use an Amby or two. Otherwise they'd be most useful in the Explorer Corps.

Our Excelsiors and Renaissances are holding down the GBZ just fine.
 
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Important note: The USS Ambassador and USS Enterprise-C are by near consensus booked for FYMs, so the soonest we can have a non-EC Ambassador commissioned is 2325Q3. That's nearly 7 years from now. So talk about warding off Horizonite influence on the Honiani and other affiliates with an Ambassador flagship in an HBZ zone is kind of missing the boat.


Playing around the shipbuild planning some more... That first Amby wave after the initial 2 prototypes could actually number 6 or more, with expected future SR income, and to a lesser extent, expected crew income (since the Amby wave is crewed way into 2324). It depends on how much is spent on other ships (Excelsiors, Renaissances, Centaurs, Keplers).

Assuming this overall build schedule, the options as I see them:
a) 4 EC Amby, 4 non-EC Amby, no EC recruitment drives needed
b) 5 EC Amby, 3 non-EC Amby, 0-1 EC recruitment drives needed (0 to 25pp cost over 0-1 years)
c) 6 EC Amby, 2 non-EC Amby, 2 EC recruitment drives needed (~55pp cost over 2 years)
d) 7 EC Amby, 1 non-EC Amby, 3-4 EC recruitment drives needed (~90 to ~130pp cost over 3-4 years)
e) 8 EC Amby, 0 non-EC Amby, 5 EC recruitment drives needed (~175pp cost over 5 years), need to replace a 2319 Rennie build with a Centaur-A (or nothing) due to 2320 EC recruitment drive causing crew shortage that year

Of course, if 8 Ambassadors by 2325Q3 are considered excessive, we can definitely reduce the Ambassador wave for a larger Kepler wave.
 
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In that case, perhaps we should continue expanding Utopia Planitia after we've laid down our surge of Ambassadors - it would be nice to have enough slipways in Mars orbit to lay down two new Ambassadors per year.
Ambassadors have a construction time of 4.75 Years. With the HIP discount in Sol that drops down to 3.75 years. Due to the odd number of quarters (15) required to build an Ambassador there is no way, at least without ridiculous berth numbers, of neatly laying down two per year.

We can get close though. With six berths we can lay down an Ambassador pair every 1.25 years (5 quarters) and keep all the berths constantly full. With eight berths we can lay down a pair every year but have to let each berth pair sit vacant for a quarter after every build otherwise we'll end up building 2.133 Ambassadors per year, an extra Ambassador every 7.5 years.

Currently we have 4x 3mt berths at UP and 1x 3mt berth at SFFY. The simplest solution would be to just grab an extra 3mt berth at SFFY which gives us six in Sol and that's enough for a pair of Ambassadors every 1.25 years. Given how many years we have until Ambassador mass production becomes possible we could also build up UP to six or eight berths.

Here are some costings:

6x3mt Berths (4@UP + 2@SFFY):
Request Excelsior berth at [SFFY], 37pp, 1.5 year
Total = 37pp + 1.5 years construction

6x3mt Berths (6@UP):
Request development of Utopia Planitia, 28pp, 1 year
Request development of Utopia Planitia, 28pp, 1 year
Total = 56pp + 2 years construction

8x3mt Berths (4@UP + 4@SFFY):
Request Excelsior berth at [SFFY], 37pp, 1.5 year
Request Excelsior berth at [SFFY], 42pp, 1.5 year
Request Excelsior berth at [SFFY], 47pp, 1.5 year
Total = 126pp + 1.5 to 4.5 years construction

8x3mt Berths (6@UP + 2@SFFY):
Request Excelsior berth at [SFFY], 37pp, 1.5 year
Request development of Utopia Planitia, 28pp, 1 year
Request development of Utopia Planitia, 28pp, 1 year
Total = 93pp + 2 to 3.5 years construction

8x3mt Berths (8@UP):
Request development of Utopia Planitia, 28pp, 1 year
Request development of Utopia Planitia, 28pp, 1 year
Request development of Utopia Planitia, 28pp, 1 year
Request development of Utopia Planitia, 28pp, 1 year
Total = 112pp + 4 years construction
 
Are there any efficient explorers being discussed these days? I took a look at per crew and building materials, and yeah, capital ships are pretty bad, in some cases nearly twice as expensive as smaller ships point for point.

This is the sort of thing I normally do in the SDB but here is an efficiency comparison of all the ships currently in production:
Explorers:
Excelsior-A = C7 S6 H4 L6 P6 D6 = 35 Stats
Ambassador = C8 S9 H7 L9 P9 D8 = 50 Stats

Cruisers:
Constellation-A = C3 S4 H2 L3 P3 D4 = 19 Stats
Renaissance = C5 S3 H4 L5 P4 D5 = 26 Stats

Frigates:
Oberth = C1 S5 H1 L2 P1 D0 = 10 Stats
Miranda-A = C3 S2 H2 L3 P1 D2 = 13 Stats
Centaur-A = C3 S3 H2 L3 P3 D3 = 17 Stats

Total Stats:
  1. Ambassador = 50
  2. Excelsior-A = 35
  3. Renaissance = 26
  4. Constellation-A = 19
  5. Centaur-A = 17
  6. Miranda-A = 13
  7. Oberth = 10

Performance (Total Stats) Vs. Cost:
Bulk Resources:
  1. Oberth = 1.5 br/stat
  2. Constellation-A = 3.68 br/stat
  3. Renaissance = 3.85 br/stat
  4. Miranda-A = 4.62 br/stat
  5. Centaur-A = 4.71 br/stat
  6. Ambassador = 6.00 br/stat
  7. Excelsior-A = 6.57 br/stat
Special Resources:
  1. Constellation-A = 2.63 sr/stat
  2. Renaissance = 3.08 sr/stat
  3. Miranda-A = 3.46 sr/stat
  4. Centaur-A = 4.12 sr/stat
  5. Excelsior-A = 4.57 sr/stat
  6. Ambassador = 4.80 sr/stat
  7. Oberth = 6.00 sr/stat
Construction Time:
  1. Ambassador = 1.14 months/stat
  2. Excelsior-A = 1.37 months/stat
  3. Renaissance = 1.38 months/stat
  4. Centaur-A = 1.41 months/stat
  5. Miranda-A = 1.85 months/stat
  6. Constellation-A = 1.89 months/stat
  7. Oberth = 2.40 months/stat
Crew:
  1. Centaur-A = 14.71 people/stat
  2. Miranda-A = 15.38 people/stat
  3. Ambassador = 20.00 people/stat
  4. Constellation-A = 21.05 people/stat
  5. Renaissance = 21.15 people/stat
  6. Excelsior-A = 22.86 people/stat
  7. Oberth = 30.00 people/stat

Performance (Total Stats) Vs. Cost Relative Comparison:
Bulk Resources:
  1. Constellation-A = 100%
  2. Renaissance = 104.62%
  3. Miranda-A = 125.54%
  4. Centaur-A = 127.99%
  5. Ambassador = 163.04%
  6. Excelsior-A = 178.53%

Special Resources:
  1. Constellation-A = 100%
  2. Renaissance = 117.11%
  3. Miranda-A = 131.56%
  4. Centaur-A = 156.65%
  5. Excelsior-A = 173.76%
  6. Ambassador = 182.51%
Construction Time:
  1. Ambassador = 100%
  2. Excelsior-A = 120.18%
  3. Renaissance = 121.05%
  4. Centaur-A = 123.68%
  5. Miranda-A = 162.28%
  6. Constellation-A = 165.79%
Crew:
  1. Centaur-A = 100%
  2. Miranda-A = 104.55%
  3. Ambassador = 135.96%
  4. Constellation-A = 143.10%
  5. Renaissance = 143.78%
  6. Excelsior-A = 155.40%
I removed the Oberth from the above comparison as it heavily screwed the BR which messed with the overall comparison.
Aiming for a close to 400% as possible:
  1. Renaissance = 486.56%
  2. Centaur-A = 508.32%
  3. Constellation-A = 508.89%
  4. Miranda-A = 523.93%
  5. Ambassador = 581.51%
  6. Excelsior-A = 627.87%
So while it's true that our Explorers are significantly less efficient then our smaller ships the Ambassador is significantly closer in efficiency then the Excelsior-A. That the Renaissance stands out as the most efficient ship overall isn't surprising considering how amazing it is and really shows just why everyone is throwing out massive Renaissance waves.
 
I'd like to give it a few years and see where all the new members leave us. Right now I don't even know where I'd want to put such a yard.

2 sectors behind the borderzone, wherever that is at that point in time.

Request development of Utopia Planitia, 28pp, 1 year
Request development of Utopia Planitia, 28pp, 1 year

Is it confirmed that UP berths have no increasing costs?

It depends on how much is spent on other ships (Excelsiors, Renaissances, Centaurs, Keplers).

Is anyone pushing for Centaur production?

I wouldn't even support Excelsior production at this point.

3mt berths are tied up with Ambassadors, 1mt berths are busy with Rennies/Kepler/Aux and when they finish those waves there's a new frigate and hopefully enough 2mt berths for heavy cruiser production.

On top of all that there are refits for Ambassadors, Excelsiors, Centaurs, Mirandas and possibly the Oberth that need to be snuck into the plan.
 
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I think it is the SBZ that borders a lot of sectors so I would want an Ambassador there since it has the potential to cover a lot of events.

Also I am on board for additional Centaur-A as they make for great support ships and solid responder for low crew cost
 
Is anyone pushing for Centaur production?

I wouldn't even support Excelsior production at this point.

The ship build spread sheet has the following starting at the time of writing (remember everything starting in 2319 will up for vote in late 2318 and so on, so none of this is fixed yet)
2319: 1 Excelsior-A, 2 Excelsior-A Refits, 6 Renaissance, 1 Constellation-A Refit, 2 Centaur-A
2320: 2 Excelsior-A Refits, 2 Centaur-A (Most of the berths are filled with production, those that finish that year are mostly left empty to stock up on resources for Ambassador wave is 2321 and Kepler wave in 2322
2321: 5 Ambassadors, 2 Excelsior-A Refits, 2 Renaissance, Tentative start year for new Frigate prototype
2322: 3 Excelsior-A Refits, 10 Keplers

So in the next 4 game years after the current -
The first Ambassador wave of 5 ships starts building
One (last?) Excelsior-A build.
9 Excelsiors moved through the upgrade process. (It lists one more for 2323, and then, if we get it back, Stargazer will need a complete refit, whenever that is)
8 Renaissance
1 Constellation-A refit (I'm not sure if that is the last one or not)
10 Keplers in the first wave of that class
1 New Frigate Prototype
4 Centaur-A (because we are short on crew, but not resources at the time)
 
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So if we get an academy expansion this Snakepit +New Member, those two 2320 Centaurs become 2 more Rennies?

We could try this refit?
It is better than Miranda in scouting phase.





T3 Onboard Industry is missing but it will make up the difference to make D5.

Also possible with New Orleans nacelles but we won't have those by 2318 research turn. I think replacing the Nav Deflector is cheaper than replacing the nacelles anyway.

e: It occurs that swapping to higher tier [SR-] parts on the warp core may be a net refund of SR depending on the refund rate. We've presumed 1/2 refund in the past.
 
So if we get an academy expansion this Snakepit +New Member, those two 2320 Centaurs become 2 more Rennies?
… you know, with how cheep tech academy expansions are, I wonder if using such would allow for us to make a glut of Kepler class vessels or maybe, if we gain enough of an excess of personal in an area, that it would allow us to form research teams without making requests of the council?
 
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Captain's Log - 2318.Q1.M2
Captain's Log, USS Voshov, Stardate 26631.3 - Captain Demora Sulu

An election date for the Sydraxians is rapidly approaching, and there is much work to do. Our role is consultation and support, rather than an operational one.

Of course, part of this job does mean helping the nascent security infrastructure find out who is still answering to outside forces. To our frustration, these outside forces are not the Cardassians now, but the Tal Shiar. The Greens have experienced a considerable resurgence, and we strongly suspect that the Tal Shiar recently delivered shipments of aid to their faction a fortnight ago. Cheron is sitting just outside the border, and Starfleet Intelligence is providing us with support, but as we discovered in Licori space, a Tal Shiar press is a powerful thing. We are doing our best to keep their involvement honest and open, and fighting any attempts at blackmail, intimidation, or foul play.

It would be utter hypocrisy to insist they are not allowed to provide aid when we are here as well, but they will play by the rules, or they will not play.

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Captain's Log, USS Tarrak, Stardate 26631.8 - Captain Larai Leaniss

Starfleet has ordered the Tarrak to start patrolling the fringe of Sydraxian space. They suspect Romulan activity in the area, and want to see if we can slow it down.

Of course, from my own experience with the Romulans, I very much doubt we'll find anything. Cloak lingers in the mind, but the dozens of Yrillian craft that frequent this space provides a much more appropriate stealth system.

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Captain's Log, USS Reason, Stadrate 26632.3

A geographical anomaly that the Indorians have been trying to puzzle out in the Icustae system, one of the flanks of Lapycorias, has finally revealed its secrets. An intense mix of electromagnetic field strength from a rapidly spinning iron core, plus strong radiation from charged particles in the atmosphere, rendered sensor readings of one moon indecipherable. Using new mineral sciences techniques, we were able to filter out the noise and identify thick verterium veins.

[Gain +30br]

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Captain's Log, USS Valiant, Stardate 26632.7

We have met with Indorian Congressional leaders, and admirals of the Congressional Fleet, to discuss Starfleet's interests in strengthening the preparation of our defence on this front. Our news was overall quite well received. Orion progress was encouraging to the Indorians, as they certainly feel more comfortable with a full Federation member at their backs. Also our renewed focus on holding any battle line at Lapycorias, and limiting Indoria's exposure to flanking attacks, is also reassuring to them. Taken together, it has made them much more receptive to carrying out our suggestions for strengthening their positions.

[Gain +5pp, Indoria takes on message]

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Captain's Log, USS Hood, Stardate 26632.9

We have sent out an urgent request for additional support. The Caldonian minor colony of Pirid is like an antimatter pod with failing EM fields right now. We are getting to the bottom of it, but we definitely need additional support.

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Captain's Log, USS Thirishar, Stardate 26633.3

We arrived in the Pirid system just behind the Hawking to link up with the Hood, supporting their work here. Typhoon and Dynamo have patrol duties for the Klingon Border Zone right now, and the Stalwart is present at Caldonia proper to work with the leadership there. The situation on the ground is tense, with some demonstrations that local authorities are working hard to keep peaceful. Security detachments are deploying to help assist the local authorities, but we are still looking into the deeper causes. A number of scientists have been jailed by the colonial authorities under the Caldonian Directorate's protocols for pseudoscience. Local community leaders are calling it a return to the old days and a breach of the Lomay II accords.

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Captain's Log, USS Pleezirra, Stardate 26633.7

A sprint to deliver critical supplies to a series of listening posts and research stations became necessary after the cargo ship that should have delivered them experienced a hull breach. The Calypso delivered the supplies to us, and we made a high-warp sprint after it became clear that the supplies had spoiled due to vacuum exposure. Thankfully no lives were lost and all stations remained in operation.

Vulcan High Command recovered the cargo ship and it will be repaired soon.

[Gain +5pp]

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Captain's Log, T'Mir, Stardate 26634.2

After receiving a distress call from an Ashidi freighter, we arrived and rendered aid, keeping the situation calm before the arrival of the Salnas shortly thereafter. The SS Shadat is among the first of the new trade vessels delivering to Indoria, but they experienced a mutiny. The Ashidi culture tends towards deep suspicions, especially to new forces - we have apparently done very well to get past this initial suspicion so quickly. Unlike in other mutinies, the crew didn't have demands so much as an unreasonable level of paranoia about the Federation. After inviting the ringleaders aboard to discuss, and returning them "uneaten", to borrow from what one of them said, they have apologised to the ship's master and agreed to continue the voyage and accept whatever punishment may lie at the end.

[Gain +10pp, +10 with Ashidi]

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Captain's Log, USS Hawking, Stardate 26634.7

Took some clever approaches and one of my communications officers apparently having the mind of a thief, but we were able to bring a peaceful resolution to the Pirid situation. Turns out the Colonial Director was corrupt up to his eyeballs, and was jailing the scientists in order to discredit work which could have struck down one of his own published theories on subspace field oscillations. His co-conspirators were using a sneaky system of piggy-backed carrier waves to coordinate across the planet, with some extra bells and whistles attached, but we spotted it and broke the encryption. The old Director is now under arrest and a new Director appointed from among the community leaders.

[Gain +15pp, +25 with Caldonia]

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Captain's Log, USS Tarrak, Stardate 26635.3

The space between Yrillian and Sydraxian space is thick enough with traffic that we are kept busy bouncing from ship to ship checking for the Tal Shiar. We did have one small windfall, however, when we discovered duranium deposits.

In one of the more unusual moves we've undertaken, we've made an arrangement with an Yrillian Carryall to haul duranium ores from an uninhabited system core and tailward of Sydraxian space. Not a large deposit by any means, it is still worth the effort. The Yrillian workgang was tricky to deal with, however you don't serve in the Amarkian Senate without learning some tricks!

[Gain +25br, +5 (five) with the the Yrillians]

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Captain's Log, USS Voshov, Stardate 26636.7

The Concerned Citizens are not running for office as a unified ticket, but rather beginning to disperse and join other tickets. Suffrage has been widely expanded, though still not universal. It is a good start though, and we should encourage them down this path. Our comrade Nakra Klikuchki is running for the expanded First Voice office on an independent ticket, and is widely expected to win that election.

I mean the man has a tenor range that beggars belief, that counts for a lot in a Sydraxian election.

During this period we have defanged a Tal Shiar plot that would have spoiled the expansion of suffrage as well as removing a number of potentially Federation or Cardassian friendly politicians, and a few other subversive activities. Myself and my first officer both played a role here, but I must give the bulk of the credit to Lieutenant-Commander Wycombe, who has come a long way since his brush with death by the Sdranach.

[Gain +15pp, Sydraxian elections will go ahead successfully]

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During this period we have defanged a Tal Shiar plot that would have spoiled the expansion of suffrage as well as removing a number of potentially Federation or Cardassian friendly politicians, and a few other subversive activities. Myself and my first officer both played a role here, but I must give the bulk of the credit to Lieutenant-Commander Wycombe, who has come a long way since his brush with death by the Sdranach.

[Gain +15pp, Sydraxian elections will go ahead successfully]
Better step up your game next time Romulans :cool:

Stupid Federation-kun and their honesty.
I-It's not like I love root beer or anything, baka! :D
 
50pp and 55br Now that's what I like to hear.

Nice job, guys! We even kept the Tal Shiar honest!
Keeping the Tal Shiar honest. Now there is something I never thought I would read in any story anywhere. :D

Great quarter... is it possible to double expand the academy? Or open a new one elsewhere?

IF it becomes an option I will put it on my list. I have also changed my mind about the HBZ and am going to vote for it as well.:oops:

Stupid Federation-kun and their honesty.
Stupid Tal Shiar and there penchant for trying to be sneaky and failing. :whistle:
 
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