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OneirosTheWriter said:
I don't think it's a momentous enough vote to break out like that, and I'm fine to just leave it with whatever specific plan nets enough.

With the Egillah, anybody shy of the current Fed tech base, or well short of industry/berth space - that is, the Tauni, Laio, the Ashidi (don't pick the Ashidi, the KP will not react well), the Betazoids, Caldonians.
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Wait, what do the Ked Peddah have against the Ashidi? They're so far apart it's unsure that any KP has ever met an Ashidi.
 
Briefvoice said:
Wait, what do the Ked Peddah have against the Ashidi? They're so far apart it's unsure that any KP has ever met an Ashidi.
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They know enough about the Ashidi situation politically that they will probably think that is a ridiculously imprudent choice, especially if we intend to ask them to contribute to fighting Cardassians at some point.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
To be fair though, if you did that, you would pretty much be 100% guaranteed that your choice wouldn't actually happen but something kind of like it might. I prefer a set of two subvotes:
[][KP] Send battleship to <write-in>
[][KP] Send second battleship to <write-in>
[][KP] Send third battleship to <write-in>
[][KP] Send fourth battleship to <write-in>

[][KP#] Send <write-in number> battleships

That way the plurality on the # vote will be sent, the rest scrapped, and the top <number> of locations (or second locations) will be chosen.
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My premise is that if, for example, the votes total something like:

25 for "battleship to Tauni"
18 for "battleship to Indorians"
16 for "second battleship to the Tauni"
14 for "scrap a battleship"
13 for "battleship to Risans"
12 for "scrap a second battleship..."

Well, you send two battleships to the Tauni (because a lot of people wanted that) and one to the Indorians (ditto) ... and you scrap the fourth, because scrapping was a more popular fate than anything else anyone wanted to do with it. A separate KP# vote isn't a bad idea as such, but it isn't required.

BUT, that's all unnecessary, because I see nothing wrong with how we count it right now. This quest has always run on the plurality and the votes are clearly different enough that they ought to be split.
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By the same argument we should do the "Well, They Try" REPORT votes by plan- which is a terrible idea, because it forces people to vote tactically rather than just listing their preferences.

Plan votes are necessary in situations where all the parts of the plan are interrelated. Say, in "what is our character going to do next" votes for quests, where different parts of the character's actions all form an interlocking scheme that is greater than the sum of its parts.

In other situations, they contribute very little and have a high potential for allowing random chance or circumstances to thwart things a majority of voters want to see happen. Especially in cases like this, where large numbers of people are making up their own plan votes with little or no chance of success, rather than picking a plan close enough to what they wanted and supporting it.

Since the fate of each individual battleship is independent of the fate of all the others, there's no reason to force people to vote by plans. It's not even 'simpler,' in any meaningful sense. The REPORT votes are not hard to understand, not hard to tally, and not harder to set up than they would be if we had plan voting.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
The vote is too complicated and the parts of it interact to form an overall picture in ways that aren't reflected well in the current vote system.
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Could you provide a specific example? By and large we never have more than two or at most three of our many intelligence reports on any given interrelated set of subjects. And frankly, I like it that way, because otherwise we'd just get six reports on the Problem of the Year while being entirely ignorant of what was going on elsewhere on our borders. Splitting our reports to cover several different areas each year gives us less depth but more breadth, and it averages out over the long run as long as someone's remembering to track "wow, we haven't gotten a report on X in a long time."

We also have to tactically vote around the bottom choices literally every vote. Currently it feels like voting for the Snakepit except if we only took options up until the budget was filled.
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So... it would be better to do a plan vote because doing it the way we now do it causes the same problem we'd have with a plan vote? Because in plan votes we end up voting tactically anyway, unless there's a massive bandwagon in favor of one plan or another. And if there isn't a massive bandwagon, we nearly always risk outcomes like a 40-30-30 vote split, in which it's very easy to end up with the majority being frustrated in their wishes because they didn't unite behind a single plan.

Why is it better to have a bandwagon voting for the first plan to list everyone's favorite four REPORT options, that gets enough momentum to squash competing plans by default, than to have everyone concur on the top four items and argue over the fifth and sixth?
 
chriswriter90 said:
We may have too many affiliates... Who are the Ashidi and what about them hits the KP's berserk button?
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The Ashidi are a secretive species whose "hat" seems to be cautious paranoia, although not to the comical levels of the Lecarre. They're located slightly rimward of the Seyek.

We affiliated them recently, having beaten out the Ashalla Pact to more favorable trade deals. I suspect the KP objections would be on the prudence of giving a battleship out to someone we barely know and who are inclined towards being secretive.
 
(Joking)

I know how to bribe the Dawair to join us - give them a battleship! I'm sure the KP won't mind us handing one over to a member of rival pact ;)
 
[X][KP] Split the four ships up - (8pp) Indoria (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Laio
[X][PRIORITY] Andor Mid-Term: Interest in the GBZ

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Goat said:
I know how to bribe the Dawair to join us - give them a battleship! I'm sure the KP won't mind us handing one over to a member of rival pact ;)
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But - wouldn't our first general service Ambassador prototype be a better bribe?
 
Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 2495 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 62361-62522]
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Task: MEDICAL
[x][MEDICAL] This is not the time (will be added to future Snakepits)
No. of Votes: 21
pheonix89
Aeondrac
Alastor Mobius Toth
aledeth
AlphaDelta
Briefvoice
Chaos Blade
charysa
Forgothrax
Goat
JesseJ
LaggPlaguedDuke
Nervos Belli
NHO
Night
Nix
pbluekan
Peter87
Simon_Jester
Ukrainian Ranger
Void Stalker
[x][MEDICAL] Make the arrangements (30pp)
No. of Votes: 15
UbeOne
Chacmon
cokerpilot
Derek58
fitzgerald
Gingganz
HearthBorn
Joshrand1982
Katsuragi
kyuden
Random Member
Spartan492
SyntheticTrevor
The Sandman
Theunderbolt
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: ORION
[X][ORION] Arrange for promising Orion officers to spend a year attending Starfleet Academy
No. of Votes: 32
Derek58
Aeondrac
Alastor Mobius Toth
aledeth
AlphaDelta
Briefvoice
Chacmon
Chaos Blade
charysa
cokerpilot
fitzgerald
Forgothrax
Gingganz
Goat
JesseJ
Joshrand1982
kyuden
LaggPlaguedDuke
Nervos Belli
NHO
Night
Nix
nocarename
pbluekan
Peter87
Random Member
Redhead222
Simon_Jester
Spartan492
The Sandman
Ukrainian Ranger
Void Stalker
[x][ORION] Exchange executive officers - two Commanders will be picked to exchange with the Orions
No. of Votes: 4
UbeOne
HearthBorn
SyntheticTrevor
Theunderbolt
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: BEE
[x][BEE] Push (8pp)
No. of Votes: 35
UbeOne
Aeondrac
Alastor Mobius Toth
aledeth
AlphaDelta
Briefvoice
Chacmon
Chaos Blade
charysa
cokerpilot
Derek58
fitzgerald
Forgothrax
Gingganz
Goat
HearthBorn
JesseJ
Joshrand1982
kyuden
LaggPlaguedDuke
Nervos Belli
NHO
Night
nocarename
pbluekan
Peter87
pheonix89
Random Member
Redhead222
Simon_Jester
Spartan492
SyntheticTrevor
The Sandman
Theunderbolt
Void Stalker
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: INDORREP
[x][INDORREP] Support the Indorians (15pp)
No. of Votes: 32
UbeOne
Aeondrac
Alastor Mobius Toth
aledeth
AlphaDelta
Briefvoice
Chacmon
Chaos Blade
charysa
cokerpilot
Derek58
fitzgerald
Forgothrax
Gingganz
Goat
JesseJ
Joshrand1982
kyuden
LaggPlaguedDuke
Nervos Belli
NHO
Night
nocarename
Peter87
pheonix89
Random Member
Redhead222
Simon_Jester
Spartan492
SyntheticTrevor
Theunderbolt
Void Stalker
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: INDORFIT
[x][INDORFIT] Refit the Frigates
No. of Votes: 32
UbeOne
Aeondrac
Alastor Mobius Toth
aledeth
AlphaDelta
Briefvoice
Chacmon
Chaos Blade
charysa
cokerpilot
fitzgerald
Forgothrax
Gingganz
Goat
JesseJ
Joshrand1982
kyuden
LaggPlaguedDuke
Nervos Belli
NHO
Night
Nix
nocarename
Peter87
pheonix89
Random Member
Redhead222
Simon_Jester
Spartan492
SyntheticTrevor
Theunderbolt
Void Stalker
[X][INDORFIT] Refit the Cruisers
No. of Votes: 1
Derek58
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: PRIORITY
[X][PRIORITY] Human Interest in the GBZ
No. of Votes: 14
pheonix89
Briefvoice
Chacmon
Chaos Blade
cokerpilot
Goat
HearthBorn
JesseJ
Joshrand1982
kyuden
Nix
pbluekan
The Sandman
Void Stalker
[X][PRIORITY] Andor Mid-Term: Interest in the GBZ
No. of Votes: 12
Gingganz
Aeondrac
aledeth
charysa
fitzgerald
Forgothrax
lbmaian
MTB
nocarename
Peter87
Simon_Jester
SynchronizedWritersBlock
[X][PRIORITY] Human Mid-term Interest in the GBZ
No. of Votes: 3
AlphaDelta
Nervos Belli
Night
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: KP
[X][KP] Split the four ships up - (8pp) Indoria (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Laio
No. of Votes: 12
Derek58
aledeth
charysa
Goat
lbmaian
MTB
NHO
nocarename
pbluekan
Simon_Jester
SynchronizedWritersBlock
Vebyast
[X][KP] Split the four ships up - (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Laio
No. of Votes: 9
Briefvoice
Aeondrac
AlphaDelta
Chaos Blade
Nervos Belli
Night
Peter87
Random Member
Void Stalker
[X][KP] Split the four ships up - (8pp) Indoria (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Laio (8pp) Risa
No. of Votes: 6
Joshrand1982
fitzgerald
Forgothrax
Gingganz
LaggPlaguedDuke
Ukrainian Ranger
[X][KP] Split the four ships up (16 pp) - Tauni, Laio
No. of Votes: 2
Chacmon
Nix
[X][KP] One ship to be transferred to Laio, one to the Indorians and one ship to Tauni (24 pp)
No. of Votes: 1
pheonix89
[X][KP] Split the four ships up - (8pp) Indoria (8pp) Indoria (8pp) Laio (8pp) Risa.
No. of Votes: 1
HearthBorn
[X][KP] Split the four ships up - (8pp) Indoria (8pp) Indoria (8pp) Seyek (8pp) Seyek
No. of Votes: 1
The Sandman
[X][KP] Split the four ships up - (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Seyek (8pp) Laio (8pp) Indoria
No. of Votes: 1
JesseJ
Total No. of Voters: 42
 
Out of curiosity, why Double Tauni instead of one BB each to Tauni, Indoria, Laio, and Yan-Ros

[][KP] Split the four ships up - (8pp) Indoria (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Yan-Ros (8pp) Laio

[X][KP] Split the four ships up - (8pp) Indoria (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Laio

[X][MEDICAL] Make the arrangements (30pp)
[X][ORION] Arrange for promising Orion officers to spend a year attending Starfleet Academy
[X][BEE] Push (8pp)
[X][INDORREP] Support the Indorians (15pp)
[X][INDORFIT] Refit the Frigates
[X][PRIORITY] Human Interest in the GBZ
 
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The Yan-Ros don't seem to operate a navy at all. I don't really see what they could possibly do with it. They have no space-borne naval tradition at all. Like, they'd have 0/0/0 trained crew, and no academy to train the crew with. And that's just the very first problem.
 
chriswriter90 said:
Out of curiosity, why Double Tauni instead of one BB each to Tauni, Indoria, Laio, and Yan-Ros
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Yan-Ros don't seem to want a navy. They've had plenty of opportunity to build one, but they seem quite satisfied with their arrangement with the Honiani providing naval protection, while they're free to do the fun stuff (in the Yan-Ros mindset).
 
Can we give all 4 battleships to the Vulcans, just for the lols?

[X][PRIORITY] Human Interest in the GBZ
[X][KP] Split the four ships up - (8pp) Indoria (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Laio (8pp) Risa
 
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Can I just say the Ked Paddah are officially awesome for allowing us to trade away these wonders of technology. Even a last-generation capital ship like this is a massive investment, a statement to their technology, and just scrapping them would have netted them something in the realm of 420br, 360sr, enough to build a two modern ships.

Not to mention, having a 5/5/5/5/5/5 statline is pretty neat. They've just as good sensors, diplomatic suites, and good-looking lines as the Excelsior. It's almost an insult to call them battleships, as the KP obviously understand the use for such a ship in peacetime, and the Excelsior with bigger weapons is almost more of a battleship.
 
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SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Can I just say the Ked Paddah are officially awesome for allowing us to trade away these wonders of technology. Even a last-generation capital ship like this is a massive investment, a statement to their technology, and just scrapping them would have netted them something in the realm of 400br, 250sr, enough to build a two modern ships.

Not to mention, having a 5/5/5/5/5/5 statline is pretty neat. They've just as good sensors, diplomatic suites, and good-looking lines as the Excelsior. It's almost an insult to call them battleships, as the KP obviously understand the use for such a ship in peacetime, and the Excelsior with bigger weapons is almost more of a battleship.
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So - a worthy addition to the Federation. :)
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Can I just say the Ked Paddah are officially awesome for allowing us to trade away these wonders of technology. Even a last-generation capital ship like this is a massive investment, a statement to their technology, and just scrapping them would have netted them something in the realm of 400br, 250sr, enough to build a two modern ships.

Not to mention, having a 5/5/5/5/5/5 statline is pretty neat. They've just as good sensors, diplomatic suites, and good-looking lines as the Excelsior. It's almost an insult to call them battleships, as the KP obviously understand the use for such a ship in peacetime, and the Excelsior with bigger weapons is almost more of a battleship.
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They are officially Bro-Tier.
 
[X][KP] Split the four ships up - (8pp) Indoria (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Tauni (8pp) Laio (8pp)
[X][PRIORITY] Andor Mid-Term: Interest in the GBZ
[X][MEDICAL] Make the arrangements (30pp)
[X][ORION] Arrange for promising Orion officers to spend a year attending Starfleet Academy
[X][BEE] Push (8pp)
[X][INDORREP] Support the Indorians (15pp)
[X][INDORFIT] Refit the Frigates

I think we should get started arranging the medical infrastructure as soon as possible.

I'm not entirely convinced that the Ked Paddah ships are economical investments, but they will be a big boost if things with the Cardassians or Horizon boil over faster than I'm expecting.

fasquardon
 
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