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Hm. Can we afford to send a couple of Oberths to the GBZ? Since apparently we need scoutships of some kind.
 
Winged One said:
Hm. Can we afford to send a couple of Oberths to the GBZ? Since apparently we need scoutships of some kind.
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As I already said Oberths wouldn't be any help on balance due to their low D. (At least unless we are attacking minefields). Centaur-As would be very helpful (so would be Constellation-As assuming they would actually be used as scouts, which seems likely but we don't know for certain), but we also need them for events . If we could magically trade 3 of the Miranda-As in the GBZ for 2 Centaur-As without any impact elsewhere that would probably improve our position there.
 
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Nix said:
I am very confident it will be allowed if we vote for it (largely based on the experience of having asked for reasonable things like this many times before and it almost always ending up being allowed, even some things that were significantly less reasonable). Oneiros wasn't going to allow building modules separately due to lacking the sheet infrastructure, but we actually don't need that for the suggestion. As I pointed out before we can treat it as identical to a 1 quarter refit in every way and existing sheet infrastructure should work fine.
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I have a suggestion for a sheet hack: use suffixes to indicate the presence of a module or lack thereof.
 
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You have to look at the overall objectives here. We've been letting the Cardassians alone because they've been leaving us alone, and good behavior needs to be reinforced. This battle was a rebuke against them trying to sneak forces into Sydraxian space. Okay.

But in general, it's really not in our best interest to deliberately heat up the Gabriel Border Zone. The Cardassians have lots more Jalduns they can send if they need to send them. Going out and attacking mining colonies and shipyards would be a big escalation to might turn the whole zone 'hot'.
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If they had the Jalduns to send as easily as that, they would have reinforced their "rescue mission" to the Sydraxians a lot more heavily. Their good behavior is linked more to their lack of cargo bottoms and inability to expand than anything else. A strike that destroys infrastructure and still more of their fleet will force them to either not meet their other needs just to get their fleet up to the level necessary to oppose us, or they'll have to just take it.
 
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The Apiata Stinger and the advanced Swarmer that the Caitians will probably deploy are better at the scouting -> skirmishing role than the Miranda-A, too. S2 D4 and S3 D3 respectively.
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The Stinger is an outrageously good skirmisher (as in combatant that is deployed with the skirmish line and fights in the skirmish and vanguard phases). High D, high C, probably very high evasion, enough shields to be reasonably sure to get through without hull damage (crits and burn-through are always a risk but other than that).
Leila Hann said:
The miranda-A works fine for now. Its not a good scoutship, but its better than what the Cardassians seem to be using.
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It's the same, we just had slightly more luck this battle.
 
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The Stinger is an outrageously good skirmisher (as in combatant that is deployed with the skirmish line and fights in the skirmish and vanguard phases). High D, high C, probably very high evasion, enough shields to be reasonably sure to get through without hull damage (crits and burn-through are always a risk but other than that).
It's the same, we just got slightly more luck this battle.
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Takaaki Destroyer has S1 and D2, if I'm not mistaken. The Mir-A is slightly better in the scout role.
 
Briefvoice said:
You have to look at the overall objectives here. We've been letting the Cardassians alone because they've been leaving us alone, and good behavior needs to be reinforced. This battle was a rebuke against them trying to sneak forces into Sydraxian space. Okay.
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This was a force that the current Cardassian-hostile government of the Sydraxians could have defeated. I don't see them risking that disaster. At least the Federation is a roughly peer power with a long history of enmity. Getting their ships blown up or captured by a former affiliate is exactly the sort of thing Cardassia doesn't need. Particularly with another formerly hostile affiliate like the Konen.
 
It's possible this whole thing could be an elaborate ruse to gather intelligence on Starfleet's combat capabilities and their forces inside the GBZ. After we utterly crushed the Sydraxians in months the Cardassians when quite on us and we haven't had anything close to the open warfare that is suppose to be taking place in the GBZ.

I suspect we spooked some important people back at High Command and they decided to focus on consolidating their gains ASAP to avoid getting pushed out of the GBZ like the Sydraxians. Now however they've finished their consolidation and want to start pushing again. Except the Federation just won a war that everyone, even their ancient enemies the Romulans and Klingons, expected would last years in just a handful of months.

That's twice now the Federation has been shown to be a far more dangerous foe then anyone thought. So instead of risking getting crushed the Cardassians want to know what they are up against. The collapse of the Sydraxian government provides the perfect cover for this. They know we'd never allow them to send forces across the GBZ to regain control; we just escaped their pincer attack, allowing them to restore it would be stupid.

So they make a big fuss about doing exactly that. They send a force out to "aid the Sydraxians" and use that to test Starfleet. If they succeed it shows they can handle Starfleet and restores the Sydraxians as their allies. If they fail then the Federation would be satisfied knowing they "stopped" the Cardassians plans and so not try and push them out of the GBZ.
 
An observation: Everyone here seems to assume that the recent battle was a Cardassian intervention force headed for Sydraxia being intercepted and driven off.

It seems to me, however, that more likely it was T'Lorel following through on her stated intentions:
OneirosTheWriter said:
We are left with a somewhat classical defender's dilemma, in which we either spread out to ensure that they are not by-passing our positions and run the risk of being defeated in detail, or consolidate and run the risk of being by-passed. Therefore, I intend to attack.
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Driven by Apathy said:
An observation: Everyone here seems to assume that the recent battle was a Cardassian intervention force headed for Sydraxia being intercepted and driven off.

It seems to me, however, that more likely it was T'Lorel following through on her stated intentions:
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I interpreted it as such as well. Certainly explains why they didn't have a scoutship.

If this was T'Lorel making a preemptive strike, then this battle was probably near a Cardassian location of interest. Wonder if there was a mining facility or something that they were guarding. If so, we probably destroyed it. Call it a bonus for us.
 
Driven by Apathy said:
An observation: Everyone here seems to assume that the recent battle was a Cardassian intervention force headed for Sydraxia being intercepted and driven off.

It seems to me, however, that more likely it was T'Lorel following through on her stated intentions:
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An excellent point. Our force outnumbered and outgunned theirs because T'Lorel chose to attack at a place and time where the Federation could muster a greater concentration of force. Most logical.
 
Well, except for the part where she didn't enter a stable orbit before opening fire?

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It bears remembering that T'Lorel is the commander who won the Battle of Gammon about a year ago. And the Cardassians may very well know that. They may be more directly frightened of Nash than they are of T'Lorel, due to Nash's exploits ten years ago. But they might actually be more worried overall about what T'Lorel can do to them in large-scale battle, given that she's the closest thing the Federation has to a siege expert.
 
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Hmmmm.... the T'Lorel Doctrine...

So if the Tarkin Doctrine is Rule/Victory through Fear, the the T'Lorel Doctrine is Victory through Awe? Gathering and using concentrations and displays of force in exactly the right way to overawe and overwhelm the opponent.

Orbital strikes that are like an unstoppable, undefendable, unescapable hand of god. Or a sudden strike strike using a concentration of force that rocks the opponent back and mentally unbalances them from the word go.

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Eh, not perfect, but something to Keep in mind.
 
Steven Kodaly said:
Victory through precision.

Although she'd get along famously with Thrawn. "The new doctrine is efficiency."
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I feel like T'Lorel might admire Thrawn's work ethic but the instant he was like "We will draw them out by not just killing the men, but the women and children also," or "Test this speederbike for me," and similar malarky she'd be like "T'Lorel to Renaissance, orbital strike on my position. I don't care I'm in the target zone."

It's sort of a classic "they'd get along pretty well right up to a point, and then they'd be mortal enemies."
 
Is damage supposed to be halved in the Skirmish phase? Because according to my math Shields are only taking half hitpower there.
 
T'Lorel is a Space Marine. Kill the command center from orbit and attack in the confusion, winning the battle that will win the war.
 
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